Re: [MBZ] enu9a5er

2015-01-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Max wrote: Yes. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. mao

[MBZ] Winter Adventure

2015-01-08 Thread Michael Esh via Mercedes
Just drove home from Grand Rapids airport with my Mother. She came back from Florida if you can believe it. Blizzard conditions with 30 mph winds. 45 minute trip took 2 hours 15 minutes. Last 1/2 hour on back roads bucking drifts that kept engine temps at about a third below normal. 84 300D

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
Curly wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd... the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04. I though one major selling point was that it did not require the latest hardware?

Re: [MBZ] Winter Adventure

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
With a couple bags of sand tubes, or a couple big toolboxes in the trunk, that is a good combination for winter. Well done! Just drove home from Grand Rapids airport with my Mother. She came back from Florida if you can believe it. Blizzard conditions with 30 mph winds. 45 minute trip took

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Andrew sez: We are down to earth, solid, and put everything in perspective. I can go for the first 2, but I don't get the connection with the last one. down to earth, solid, ... as a rock and just as stubborn. ; ) (from a stubborn hard-headed kraut who is not a geologist)

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd, and no player on the old box. So I put in a dvd. Then the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04.I though one major selling point was that

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. Ubuntu is intended to be a user friendly Linux, and has the overhead to achieve it. Something from the

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Dan wrote: ...I have met very highly educated people who are total idiots. Are we all idiots? How has this thread derailed from agorism to idiot? From Wiki: Agorism is a libertarian social philosophy that advocates creating a society in which all relations between people are voluntary exchanges

Re: [MBZ] SOT (somewhat OT): TOyota share its patents.

2015-01-08 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Craig wrote: That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living off-grid south of Calhan, Colorado. We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you live south of Calhan? Calhan had the fairgrounds. We had the absolute best alluvial groundwater in the world -

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Formal education vs idiocy? IMHO little to no correlation! My grandfather had an 8th-grade education. Poet, philosopher, seeker of knowledge, janitor. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Curly wrote: I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. 14.04 requires a dvd... the installer sez the machine video won't support 14.04. I though one major selling point was that it did not require the latest

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 22:01:24 -0600 fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yup. I don't pay much attention to MSWin - but there is not software claiming it needs at least Win7 to run... One of these days I'll actually have to abandon XP. *sigh* I went to update the maps on our

Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?

2015-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:11:48 -0500 Tim Crone via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: rant 7 is no improvement, I love W7 (professional, never used home). On the same machine it booted faster, and did about

Re: [MBZ] SOT (somewhat OT): TOyota share its patents.

2015-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 20:31:46 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: That reminds me of an episode that occurred when we were living off-grid south of Calhan, Colorado. We lived south of Ellicott, CO at Drennan 1985-1990. When did you live south of Calhan? We lived

Re: [MBZ] enu9a5er

2015-01-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Yes. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jan 8, 2015 2:53 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:22:26 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
We are down to earth, solid, and put everything in perspective. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Some have mush in their heads --R On 1/8/15 3:55 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in their heads ___

Re: [MBZ] How list members can tell it's winter time

2015-01-08 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
http://ifunny.co/fun/PWgqnHza2 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being said, I pushed for the four banger when we bought the car,

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I know of them. Keene is apparently a hotbed of libritarianism. There are loads of videos on Youtube of kids there messing with the police. It all went wrong last October during the pumpkin festival. I live about a half hour south, just over the MA line. We go to Keene often, most recently I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz

2015-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Never use your head to clear a blockage in your snowblower. -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:21 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz Interesting quiz:

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
185HP ought to satisfy anybody. A TBI late '80s GM V8 only made 150ish. It'll be all up high but the car should be geared to take advantage of it. Tell her that F1 cars regularly spin their engines MUCH faster.Explain that she's been brainwashed to want a v6... Or just don't buy a Mazda 6. :)

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Do you go over the line to buy liquor and smokes? Dan who once looked at buying a house in Nashua On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I know of them. Keene is apparently a hotbed of libritarianism. There are loads of videos on Youtube of

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Her parents brainwashed her years ago that a six is a minimum for safety purposes, e.g., trying to pull out into traffic in a hurry. There's no use in trying to explain otherwise, although if their four cylinder mill will make the car stand up on its hind legs, she would probably be satisfied.

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
Original Message   From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:05 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: Rich Thomas Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio He meant me.  I can take it.   You are ‎sarcastic, not an idiot :)  And yeah, after looking at it, he probably did

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
He meant me. I can take it. Especially after spending 4.5 hr last night at a City of Charleston Board of Zoning Appeals hearing last night and mixing it up with a couple of the real idiots on the board, and developers. --R I thought he meant no shortage of idiots when algore shows up at a

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Original Message   From: Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:00 AM To: Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Why do you assumeI was referring to Craig? Because of the thread progression.  On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I'm a little confused with the thread progression, but I will say that just because someone doesn't have a formal education does not mean they're an idiot, by any stretch of the imagination. For that matter, I have met very highly educated people who are total idiots. Dan Sent from my iPad

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I was not trying to suggest our car was indicative of all Mazdas, just that this has been our experience based on where the car has been located. I've never looked at information on any of the Mazda forums regarding rust. I'll check it out. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:11

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Now I'm tempted to go try one. One of my favorite rental cars was a Mazda 6 although that probably had more to do with where I was and the roads I was traveling. Nova Scotia is beautiful country when the weather is nice and miserable when it isn't. If the car guy in our AAA mag thought it was

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Just as a data point, our 2005 Mazda 6 spent almost three years in the Midwest, and was exposed to the typical snow, sand and road salt. Other than some superficial surface rust on the undercarriage, there is no evidence of rust on any of the body panels that I've seen. Dan Sent from my iPad

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I'm not knowledgable on the Mazda makes, models, years but it has been my observation that Mazda 3 and 6 models made in the 2000s are quite rust prone. Perhaps less than three years salt exposure not enough? Perhaps your model year was not affected? This is just a general observation on my

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. --R On 1/7/15 10:13 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2015 21:00:57 -0600 Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Liberty radio from Keene, NH - has anyone heard

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
185HP ought to satisfy anybody. Our 450 SL (V8) had around 160 HP. My 200D has around 60HP, maybe, and it is surprisingly drivable. It will make it to freeway speed by the end of our (old, short) onramp. Not so the poor, pathetic 240D automatic we once had, which took a mile or so more to

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I see there is no shortage of idiots around... On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
I take personal offense at you referring to a nuclear physicist (Craig) as an idiot. Please retract that statement.  ‎ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ‎   Original Message   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:41 AM To: Craig; Mercedes Discussion List Reply

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
I think the 1.8 turbo VW Audi engine is phenomenal. I drove a friends old Audi A4 and it was really, really fast. No need for a six cylinder nowadays. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
He meant me. I can take it. Especially after spending 4.5 hr last night at a City of Charleston Board of Zoning Appeals hearing last night and mixing it up with a couple of the real idiots on the board, and developers. --R On 1/8/15 11:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: I take

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yeah, if the AC dogged it down that would be a major problem. The AC is pretty much permanently on in her car...today would be one of the few exceptions. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
Mazda a is not a good match for New England winters based on my observation of significant rust in 4-8 year old cars. Check out rear quarter panel areas. Not good. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Now I'm tempted to go

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up in a town to give a speech on global warming, and it snows 2 feet. That's what I thought, too, but the website defines it as algorism [al-guh-riz-uh m] Word Origin

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎  Original Message   From: Craig via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Craig Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio On Thu, 08 Jan 2015 09:55:29 -0500 Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: algorism us when Algore shows up

Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz

2015-01-08 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Not that weird. Just about every year you'll hear about some idiot losing a hand clearing a blockage with the snowblower running and somebody else holding the augur control on. Or they tie the control on so they can reach in.I don't even reach in if its off, I've seen too many cases where I

Re: [MBZ] Running Older vehicles

2015-01-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 08/01/2015 7:31 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: She will ask specifically. I'll have to let her drive it, and if the performance is equal or better, she would probably go for it. She thrashes cars, so I might have some concerns about its longevity under such conditions. That being

Re: [MBZ] OT: Test Your Snow Blower IQ – Take The Quiz

2015-01-08 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 16:56:01 + (UTC) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Not that weird. Just about every year you'll hear about some idiot losing a hand clearing a blockage with the snowblower running and somebody else holding the augur control on. Or they tie the control on so they

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm a little confused with the thread progression, but I will say that just because someone

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
‎Original Message   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:12 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio Right on.  Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who

[MBZ] enu9a5er

2015-01-08 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 14:22:26 -0500 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

[MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota

2015-01-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Thursday it is fining Honda $70 million — the largest civil penalty levied against an automaker — for not reporting to regulators some 1,729 complaints that its vehicles caused deaths and injuries, and for not reporting warranty claims. The

Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota

2015-01-08 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
I should think that the government has more information on death and injury in automobiles than the car makers do. RB On 08/01/2015 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration said Thursday it is fining Honda $70 million — the largest civil

Re: [MBZ] OT: Honda is $70MM worse than Toyota

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Transportation Secretary Anthony vincinte Foxx said the fines reflect the government's determination to take a tough stance against automakers who withhold safety information from regulators...(unless they pad our pockets as well as toada.) WASHINGTON (AP) - The Obama administration said

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
Right on. Physicists are notorious idiots, whereas it's very hard to find a Geologist who meet the criteria. Geologists have rocks in their heads ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or

Re: [MBZ] Free Talk Live radio

2015-01-08 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Agree! Who *meets *the criteria. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: ‎Original Message From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 1:12 PM To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel