Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Craig
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:36:10 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > What would the specs of the diodes need to be to pass up to 25 amps@ > up to 120 V? Each rated for 25 Amp or more? > > It just seemed easier to buy a rectifier than to build one. But to > get 25 amp, I may need to bui

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
lobbyists who influence the politicians too. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state >> wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on >> anyone who buys a

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
So what are they trying to do here? "Encourage" MA residents to buy vehicles within MA? On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > Michael Canfield writes: > > > MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to > > impound cars over it. > > OK this seems like to

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Fmiser
> Dieselhead wrote: > What would the specs of the diodes need to be to pass up to 25 > amps@ up to 120 V? Each rated for 25 Amp or more? Each diode carries the full current, but only half the time. So if it is going to have 25 A continuous through it, I would look for a 30-35 A diode rated for

Re: [MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Q can tell you in the mornin' Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield writes: > MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to > impound cars over it. OK this seems like too much to believe so I did 2 minutes of research (so I may be wrong, but what I found at least sounds believable): "Massachusetts does not recognize ou

[MBZ] Rear sub frame mount in 107 SL

2012-04-08 Thread clay monroe
Would these be the same thing as those used in the w116? Sure look the same. I know the 107 is a blend of 114 and 116 parts, but are the rubber bits completely different? Bound to be the same thing, just more special part number for when you do show car instead of road car. This matters not,

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
I think the interior is actually burgundy. The burgundy rarely looks good in pictures, but is nice when you can see and touch it. It is an unusual combination, but I kinda like it. Not something I would order, but not bad like the photos look. I bet burgundy 107 visors don't turn up on fleab

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
What would the specs of the diodes need to be to pass up to 25 amps@ up to 120 V? Each rated for 25 Amp or more? It just seemed easier to buy a rectifier than to build one. But to get 25 amp, I may need to build. Thanks Philip and Craig for helping me out with this demo unit. You can b

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Canfield
MA will not recognize out of state temp tags and have been known to impound cars over it. Mike On Apr 8, 2012 11:34 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes: > > > Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed > > to stop such BS. But our legisl

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to drive relatively modern cars but imposes an extra tax on anyone who buys a newer car. Our system does have this in a sense where the tax payable when you register a car is based on value but annual renewa

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Bingo! Brian gets a prize! Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun, they're probably going make it hard to drive :-) Or if it is a "blue state" they most likely make it hard to drive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread clay monroe
If you need it, I would say it is worth it. Standard mileage for 17 year old car. Will be needing work, but, then you know that. My 95 e300D is valued at $5k with same miles. clay On Apr 8, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Is this a good deal? > > http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ctd

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Good idea, but it might take some of the "fun" out of the demo! If it were me, I would wire a high value resistor across the capacitor to dissipate the change so that after 10 or 15 minutes the "hairy" is gone from your BHC. -- Philip ___ http://www.ok

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
> Dieselhead wrote: I found 50 Amp bridge rectifiers. I figured I could use 2 in parallel to be able to pass 50 to 70 amps. Nope. Not unless you have two transformers. Each diode will have a _slightly_ different turn-on voltage, so the one that's a touch lower will hog all the current an

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this sporty tractor!

2012-04-08 Thread OK Don
Nope - not the same. BTDT - a barely running M117 does NOT sounds like the well oiled clockwork machinery that an OM 603 has. And then there's the sweet exhaust smell vs. the astringent stink of an M engine (I have owned and driven both types). However, this is a religious topic, not a rational one

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread G Mann
Here in Arizona, you can buy the temp registration online for $2.00, good for 3 days. If you want/need longer there is a 45 day temp registration for about $25.00 that you have to go to DMV and ask for. They are usually used for out of state cars that need a little delay in getting title sorted out

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
That is just so weird, sure over here getting a temporary registration for an un-registered car is a bit more complicated than buying a registered car but quite do able with a visit to the car rego place. Why would a state want to miss out on a few dollars (temp rego is relatively expensive) and

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this sporty tractor!

2012-04-08 Thread Fred Moir
I weren't serious, Geez. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 4/8/2012 8:46 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: I don't see the reasoning in that idea, the M104 with electronic fuel injection is a relatively frugal and reliable engine. Taking that out and putting in a OM6XX will cost a fair few dollars,

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this sporty tractor!

2012-04-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
There are several ways to achieve this on an otto motor, disconnecting a couple of spark plugs/injectors, loosening a few rockers or even make a recording of Diesel engine noises for the mp player. I reckon the disconnecting of the injectors is the way to go, because it will also give you that D

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS rip off

2012-04-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Sounds like a rip off to me, unless the remainder of the rego is transferable to the new owner. How do they get away with it? Wonder how much money they make out of duplicate registrations on vehicles? Also the system of rego based on value is stupid, insofar that the state wants people to dri

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this sporty tractor!

2012-04-08 Thread OK Don
It's not that it's practical or reasonable, some of us just need to hear that clatta clatta when we start an engine. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote: > I don't see the reasoning in that idea, the M104 with electronic fuel > injection is a relatively frugal and reliable engine.

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this sporty tractor!

2012-04-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay
I don't see the reasoning in that idea, the M104 with electronic fuel injection is a relatively frugal and reliable engine. Taking that out and putting in a OM6XX will cost a fair few dollars, decrease performance, devalue the car and gain a few liters/100ks. The only way I could see this work is

Re: [MBZ] Water pump leak

2012-04-08 Thread Walt Zarnoch
Kroil and wait... Walt, who's snapped off a few fan bolts... On Apr 8, 2012 12:31 PM, "Michael Canfield" wrote: > That is what I thought. Water pump is off parts car. Having trouble w/ > over tight fan bolts! > > Mike > On Apr 8, 2012 11:53 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > > > Michael Canfield wr

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Craig
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 12:47:27 -0500 Fmiser wrote: > If it were me, I would wire a high value resistor across the > capacitor to dissipate the change so that after 10 or 15 minutes > the "hairy" is gone from your BHC. This is a good idea. Each capacitor will hold about 48 Joules of energy when the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Craig
On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 08:38:36 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry! It is 450V rated That's quite enough. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Max
Rich Thomas wrote: >http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2945616780.html > > Not a bad price, too bad the white whale -er, wagon is still stuck in the garage. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.co

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
Another way to think about it - if they make it hard to carry a gun, they're probably going make it hard to drive :-) On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Brian Toscano wrote: > You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. > But the Appalachian mountains end in North Ge

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
You'd probably need to consider the panhandle West and the peninsula East. But the Appalachian mountains end in North Georgia and Northern Alabama. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > t'other side. > > > Florida is South of the mountains. >> >> >> On Sat,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Fmiser
> Dieselhead wrote: > I found 50 Amp bridge rectifiers. I figured I could use 2 in > parallel to be able to pass 50 to 70 amps. Nope. Not unless you have two transformers. Each diode will have a _slightly_ different turn-on voltage, so the one that's a touch lower will hog all the current and

Re: [MBZ] Reasonable SD?

2012-04-08 Thread WILTON
Seats, interior, etc., look like mine. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Reasonable SD? I kinda like the newer seats, and that color. Wonder how much mod is necessary to fit them or

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Frederick
Dan. Only if you take out that gas-pig and put in a 604. Prejudiced? not me! Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred At 12:52 PM 4/8/2012, you wrote: Is this a good deal? http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ctd/2899562465.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Is this a good deal? http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/ctd/2899562465.html Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Looks like new seat leather but the headrest is old and faded? --R On 4/8/12 12:39 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Nice car, but red interior and blue exterior? Ugh. Dan On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2945616780.html --R ___

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Nice car, but red interior and blue exterior? Ugh. Dan On Apr 8, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: > http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2945616780.html > > --R > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To sear

Re: [MBZ] Reasonable SD?

2012-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Excellent, send pics when you get it done. --R On 4/8/12 12:29 PM, WILTON wrote: There's that blue again. Underside of the blue trunk lid you sent me is now black; top to be black soon. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday,

Re: [MBZ] Water pump leak

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Canfield
That is what I thought. Water pump is off parts car. Having trouble w/ over tight fan bolts! Mike On Apr 8, 2012 11:53 AM, "Allan Streib" wrote: > Michael Canfield writes: > > > Is a w123 300d water pump prone to leaking if the coolant reservoir is > > over full? > > I am having trouble seein

Re: [MBZ] Reasonable SD?

2012-04-08 Thread WILTON
There's that blue again. Underside of the blue trunk lid you sent me is now black; top to be black soon. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 12:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] Reasonable SD? I kinda like the newer seats

[MBZ] Hey Max -- mama needs this!

2012-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2945616780.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.c

[MBZ] Reasonable SD?

2012-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I kinda like the newer seats, and that color. Wonder how much mod is necessary to fit them or if they just drop in? http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/2946054315.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Water pump leak

2012-04-08 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield writes: > Is a w123 300d water pump prone to leaking if the coolant reservoir is > over full? I am having trouble seeing how the level in the reservoir would have much to do with it. The whole system is under pressure when hot; if the level is too high it just goes out the over

[MBZ] Water pump leak

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Is a w123 300d water pump prone to leaking if the coolant reservoir is over full? Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery o

Re: [MBZ] Not Aggravating!

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Floridda's DMV is refreshingly easy to work with, at least I have found this to be so. Case in point: When we moved back to Florida in 2011, I went to the DMV to register and title our cars. Florida has a rather nasty law that says when you move into the state you have to pay a "processing fe

Re: [MBZ] Not Aggravating!

2012-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
I have a story of the local DMV (I can't remember what it is called here, maybe part of the Dept of Public Safety) -- a few months ago I get a call one day from a woman at the local office, she tells me I have a wrong plate. It was kinda weird as I got it over 3 yr ago when I went to register

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Allan Streib
Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes: > Yeah, we have a coomerce clause in the constitution that is supposed > to stop such BS. But our legislators cant read, and the courts > believe they must look to foreign lawr to find direction (because they > can't read either.) The really like sure rea

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Allan Streib
Dan Penoff writes: > Indiana used to do the excise tax thing, based on the value of the car > - I don't think they do it anymore They do, but it's less of a hit than in the past. It *is* deductible on your federal itemized deductions, as a small offset as well. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Bit of a joke there by an independent minded New Englander. I was on a tractor forum one time when gay marriage was legalized here in MA. Of course tractor forums are very conservative and somebody posted "What are they doing in MA?" to which I responded "Whatever the hell we please. Now get yo

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
In Florida any state LEO can do a VIN verification - I had one of our school district security guys do one once for me! We also have community resource officers in the county who will do it at their leisure, all you have to do is call their office and ask them to come by. That's how I got the

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread WILTON
'Nother ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer is also responsible for collecting al

Re: [MBZ] Not Aggravating! Is too.....water pump leak.

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Canfield
It is when I just went out to go get our kids and the water pump on the 300d has developed a leak! We are supposed to be driving almost 500 miles today! Just came in to check part numbers.appears the 78 cd has the same water pump so I am off to change it out and hope for the best. That one

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Only paper plates in FL are dealer issued and good for 30 days. The dealer is also responsible for collecting all fees at the time of sale, which are forwarded to the DMV for processing. This can be problematic, as the last car I bought the dealer did not forward the fees in a timely manner and

[MBZ] Not Aggravating!

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Since everyone is aggravated talking about stupid gummit regs, I'd like to wish everyone a HAPPY EASTER! That is not aggravating. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Quite a few places, you cant do anything relating to the gummit after 4 pm ANY day. True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a Saturday afternoon? I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any state I have lived in to-date. Dan Michael Canfield wr

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
I had to go to the state snooper's cop shop (70 miles away) for a VIN verification when I took a vehicle into WI to license. at the time WI was something like $25 a yr for license. The next year they changed to something like $90 a year flat rate. At the same time, I was paying $13 or $16 a

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
True, but how many states can you transfer title in at 4:00 on a Saturday afternoon? I would gladly pay for such a convenience. Not an option in any state I have lived in to-date. Dan Michael Canfield wrote: >Those "private companies" in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth >and mak

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
Actually, Florida is one of the saner states I have lived in as far as the DMV is concerned. The only one I can think of that was better was Wisconsin. Indiana was patronage job heaven (the DMV used to be run by the governor's political party) and California was a total nightmare to try and navi

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
t'other side. Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of whackos to the Northeast on

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Over the past 20-40 years, the regs have taken a definite slant to the favor of stealers. Here, for instance, if you TRADE a car (at the stealer) they can take your plate off and put it on the "new" vehicle. As an individual, you have only a few days to buy a new car after you sell a car to t

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
I consider New England to be part of the the Northeast, especially when I'm talking about the whole region in general. I think those states just been around a lot longer than anyone else so they've had more time to make their bureaucracy ridiculous and hence the 'whacko's by the other poster. O

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
Florida is South of the mountains. On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > California likes cars but hates polluters. So there are no safety >> inspections and no strict tag requirements. Reserve your judgement of >> whackos to the Northeast on down to Virgini

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Brian Toscano
Refunds are not common but some states do/did issue them. On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the > registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid. > > Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the c

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Larry T
SOME STATES only allow dealers to issue temp tags LarryT On 4/8/2012 9:36 AM, Tony Wirtel wrote: te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 From: Dan Penoff To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating Message-ID:<067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com> Content-Type: te

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Michael Canfield
Those "private companies" in PA are most often members of the Commonwealth and make regular trips to Harrisburg to do their business. They take your paperwork with them and process it for you for a fee so you don't have to go to Hburg to do it yourself. Takes 3 days to do in PA what you can do in

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
One of the things that people not from here don't realize is that the "Northeast" is New York and SOUTH to Virginia. North of New York is New England, NOT the same thing. Aroostook County, Maine is a whole different thing entirely. Look up the bloodless war of Aroostook secession... -Curt Da

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Curt Raymond
Actually a lot of what I'm seeing here makes me think the New England states are pretty civilized. When I bought my '83 240D I paid upfront, they sent me the title, I got plates, took the bus to NJ and drove the car back to MA, very simple. All this fluff about needing to see the car to prove t

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Dieselhead
Sorry! It is 450V rated On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:29:06 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: Does 3500 Microfarad count as BHC? Yes. WHAT VOLTAGE RATING? I can buy one on fleabay for $10 or 3 for $20. I was thinking maybe buying 3 and using as many as needed. I found 50 Amp

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating

2012-04-08 Thread Tony Wirtel
te: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:48:32 -0400 > From: Dan Penoff > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating > Message-ID: <067b5ef2-5876-4283-b612-16ddf251e...@yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > That doesn't make a lot of sense. > > I work a block away fro

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Craig
On Sat, 7 Apr 2012 23:29:06 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Does 3500 Microfarad count as BHC? Yes. WHAT VOLTAGE RATING? > I can buy one on fleabay for $10 or 3 for $20. I was thinking maybe > buying 3 and using as many as needed. > I found 50 Amp bridge rectifiers. I fi

Re: [MBZ] OT: Source for electronic rectifier control

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
If you are making a simple variable DC power supply, yes. Dan Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >Does 3500 Microfarad count as BHC? > >I can buy one on fleabay for $10 or 3 for $20. I was thinking maybe >buying 3 and using as many as needed. > >I found 50 Amp bridge rectifiers. I figu

Re: [MBZ] Very Aggravating BS

2012-04-08 Thread Dan Penoff
No refunds here that I know of. If you sell the car before the registration expires, you simply lose the value of what you paid. Some states, like Indiana, had a system where the cost of your annual registration was based on the value of the vehicle, rather than a flat fee. If you had a new or