[MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
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Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Tim C
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/3309092304.html I was wondering what you found odd about this car, but then I saw the racing stripe. -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread WILTON
'Should be hung in the public square before sunset. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oook

Re: [MBZ] Wilton's son and grandson [was: Re: 123 grille]

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
WILTON wrote: Yep. Scared/shocked me when he said he's taking twenty hours. My response, Please, be careful. Don't let it get you in trouble. 'Asked 'im yesterday how's it going; his response, Still okay; mid-term exams in a few days. The time I took 20 hours there were a couple of four

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread G Mann
Ohhh... the racing stripe and I was fixated on the hood scope google couldn't find what that was. h.. Buy it I'm sure it will turn heads at every concours event you take it to.. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote: On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:51 AM,

Re: [MBZ] Wilton's son and grandson [was: Re: 123 grille]

2012-10-02 Thread WILTON
I think he has 5 classes/subjects. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton's son and grandson [was: Re: 123 grille] WILTON wrote: Yep.

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell
So, the hood scoop looks a bit odd on an MB diesel but it supposedly holds an intercooler. Does anyone think it is effective? Does an intercooler help in any way on a diesel or is it going against the grain because a diesel needs heat to fire? Randy On 02/10/2012 10:42 AM, G Mann wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Randy Bennell wrote: So, the hood scoop looks a bit odd on an MB diesel but it supposedly holds an intercooler. Does anyone think it is effective? Does an intercooler help in any way on a diesel or is it going against the grain because a diesel needs heat to fire? If you're pumping

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Greg Fiorentino
Actually a properly set up intercooler on any turbodiesel greatly increases the efficiency of the engine. The laws of thermodynamics are such that the efficiency of an engine is proportional to the difference in temperature of the intake and exhaust gases. So the cooler the intake to the engine

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Greg Fiorentino wrote: Ideally the intercooler should act on the air after it has been compressed by the turbo, not before. This looks like it works on the air from the scope, not an ideal setup. I don't see any underhood pics, but an intercooler before the turbo would be useless, just

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Greg Fiorentino wrote: Actually a properly set up intercooler on any turbodiesel greatly increases the efficiency of the engine. The laws of thermodynamics are such that the efficiency of an engine is proportional to the difference in temperature of the intake and exhaust gases. You've said

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Greg Fiorentino
This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I learned in Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that I got this garbled. One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the temp (and pressure) of the intake charge to prevent early ignition.

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Greg Fiorentino wrote: This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I learned in Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that I got this garbled. I had to read the Wiki myself. For steam engines, Th *is* intake temperature. I'm sure Craig could lecture us in

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread G Mann
Another name for intercooler and a more proper one is Intake Charge Cooler... It's purpose is to cool the charge of air coming into the engine thus allowing more air to be packed into the cylinder making a more oxygen dense air charge for combustion.[cold air is more dense, rule of physics] If

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Randy Bennell
On 02/10/2012 4:04 PM, G Mann wrote: Another name for intercooler and a more proper one is Intake Charge Cooler... It's purpose is to cool the charge of air coming into the engine thus allowing more air to be packed into the cylinder making a more oxygen dense air charge for combustion.[cold air

Re: [MBZ] Getting Back Into the Klatta Klatta Fold

2012-10-02 Thread Curt Raymond
I went through this recently with my '78 240D except I had keys for both. My car had a junkyard ignition with one key and VIN doors/trunk with another. I pulled the ignition and reworked it so it matches the doors/trunk. After only 2 years under my ownership its finally keyed right. ;) -Curt

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread RELNGSON
..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the temp (and pressure) of the intake charge to prevent early ignition The important thing is to lower the temp of the compressed air to make it more dense and thus lower the CHT. Intercoolers have been around since at

[MBZ] Mobil supersyn

2012-10-02 Thread WILTON
'Been coupla days without an oil thread, so here goes - what's Mobil 1 Super synthetic? Friend saw it on sale at Advance and called me with question. BTW, I've been getting M1 5 W 40 turbo Diesel truck oil at Wally's for last coupla years. Wilton ___

Re: [MBZ] Mobil supersyn

2012-10-02 Thread clay monroe
I too am interested in that answer. I picked up a case of M1 20-50 today since it is on sale at $5.50qt. There was this advance stuff, but the check boxes on the shelf data card seemed to indicate it was less gooder than the true M1. clay On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:35 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Been

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: efficiency, 1 - (Th/Tc), gets larger as Th gets larger. Oops, that's 1 - (Tc/Th), and the negative component does go down as Th gets higher. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread OK Don
Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the turbo Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a Continental 0-470. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:33 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel is to lower the temp (and pressure) of

Re: [MBZ] Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Craig
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 15:10:03 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Greg Fiorentino wrote: This certainly is complex stuff, and I am trying to recall what I learned in Power Lab many decades ago. I think you are correct that I got this garbled. I had to read the Wiki myself. For

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Craig
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote: And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine available in the Cessna 172 that is intercooled and pulls nearly 100 inches of manifold pressure. It is a compression ignition engine but is built for Jet-A, not

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread OK Don
Correction to my correction - the current NA 182 has a Lycoming IO-540 with the same HP as my Continental 0-470. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the turbo Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread OK Don
Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a bargain! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote: And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine available in

Re: [MBZ] Dense Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Hendrik Fay
That's interesting, I would have thought that even though the air is less dense at altitude it is also a lot colder. Also I found that Diesel engines work better at night, which I guess may be down to air density? Hendrik who is dense On 03/10/12 09:03, relng...@aol.com wrote: The important

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Craig
On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:15:26 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a bargain! Yes, indeedy! Cheap at half the price! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a bargain! So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] Dense Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread G Mann
Hendrik Point well made. True, as you go up in altitude.. temps drop.. [as a rule of thumb, 1 degree F per thousand ft. {same rule, different math for meter/Centigrade}]. However, along with that rise in altitude, and temp, you also have a lowering in air density.. In the brief comments previous,

Re: [MBZ] Dense Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread G Mann
OOOooopps.. typo.. Should read: Rise in altitude and DROP in temp On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:02 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hendrik Point well made. True, as you go up in altitude.. temps drop.. [as a rule of thumb, 1 degree F per thousand ft. {same rule, different math for

[MBZ] Job Search was Re: Oookkkkk

2012-10-02 Thread Rick Knoble
On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: If I had been accepted by Taylor University, I would have been re-learning it ahead of the students. How is the job search going? Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread G Mann
Cheap... and Aviation may never be used in the same sentence FAA rule... I think.. hahaha.. The engine is only $40,000... the paperwork adds the rest to make it an even $500K On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:33 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ..One of the things an intercooler does on a turbodiesel

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I bought one of those Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote: And a bit OT, there is a new French built 4-cylinder Jet-A engine available in the Cessna 172 that is intercooled and

[MBZ] Didn't intend to do that today

2012-10-02 Thread Curt Raymond
Ever since I changed the fuel filters in my '84 190D I've noticed a whiff of diesel when idling or when first starting (which I guess is idling). I checked all around the new filters but couldn't find any leakage. Finally had the head slap moment when I realized it was the return lines which

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Craig
On Tue, 02 Oct 2012 20:53:21 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: OK Don wrote: Oh, but the non-turbo, gasoline powered 182 is only $385,000 - what a bargain! So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine? It does cost that much more, but it's a turbo diesel, not a

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread OK Don
Cool! Fly over to 33OK and show me! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I bought one of those Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 7:09 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2012 19:33:25 -0400 (EDT) relng...@aol.com wrote: And

Re: [MBZ] Didn't intend to do that today

2012-10-02 Thread Max Dillon
Curt, Matters not! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Didn't intend to do that today

2012-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
Both connectors are part of the overflow system, and in fact all the fuel from the last one goes all the way through the others and back to the tank. Doesn't matter which one has the plug. The nozzles always leak a bit, they have to in order for the poppets to move, so there is an

Re: [MBZ] Battery or starter?

2012-10-02 Thread Max Dillon
Peter, Thanks, I hope we're both right. Thursday night I'll check it out. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: Sounds like battery to me, that's how all of mine have quit, although usually when cold out. Easy to check -- turn the

Re: [MBZ] Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
It's In the back yard not sure if I have enough room to take off Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Cool! Fly over to 33OK and show me! On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I bought one of those Sent

Re: [MBZ] Dense Intercooling

2012-10-02 Thread WILTON
Dry (unsaturated air) adiabatic lapse rate = ~ -5 degrees F/1000 feet rise in altitude and ~ -1 degree C/3000 feet rise in altitude. Wilton - Original Message - From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:05 PM

Re: [MBZ] Jet-A

2012-10-02 Thread RELNGSON
Minor correction - the Jet-A engine is in the new 182 to replace the turbo Continental engine. The NA 182 still has a Continental 0-470 Yes, I mistyped that. I assume you read the reviews in AOPA Pilot and Flying. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] Intercoolers

2012-10-02 Thread RELNGSON
...That's interesting, I would have thought that even though the air is less dense at altitude it is also a lot colder... Compressing the incoming air raises it's temperature and the air-to-air intercooler cools it down but not to ambient, of course. Without the intercooler, the engine temps

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 83, Issue 6

2012-10-02 Thread RELNGSON
..So the turbo engine only costs $165,000 more than the NA engine?... Turbos always cost more but in this case, the Jet-A engine is entirely new along with it's ancillary systems. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

Re: [MBZ] Intercoolers

2012-10-02 Thread Peter Frederick
Intercooling also increases the charge density, which means more air per stroke which means you can burn more fuel. Critical in gassers, since too high an inlet temp means pre-ignition, or worse, detonation, but handy in diesels for more power. Peter