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2014-09-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So now we know Andrew prefers concealed carry! What calibers do you like Andrew? Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 9, 2014 11:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If I am a bad guy who doesn't qualify to purchase a gun, how inviting it would be to see some fat

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
At 2:15 PM -0500 9/9/14, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: *The big picture:* * Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according to The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence There's your problem there, the source. They have a rather large axe to grind.

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
G Mann via Mercedes wrote: I live in Arizona, where it is both legal and common to carry discrete or openly, no restrictions. It is quite common to meet other shoppers who, like me are armed. No one except the criminals or some back east visitors who are gun phobic worry about it. I shop

[MBZ] Incredible time waster

2014-09-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
http://jalopnik.com/this-amazing-vintage-car-photo-database-is-our-fappenin-1631172930 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
The combination of the pith helmet, shorts, man-purse, and pistol, wow. Comfortable and practical, yes. Stylish? Call the fashion police! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 10, 2014 8:29 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Here's a picture of Fry's carry, complete with a

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence My main objection to them is their asinine plan to replace gun violence with other kinds, where there is a huge advantage to the young, the strong, and the cruel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

[MBZ] Baseball bat murders at Miller Park

2014-09-10 Thread Van Knutson via Mercedes
Perhaps, but only a vanishingly small number are murdered by people who are legally entitled to possess a firearm. And more are killed by baseball bats than long guns. - Greg My beloved Milwaukee Brewers are being murdered by baseball bats in front of 30,000+ witnesses

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk --R On 9/10/14 9:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: The combination of the pith helmet, shorts, man-purse, and pistol, wow. Comfortable and practical, yes. Stylish? Call the fashion police! Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Sep 10, 2014 8:29 AM,

Re: [MBZ] Prius

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and it is easy to miss a motorcycle. I can say that I have heard bikes coming before I have seen them. Randy who would not want to ride one the noisy ones very far PS

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Probably true but you know what they say about statistics. And, I assume your odds of dying in gun violence are a lot higher in the USA than they are in Canada. RB On 09/09/2014 7:02 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: More people die of: Heart disease (by almost a factor of 20) and

Re: [MBZ] Prius

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Corectly should have a k On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Noticeable Weird Noisey Two out of three are spelled corectly above On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe a lot of

Re: [MBZ] Prius

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Noticeable Weird Noisey Two out of three are spelled corectly above On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I believe a lot of the bike folks think that loud is good as it makes them more noticable. Drivers do not pay enough attention and

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
*U.S. vs. The World* *Last year, handguns killed 48 people in Japan, 8 in Great Britain, 34 in Switzerland, 52 in Canada, 58 in Israel, 21 in Sweden, 42 in West Germany and 10,728 in the United States.* (Half True

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I thought the standard line was that you never show that you have a gun unless you actually intend to use it. RB On 09/09/2014 7:08 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote: I never saw much point in open carry in public. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Here's an interesting new study on gun violence, and associated costs, by the Urban Institute: http://blog.metrotrends.org/2014/08/costs-gun-violence-hospital-price-tag/ On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 11:35 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Probably true but you know

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and heirloom apple site on the internet, with pictures. You can indeed identify your tree by the apples. My boss up

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
You might not like the source, but are the numbers correct? RB On 10/09/2014 7:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote: At 2:15 PM -0500 9/9/14, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: *The big picture:* * Every year in the U.S., an average of more than 100,000 people are shot, according

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
So, how secure is that gun in the holster? How easy might it be for someone to come up behind you and take the gun from you? That is what would concern me as much as anything. If some nut case takes your gun, you may just be the first one to get shot. RB On 10/09/2014 7:30 AM, Mitch Haley

[MBZ] N2 in tires -- the chemist has spoken

2014-09-10 Thread Van Knutson via Mercedes
Dry nitrogen gas as an option to inflate premium tires (the places that have beluga caviar in the waiting rooms) is used because 1) The gas contains no moisture, and 2) 100% Nitrogen replaces oxygen in air, and oxygen decays rubber over time, thus at least extending tire life from within.

[MBZ] Another 108 for Kaleb, in AR

2014-09-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
http://www.mbca.org/forum/2014-08-16/280se-45 -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Depends on where specifically. I suspect I have a lesser chance of dying of gun violence than somebody in downtown Montreal or Toronto. Years ago I was setting up a call center in Halifax and there were roving gangs of teenagers killing people with sticks and bats. People were afraid to go out

Re: [MBZ] Another 108 for Kaleb, in AR

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I love Horizon Blue! Too bad it is so overpriced. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://www.mbca.org/forum/2014-08-16/280se-45 -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What anti-gun laws? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Depends on where specifically. I suspect I have a lesser chance of dying of gun violence than somebody in downtown Montreal or Toronto. Years ago I was setting up a call center in

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Ahh the Politifact report. You left out the murder rate though and your odds of being murdered which is 1 in 24,000 in the US and 1 in 56,000 in Canada which is still way the hell behind Spain at 1 in 111,000 which surprises me. You chance of being killed with a gun (and again its a big

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Probably not, last year (or was it early this year) the Obama administration put out the 33,000 number which even they admit is probably half suicides... Also the thing below doesn't admit that the number has been falling steadily for the last 40 or so years. -Curt

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters that uniformed police and military

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
The nut case is the guy displaying a gun in public. The criminal is probably smart enough to disarm the nut case. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Speaking only for myself, training first in military, later as a Deputy, weapon retention is primary. It is a multi part process starting with holster selection and then with situational awareness at all times, armed or not. That rigorous training is refreshed often and by acceptance of daily

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
And that observation is based on what fact? The documented number of times a criminal has attacked when a gun was present with the intended victim? That begs substance please. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The nut case is the guy

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects

2014-09-10 Thread clay via Mercedes
those electro cars are owned by fruits and nuts On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Let me suggest that apples and peaches have little to do with a Prius. RB On 09/09/2014 10:48 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes wrote: I'm sure there is at least one heritage and

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
In the interest of fairness with numbers, how about having a look at the dramatic drop in crime of all types each time a state has passed concealed carry permitting laws? In every case there has been a sharp decline in crime. In that same line of thought, take a look at the murder and crime

[MBZ] loud motorcycles (was:Re: Prius)

2014-09-10 Thread ernest breakfield via Mercedes
after a few decades of motorcycling, i'd say that a lot of the bike folks are wrong. you're much more likely to be taken out on a motorcycle by someone who doesn't see you and turns in front of you than by anyone who would have been within hearing distance of anything humanly bearable,

Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles

2014-09-10 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Many years back, probably about the early 1990s, we were travelling along in my 1986 Suburban when I started to hear an odd noise. I initially thought my motor was pinging. The truck sometimes had an issue with that and I would buy a better grade of fuel the next time to add to the remaining

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
What are the before and after numbers? Which states? COuld any other factors be involved, such as incarceration rates? On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 2:19 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: In the interest of fairness with numbers, how about having a look at the dramatic drop in

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What anti-gun laws? Possession of handguns by non-government employees was totally banned in both District of Criminals and Chitcago for decades before recently being overturned by the Supreme Court. And by totally banned, I mean they considered it a

Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles

2014-09-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Was he riding easy? --R On 9/10/14 3:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Many years back, probably about the early 1990s, we were travelling along in my 1986 Suburban when I started to hear an odd noise. I initially thought my motor was pinging. The truck sometimes had an issue with

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Typically the Blackhawk line of holsters have a catch positioned so it can be quickly released if needed by the wearer, but are very awkward for anyone else to be able to reach while also trying to draw the pistol out of the holster. These are the same holsters

Re: [MBZ] loud motorcycles (was:Re: Prius)

2014-09-10 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I stopped riding a few years ago because I felt like I had a bullseye on my back no matter what efforts I took to be as visible as possible. These included reflective stripes on my gear and a pulsing headlight. I still felt like people were either anion at me or being so flipping inattentive I

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
G Mann via Mercedes wrote: And that observation is based on what fact? The fact that Andrew is of the privileged Progressive type that gets to make up their facts on the fly, and evil Conservatives aren't allowed to dispute them. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] N

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
That's ancient history. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: What anti-gun laws? Possession of handguns by non-government employees was totally banned in both District of Criminals and Chitcago for

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Let's not get personal, please. You don't know me at all. On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann via Mercedes wrote: And that observation is based on what fact? The fact that Andrew is of the privileged Progressive type that gets to

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-10 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
That's what I was going to say -- I've gotten 53 MPG on the road, wife gets 35mpg in town. I love the DSG tranny - dual clutch trannys are cool --- On Fri, Sep 5, 2014 at 10:23 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Go test drive a Passat, or rent one. I had one last week

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Andrew wrote: Let's not get personal, please. You don't know me at all. Das' Kool!! You keep the mystery about who you are. The rest of us? For the most part, we are open book. Again, Das' Kool!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects

2014-09-10 Thread John Reames via Mercedes
*Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for the needs I lease it for... I'm definitely not a fruit, although I suppose whether or not I am a nut might be a matter for debate...) Btw, it costs me about $4 per hundred miles

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Federal firearms laws are quite strong and the penalties are severe. But some jurisdictions (typically jurisdictions with their own, more restrictive, firearms laws) choose to enforce neither their own laws nor the Federal laws. Just look at the criminal records of those mutts that do get

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects

2014-09-10 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Right on. A car is a machine that may or may not be suited for a particular use. It's foolish to mistake a car choice for a social or political statement unless you know the car was chosen to make a statement. I bought a Subaru for practical reasons, but I'm slightly to the right of Attila the

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius and changing subjects

2014-09-10 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Not all electric cars are fruity. The Prius on the other hand Sent from my iPhone On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:33 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: *Ahem* Generalizations aren't always correct. (I drive an electric car; as previously discussed, it is perfect for

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-10 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my roads. Sometimes it looks like parade day on the freeway with them all lined up. I think the placement of the Obama sticker or the stick figure family is the only way to tell one from the other

Re: [MBZ] N and guns

2014-09-10 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 19:50:24 -0400 Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Then he started charging them with federal firearms violations. The Federal court dates were soon and proof of the crime was (relatively) easy. As I recall, 19 perps went away for 5-10 years each, that

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-10 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
How could people live with themselves being such cows? I'd rather pull a Robin Williams. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 9/8/14 4:42 PM, clay via Mercedes wrote: There are an excess of the blue ones roaming my

Re: [MBZ] Testing Prius

2014-09-10 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
i get these feelings of deja vu. all over again On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:40 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How could people live with themselves being such cows? I'd rather pull a Robin Williams. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 8, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Rich Thomas