Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer
Wow! We've had rain everyday for quite a while, and the morning paper says to expect a deluge today. It was 74F last night and never gets over the middle 80s during the day. Wish we could pipe some of this water up your way and to the rest of the midwest. Gerry...in middle Florida From:

Re: [MBZ] E350 fuel consumption

2012-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer
That sounds better. Next time my daughter goes to Ocala I'm going along and sit in a Passat if they have one on hand. The Prius type 3 is pretty comfortable for a tall person, but many new compact cars are not. A gas electric might be more fun to play with, and the Prius has a better

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Dan Penoff
Don't be sending water away! We have had a drought down here for some time. We have finally dropped in to the almost daily late afternoon showers cycle. It's been a long time since that has happened. Wait until we can get the reservoirs filled up... Dan On Jul 23, 2012, at 6:59 AM, Gerry

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer
Tampa will never catch up on water. Too many lawns, too many golf course, too many people; they even wanted to pipe it down from the Suwanee. Tampa needs to build a few more desalinization plants instead of depending on reservoirs. Gerry Don't be sending water away! We have had a drought

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Dan Penoff
The desal plant was a major boondoggle that never met expectations and ended up costing us (taxpayers) millions to even make it marginally functional. I haven't checked on it recently, but last I heard it was running, but with a minimal effect on the system as a whole. We have a good grey

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer
I read the Times, so I followed that. It is possible to build successful desal plants, however, and that may be Tampas solution in the long run. Read a research report not long ago about the development of a new type desal barrier that will reduce the pressure necessary to force water through

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Jim Cathey
May have to cut off the condenser and get it on a bench, I have no desire to buy the hose set ($500 last time I looked). I'm a big fan of red heat, myself. Wet rags for protection. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

[MBZ] !90Dt

2012-07-23 Thread Frederick Moir
Dieselvolk. I have  3ea. 190Dt  for sale at Kaleb-like prices. Including spares and some MB toolz. If, that is, any one is interested. Photos can be taken and questions answered by email or phone. Basic info:- Bent is basically a mobile spare parts car. Blue is my current driver. Conn has a good

Re: [MBZ] Great diesel myth:

2012-07-23 Thread Randy Bennell
I don't think that was what the original article said. I believe they said the cars cost more and so did the fuel and that was why they did not believe them to be such a good deal anymore. Randy On 20/07/2012 4:58 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Also in Europe many inexpensive new diesel

Re: [MBZ] E350 fuel consumption

2012-07-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I would be curious to know what the problem was On 7/23/2012 5:53 AM, Gerry Archer wrote: That sounds better. Next time my daughter goes to Ocala I'm going along and sit in a Passat if they have one on hand. The Prius type 3 is pretty comfortable for a tall person, but many new compact cars

Re: [MBZ] !90Dt

2012-07-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
too bad you are not close On 7/23/2012 10:44 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: Dieselvolk. I have 3ea. 190Dt for sale at Kaleb-like prices. Including spares and some MB toolz. If, that is, any one is interested. Photos can be taken and questions answered by email or phone. Basic info:- Bent is

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 22, 2012 1:52 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Also found the leak on the 300TE at long last -- got a hole in the condenser. This will really be fun, as I cannot get the fitting at the hot side loose. May have to cut off the condenser and get it on a bench, I have no

Re: [MBZ] Clay's 107

2012-07-23 Thread RELNGSON
Are you planning to bring the car to next month's MBCA show at the Nile Country Club? I've been working on the C300 for a week or so, one panel at a time. The engine compartment is done with the interior and glass to be done the day before. Speedshine/paint cleaning clay/Speedshine/buffing

[MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI (Was: E350 fuel consumption and TDI loss of value)

2012-07-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 22, 2012 6:58 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: AMEN Brothr! That was one of my gripes - no 4Motion with the TDI here. It does have a transverse engine, but I don't detect any torque steering. It's a very well behaved car. Test drive one. I will, but I'm still disappointed that

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 22, 2012 2:36 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: If you have to cut the hose, maybe you can get a local shop to put new rubber on the old metal hose fittings. My AC guy did that once and it was WAY cheaper than buying the whole MBZ hose assembly. Plus, the new rubber is

[MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread G. M. Brown
On what appears to be an intermittent basis, the AC and the Tach in my '85 300TD stop working. This occurred on a return trip from some races yesterday so I pulled over, stopped the car, turned it off, placed it in Park, restarted the car, and the Tach and the AC started working again. I

Re: [MBZ] It don't pay to mess with us senior citizens

2012-07-23 Thread Craig
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 19:23:22 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: To be brutally honest... Don't we need fewer lives so that things can proceed? Absolutely not. We don't need to save lives - we need to waste a few. What part of, We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread Rich Thomas
Have you CHANGED YOUR FUSES? If that isn't it, probably a bad ground somewhere. There are a couple of cut-out switches in the AC circuit, low pressure and some other one (temp?). Not sure if the tach would share that or not, but there is likely some electrical fault in there. --R On

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread Fmiser
G. M. Brown wrote: On what appears to be an intermittent basis, the AC and the Tach in my '85 300TD stop working. The dreaded KLIMA! Anyone got any clue(s) as to the cause which might be a simple fix before I go back to NC on Wed. from Pbgh.? Sell it and get an earlier model? I haven't

Re: [MBZ] Clay's 107

2012-07-23 Thread WILTON
How 'bout coming TDY to NC and demonstrate the procedures on my 2 fine specimens - one white, one black - in need of such. Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clay's 107 Are you

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread WILTON
An obvious POS; how dare it do such at only 27; I'll give ya $500 for it delivered to Goldsboro. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Red heat? The fitting and pipe are aluminum, that's why it's stuck. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Gas or diesel hose? Gas one has a fuel cooler in line on the suction side. I have a spare diesel one, but it won't fit. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Clay's 107

2012-07-23 Thread clay monroe
yes, Frosch will be there. I will clay her and give a wax On Jul 23, 2012, at 12:51 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Are you planning to bring the car to next month's MBCA show at the Nile Country Club? I've been working on the C300 for a week or so, one panel at a time. The engine compartment

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jul 23, 2012 3:55 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Gas or diesel hose? Gas one has a fuel cooler in line on the suction side. What does it need that for? Prevent vapor lock? I thought fuel coolers went out with carburetors, but then I try to avoid working on the fuel

Re: [MBZ] E350 fuel consumption

2012-07-23 Thread OK Don
I drove a C class (the cheapest) and was not impressed. I liked the Passat more - so bought it instead and saved $10,000. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: That sounds better. Next time my daughter goes to Ocala I'm going along and sit in a Passat if

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI (Was: E350 fuel consumption and TDI loss of value)

2012-07-23 Thread OK Don
I'm equally impressed with the DSG tranny - really cool technology that's transparent unless you play with the shifter. On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jul 22, 2012 6:58 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: AMEN Brothr! That was one of my

Re: [MBZ] It don't pay to mess with us senior citizens

2012-07-23 Thread Mountain Man
Craig wrote: That's your decision for yourself. Hardly. Waay too much information would be required for me to explain, but jobs are not available for a guy a few years younger than you - I hope you get a good interview at Taylor - and there are young guys waiting in line that my age and

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI (Was: E350 fuel consumption and TDI loss of value)

2012-07-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:56:09 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm equally impressed with the DSG tranny - really cool technology that's transparent unless you play with the shifter. So what does 'DSG' mean? How is the technology really cool? What happens when you play with the shifter?

Re: [MBZ] It don't pay to mess with us senior citizens

2012-07-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Crab crab crab. My dad retired (quit work is probably a better word) at 62 and un-retired at 63. Couldn't stand being home all the time. He's a landfill manager and loves it, says its the best job he's ever had. Now that he's pushing 70 (69 last month) I think he's seriously considering

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI mit der DSG

2012-07-23 Thread Hendrik Fay
On 24/07/12 09:37, Craig wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:56:09 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm equally impressed with the DSG tranny - really cool technology that's transparent unless you play with the shifter. So what does 'DSG' mean? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-Shift_Gearbox

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread David Bruckmann
Not sure if it will make a difference, but could the cigarette-butt-in-the-tach-signal-connector trick that normally fixes the tach signal be worth trying? Does anyone know if cruise control depends on a valid tach signal? At 12:07 AM + 7/24/12, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:

Re: [MBZ] It don't pay to mess with us senior citizens

2012-07-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:07:02 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Here's an interesting perspective on technology. Quite a long article that I have not finished. The article was written in 1994 but the analysis is spot on 20 years later regarding technology. The guy summarizes

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI (Was: E350 fuel consumption and TDI loss of value)

2012-07-23 Thread OK Don
DSG = direct shift transmission. It's a dual clutch electronically controlled manual transmission. You can drive it like an automatic, or flick the shifter sideways and its like a very fast standard. On Jul 23, 2012 7:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:56:09 -0500

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI mit der DSG

2012-07-23 Thread OK Don
Exactly, drives like an automatic,, with the directly geared efficiency of a standard. It has to be contributing to the great fuel economy. On Jul 23, 2012 7:29 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 24/07/12 09:37, Craig wrote: On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 18:56:09 -0500 OK Don

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread Allan Streib
David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca writes: Does anyone know if cruise control depends on a valid tach signal? I would say no, because the tach on the 300D works intermittently but the Cruise works (well, when you set it accelerates about 5 - 10mph and then holds, but otherwise

Re: [MBZ] It don't pay to mess with us senior citizens

2012-07-23 Thread Rick Knoble
Okay. What's PE/PLS? Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jul 23, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Anyway he's a PE/PLS, if he can do it anybody can. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Working in the field?

2012-07-23 Thread RELNGSON
..How 'bout coming TDY to NC and demonstrate the procedures on my 2 fine specimens - one white, one black - in need of such... You have finished that 4-car air conditioned garage, right? Lots of light and en suite facilities a plus. Actually, Penoff is closer and doesn't have anything at

Re: [MBZ] Clayed by Clay and a wax.

2012-07-23 Thread RELNGSON
...yes, Frosch will be there.  I will clay her and give a wax... Brazilian? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options

Re: [MBZ] C no va

2012-07-23 Thread RELNGSON
.I drove a C class (the cheapest) and was not impressed. I liked the Passat more - so bought it instead and saved $10,000... I'm crushed. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Jerry Herrman
on those cars? Whadda you guys do? Jerry 82 240D 91 Volvo 240 and others __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7323 (20120723) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Re: [MBZ] Clayed by Clay and a wax.

2012-07-23 Thread clay monroe
of course. Best brazilian wax carnuba clay On Jul 23, 2012, at 6:31 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...yes, Frosch will be there. I will clay her and give a wax... Brazilian? RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread clay monroe
on those cars? Whadda you guys do? Jerry 82 240D 91 Volvo 240 and others __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7323 (20120723) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Re: [MBZ] OK Don's Passat TDI mit der DSG

2012-07-23 Thread Rich Thomas
How about just until I need glasses? --R On 7/23/12 8:29 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: What happens when you play with the shifter? You go blind. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Dave Walton
. And what about cars with ABS? What happens to fluid going backwards on those cars? Whadda you guys do? Jerry 82 240D 91 Volvo 240 and others __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7323 (20120723) __ The message was checked by ESET

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Allan Streib
Also if the rotors are pitted with rust, replace them. They will eat up the new pads in no time. A little dusty surface rust is not a problem, but if they are pitted or flaking they need to go. You can try to find a shop to turn them, but they uniformly tell me they are too thin to turn because

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Jul 2012 22:38:41 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: You can try to find a shop to turn them, but they uniformly tell me they are too thin to turn because I think they want me to go to the parts counter and buy new instead. And, of course, our parts guy is Rusty at

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Check the caliper thickness yourself against minimum thickness standards in the service manual to determine whether the rotors can be safely turned down. Chances are good that older worn rotors are already below specs, at least this has been true in the cars I have worked on. Greg -Original

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Yes, the fuel cooler is to prevent vapor lock, which can be a real pain. It also gives better fuel density, hence more power. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Mercedes rotors WILL be too thin if there is a visible lip on them. They are NOT intended for lifetime service, unlike American cars. They are also very inexpensive as rotors go. All sorts of brake ills result from running them too thin, I see it on every single used Benz I run into,

Re: [MBZ] E350 fuel consumption

2012-07-23 Thread Gerry Archer
Me too, but her husbands business book keeper gets all the receipts for repairs since she works in the business and bills it a certain amount for the SUVs uses related to the business. If I ever go with her to the dealer again I ask them to look it up and then post the info. Gerry From:

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Frederick Moir
backward in the system - it just seems wrong somehow. And what about cars with ABS? What happens to fluid going backwards on those cars? Whadda you guys do? Jerry 82 240D 91 Volvo 240 and others __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 7323 (20120723

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Another issue I have is that of opening the cap on the MC. Does this allow moisture (say, on a humid day) to enter the MC? The caps are vented, so open or not it's not much different. That's why you bleed them periodically. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] A/C fun

2012-07-23 Thread Jim Cathey
Red heat? The fitting and pipe are aluminum, that's why it's stuck. Either way, extreme heat on the nut can crack it loose. Just don't melt anything. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Working in the field?

2012-07-23 Thread WILTON
Sad to say that I moved 24 years ago from the 2-car air-conditioned, attached garage and house that I designed and built when Uncle brought me here 33 years ago. Now stuck with doing 'em in the open with shade in early morning and late afternoon. Lots of light and en suite facilities are

Re: [MBZ] bleeding

2012-07-23 Thread RELNGSON
Just put a small box end over the bleeder, then press the piston in and when it gets close to bottomed out, close the bleeder. Forget about catching the fluid since not much will come out anyway. Brake fluid is water soluble so when you are finished just hose it off and wash it away. RLE

Re: [MBZ] RoadRanger - was: OK Don's Passat TDI mit der DSG

2012-07-23 Thread Fmiser
Hendrik Fay wrote: who is off tomorrow to do a refresher course on the 18 speed RR, which can be shifted with clutch or without But why bother with the clutch if it provides no benefit. It's pretty handy for moving out from a standstill. And I generally use it for down shifting under load

Re: [MBZ] AC Tach stop working

2012-07-23 Thread Fmiser
David Bruckmann wrote: Not sure if it will make a difference, but could the cigarette-butt-in-the-tach-signal-connector trick that normally fixes the tach signal be worth trying? Nope. Not on an '85. There isn't an amplifier in the socket. Does anyone know if cruise control depends on a

Re: [MBZ] Bleeding Brakes

2012-07-23 Thread Fmiser
Jerry Herrman wrote: Also, I worry about fluid going backward in the system - it just seems wrong somehow. Don't worry about this. It happens a bit every time you take your foot off the brake pedal. The rotors push back against the pads and some fluid will flow back up to the master