For those of you who I may have spoken with off-list regarding wheels for
winter tires for my '84 300D, I've obtained, refinished, and had my new winter
tires mounted so I'm ready for one trip north each winter.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Since replacing the #4 #5 fuel injectors had no effect on the rough idle and
smoking upon cold startup in my '85 300TD, I thought I'd use a procedure which
one of our listers had previously suggested for Lubro Moly Diesel Purge, where
it was suggested to empty the fuel filter of diesel fuel,
I started and ran my '85 300TD a little while ago and it still has a rough idle
and smokes upon a cold startup, but warms up in 2-3 min. and then the idle is
as smooth as an old diesel will get and the smoking ceases, so there's no
change after I changed the #4 5 fuel injectors yesterday.
Those of us who've been on this list for awhile are all familiar with the
service and prices which Rusty provides, so I won't waste any bandwidth on that
subject. Regarding the saga of my '85 300TD smoking upon cold startup, my next
venture into possibly resolving this issue was to install
Since I can't believe no dieseler on this list hasn't tried this stuff in their
diesel, I thought maybe I'd attempt to post this query again assuming that it
may have been overlooked. Has anyone on the list used Lubro Moly Valve Clean
in their W123 diesel? Before replacing the injectors in
2nd attempt at posting this:
Has anyone on the list used Lubro Moly Valve Clean in their W123 diesel?
Before replacing the injectors in #4 5 cylinders, as these were the ones
which showed low compression in the compression test which was an attempt to
get to the cause of the serious
Re: convenience
That's what the world of digits is all about. Good analog vinyl still beats
digits with tube amplification.
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Although I haven't received spam from this bozo yet, I occasionally get spam
which I've attributed to the bozos out there who mine different lists and,
since I'm only subscribed to this list, I have to assume this is where they've
obtained my Email address. Odd thing, they all seem to be
I've posted a query about this previously but didn't obtain much to look for
regarding my '85 300TD rough idle and serious smoking (white) upon cold
startup. After ~ 2 min. warmup, the idle smooths out and the smoking ceases.
Note: the car does not burn any oil, nor does it lose any coolant
Apparently many on the list don't fully read posts . . . the glow plugs and
circuit are all OK. They all measure 0.5 0.6 ohm using my Fluke 83V VOM.
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Andrew,
I have to agree with JC, but you may have to look at the neoprene bellows of
the monovalve insert with a magnifier as sometimes a pinhole or two, which may
not be visible to the unaided eye, may cause this as well. Good luck.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
Does anyone on the list have an extra 6J x 14 H 2 W123 alloy wheel which they'd
be willing to part with?
TIA.
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Yes, replace the monovalve insert. My brother had this problem with a brand
new one a couple years ago as it wouldn't activate and apparently was stuck
internally. Good luck.
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I've done two W123 dash caps and have been happy with 'em.
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Since there had been so many posts regarding this topic, I sent a JPEG pix the
other day of the dash pad installation in my '84 300D but, the last time I sent
a pix, it took Kaleb greater than a week to approve it and it was finally
posted. So, for those who want to know what the Coverlay
I agree w/RK's suggestion, unless you care for the greasy kid stuff (i.e.,
Armorall):
http://www.303products.com/
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Unless they've changed the exothermic chemistry used for automobile airbags
since Jimmy Carter's day, ask your local chemist about his/her opinion of the
stability of metallic azides.
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I believe one of the traits for those of us with old M-B diesels is cheap
genes, as I still have my Nikon F T which I purchased in '68 for $210 w/ the
Nikkor F1.4 50mm lens along with a more recent Nikon FTN both of which I don't
use as much as I used to but still do shoot film occasionally.
'bout time they developed a pleasing design as the SL had become rather ugly in
recent years . . . just an opinion.
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1. After the CC stopped working abruptly in my '84 300D (Note: laquer stripped
and resoldered 12/10/08 and had been working fine since then) during a trip
north over the holidays, I got around to installing this CC in my '85 300TD and
it didn't work there, but the one in the TD (Note: laquer
I've got an '84 300D an '85 300TD, both with the bundt style forged alloy
wheels (6J x 14 H2) and am looking into locating wheels at a recycler in order
to install a full set of snow tires. The local yard appears to have an SD
(W126) and the closest I can tell from the books I have is that
Due to a recent harrowing trip thru snowy WV, I'm considering purchasing a full
set of winter tires and recycler rims for my '84 300D. Any recommendations?
I've found that the Bridgestone Blizzaks are no longer made in 195/70-14 size.
TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
To all those who may agree with Ed McMahon and stay home on New Year's Eve as
the roads will be full of non-professional drinkers, enjoy your evening, Happy
New Year.
G. M. Brown
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I checked the brake lights and they're working fine, so I guess the next thing
to check is the speed sensor on the back of the instrument cluster. Can
someone inform me as to how to check this? TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
While travelling to PA on Wed. my '84 300D CC stopped working abruptly when I
stopped at a toll booth in WV. I've repaired three of these electronic modules
in the past via laquer stripping and resoldering the CC PC board as not all the
CC functions stopped working. In this case, non of the
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I wonder if anyone on the list has experienced something similar and might be
able to suggest a cure. The fan speeds, as governed by the upper(6th speed)
and lower(1st speed) have for about the last year or so been providing what
feels like possibly the 3rd speed(upper push button) and 1st
From the bumpers, it looks like a Euro; I believe all '84 '85 TDs imported
to the USA were turbocharged. Also from the lousy interior photo, it may not
have the dreaded PBU ACC.
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The tires I've put on both my '84 300D '85 300TD recently are Kumho Solus
KR21 P195/70 14. In my opinion, a better tire than the Michelin MXV4 which
I've used for numerous years.
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I recently saw an ad for a nice sturdy mount for my Escort radar detector in
the back of Autoweek magazine, contacted the company as their website
(http://www.blendmount.com/escort.html ) indicated that it was incompatible
with M-Bs, and I've found that it (BlendMount BBE-2000) does indeed fit
Re: lined the light chamber and the light pipes with aluminum foil, now it gets
adequately bright
I did the same in both my '84 300D '85 300TD and it makes a world of
difference.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Happy Thanksgiving folks, don't eat too much, and don't forget what the day is
supposed to be about . . . and it's NOT football.
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Two questions:
1. Looked at M-B today: 2001 silver/grey , E320, 46K miles, always garaged,
asking $8500.
2. If this has the appropriate magnetism, price to advertise '85 300D, 130K?
What do the list folks think?
TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
Some of you may remember that I have been having ACC/heat issues in my '84 300D
for the last 2-3 years. The problem was that I would get max heat at all of
the ACC PBU temperature wheel settings. I had previously switched out the
monovalve inserts, the ACC Push Button Units, and the ACC
Hood pad installed on '85 300TD.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Dan,
Yes, I had two of 'em installed about three years ago, one in the kitchen and
one in the master bath area as there was very little natural light entering
these areas. During the daytime with a clear sunny day, one needn't turn on a
light in either of these areas now.
Good luck.
G. M.
From an old post I saved from M. Booth: Put mine on with 3M 'Super Trim
Adhesive' Part Number 051135-08090
I've done both my '84 300D and '85 300TD with this stuff which is available at
NAPA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
For what this is worth, this may be a convenient source of citric acid for your
coolant system cleaning/flushing:
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1366801kw=citric+acidorigkw=citric+acidsearchId=53106054424
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
I got a kick out of the statement He was well-liked by dealers who he
persuaded to invest more than US$1bn
in recent years to upgrade their showrooms relating to the dismissal of Ernst
Lieb as CEO of Mercedes-Benz USA as dealers were informed in the mid-late '90s
to upgrade their showrooms or
I've looked thru all my workshop manuals for my '84 300D but can't seem to
locate any info. on the block heater. Does anyone know if the block heater is
thermostatically controlled?
TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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While replacing all the heater hoses on my '84 300D I dropped one of the
captive nuts which normally resides underneath the bracket for the monovalve
on/near the firewall and am hoping someone on the list may have a spare they
are willing to part with. TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
I had an experience yesterday where my '84 300D would not start and the dash
glow plug lite would not lite and, since the glow plug fuse is fine, I checked
the resistance (Fluke VOM) of the Bosch glow plugs which I installed in '06. I
found two of the plugs (#3 4) had infinite resistance so
Yeah, the original glow plugs that were in my '84 300D were Beru not Behr.
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I can't speak to the quality of the aftermarket rear window seal which Rusty
has but I can relate an episode which the Safelite folks had with an
aftermarket front windshield seal for my '84 300D last year, as it took them a
couple hours and a lot of sweat before they realized that it couldn't
Would anyone on the list happen to have a blue under dash kick panel dash
plastic screw cover. I don't really know what to call these things; they're
the little plastic clips/plugs/covers which cover the screws connecting the
under dash kick panels to the dash. Pix attached.
Thanx.
G. M.
At Rusty's suggestion, I purchased tie rod assemblies rather than just tie rod
ends from him recently and, as per his suggestion, this made the job relatively
easy on my '84 300D.
Thanx Rusty.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
I disagree; I've dealt with a fellow from the MB Classic Center on two
different occasions and have had good experiences both times.
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I wasn't aware there was an on-line EPC. Anyone got a link to an on-line EPC
for a W123?
TIA.
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HAPPY 4TH ALL.
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What do you guys know about pressure washers? What to look for? What to
avoid, besides Sears?
TIA.
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Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was
indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never
been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85
300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been
After replacing the original neutral safety switch in my '84 300D, I thought
I'd open up the original one and see if there was something obvious I could do
to repair it and keep it as a spare. Anyone BTDT? TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Does anybody on the list have one of these whit plastic plug/sockets available?
It's like the ones which plug into the 1st (glow plug indicator - blue w/white
stripe wire) socket/hole and 3rd (seat belt warning indicator - black w/green
stripe wire) socket/hole on the bottom left rear (pix)
I blew it and hit the GO button before attaching the photos so you'll know what
I'm talking about here . . . sorry
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Subject: anybody on the list have one of these available?
Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 13:17:31 -0400
Since a couple of ya' suggested that the surging CC in my '85 300TD is possibly
due to a bad ground, I checked the continuity of the brown ground wire in the
wiring harness which goes to the CC and also checked continuity to the
pertinent soldered pin on the CC PC board and continuity looks
After obtaining a '85 300TD from my brother last fall and the CC wasn't
working, I opened it up, resoldered the PC board, and got it working but hadn't
taken any trips until last week to notice this oddity. The darn thin surges
when the turn signals are in operation. Anybody got a clue?
I was finally able to install a new neutral safety switch in my '84 300D as the
original one got to a point where it would not start in P . . . only in N.
After installing the new NSS, the bloody thing now will not start in either P
or N. What's up? TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
Guys,
I finally located the neutral safety switch on my '84 300D. Now, how do I
unplug the bloody thing? I've tried prying it with a couple screwdrivers to no
avail. TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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Guys,
I believe most of us on the list are into MBs which are older than this but,
since a fellow tennis player is under the mistaken opinion that I can afford
this, I thought I'd pass it on:
IWANNA Ad
2007 Mercedes Benz E320 CDI Bluetech, Diesel, 33,361 miles, black, grey
leather,
I got this neutral safety switch recently from Rusty for my '84 300D and I
don't see anything underneath that looks like this on/near the driver's side of
the transmission. Can someone help here? TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
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I got some Biobor JF to treat the fuel in my '84 300D but there are no dilution
directions on the bottle. Anybody know? TIA.
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I recently installed new fan/drive belts on my '85 300TD '84 300D and, other
than the belt for the AC compressor being rather difficult to get on the
pulleys, I noticed somewhat of an oddity with the two belts which go to the
alternator and H2O pump in that they were slightly different
1. Yes, the belts (Continental) were ordered from Rusty.
2. They were ordered and dinstalled at different times.
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While changing oil in my '84 300D, I took a quick look under the car but didn't
see where the neutral safety switch is located . . . it certainly isn't
obvious. Anybody know? TIA.
G. M. Brown
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Re: Bad turbo seals?
If you're referring to the input seals
(http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesintakeseal_ringreplac.htm ), these were
recently replaced.
Also, the smoke is slightly bluish-white and is only excessive upon cold
startup and disappears after 5-10 min. warmup. No oil
After finally getting everything put back together, my '85 300TD is still
smoking considerably after replacing the valve stem seals. Although it may be
slightly less than before the valve stem seals replacement job, the smoking is
excessive and much worse than my '85 300D. Any clues? TIA.
After finishing the valve stem seals replacement on my '85 300TD, I noticed
some considerable cracking on the interior of the fan/drive belts and decided
to replace 'em . . . stupid move, as there must be some magic behind being able
to move the AC compressor enough to remove this drive belt.
The normal degradation in tires due to wear, road hazards, etc. are visual
but damage from sunlight (UV) can cause C=C double bond breakage and
deterioration and visible cracking of polymers and this along with heat may
cause off-gasing of internal lubricant (e.g., phthalates in vinyl dashes)
Amost done, all I've gotta' do now is adjust the #3-5 cylinder's valves and put
things back together and hopefully this may solve the excess smoking upon cold
startup on my '85 300TD.
A couple things which may be of interest to others:
1. Trimming 1/8 3/16 inch from the bottom of the
For those of you who may have done this job before, the MB workshop engine
manual indicates in step 1 of job 05-270 to Remove rocker arms with rocker arm
brackets (05-235). Other than what I consider to be the nightmare scenario of
disconnecting the cam, tying down the timing chain to the
I had the windshield replaced in my '84 300D last year by Safelight and they
tried using a generic windshield seal for which they wasted most of a day
trying to make things fit. I obtained the proper W123 gasket from the local
highly regarded indy (Euro-Spec) and then the windshield and seal
I'm still pondering whether or not I should attempt replacing the valve stem
seals on my '85 300TD and, for anyone who is familiar with this job, is the
assembly mandrel for valve stem seals tool (617 589 00 43 00) necessary or can
the seals be installed without using this special tool? TIA.
For anyone on the list who has experience replacing W123 valve stem seals, I
obtained a new set of these and before I tear into things I need to ask what
the purple spiral striped plastic tubular thingies are for as the procedure
(05-270) from the W123 engine workshop manual doesn't mention
Got a shipment yesterday of misc. stuff and decided to replace the intake seal
rings on both my '84 300D '85 300TD. As it turned out, this required most of
the afternoon as even though I used a hair dryer to heat it up the seal ring
for the intake to the air cleaner was a real BEAR.
G. M.
Kaleb,
Maybe you shoulda' bought a lottery ticket on your way home . . .
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Agreed, the asking price is too high for this vehicle especially considering
the 300K mileage. I like the exterior color as it's the same as my '84 300D,
and I recently acquired an '85 300TD from my brother w/ 178K on the odo, but
the manual heat/AC controls would be great as I'm not a big
It seems like not much has changed as I can remember speed traps in the
Rappahannock, VA area in the '60s prior to the completion of I95 which were
after military folks traveling north/south on weekends and, since I moved to
western NC and have made numerous trips to/from Pbgh., I've found
At the '95 Meadowbrook Concours d'Elegance Paul Russell's foreman informed us
that RL keeps all his cars licensed and drives each one occasionally.
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I don't know if this will go through or not, but here's a pix of Ralph Lauren's
Count Trossi SSK when Paul Russell brought it to the Meadowbrook Concours
d'Elegance in 1995.
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What am I doin' wrong? As per the instructions in the owner's manual, I pushed
a particular preset (e.g. F4) and cleared this preset by hitting the * button
which cleared the window. I then pushed F9, F1, F9 (e.g. 91.9FM) and this
particuler station is displayed, but the radio reverts to
Can someone provide a quick/dirty description of how to find/set TDC in a W123
('85 300TD)?
TIA.
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I'm outa' here for awhile - Merry Christmas Happy New Year to all.
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Jaime,
I've been on the list since Richard Sexton ran it and I also would like to see
your knowledge base continue to enlighten our list.
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Forwarded from a friend:
How to Lock Your Car and Why
I locked my car. As I walked away I heard my car door unlock. I went back and
locked my car again three times. Each time, as soon as I started to walk away,
I would hear it unlock again!! Naturally alarmed, I looked around and
Just a word (or two) about central vacs. I installed a Sears central vac in a
two story colonial back in the 80s . . . don't want to relive this even as a
nightmare. My SO at the time had invited a Kirby salesman to the house for a
free demo and rug cleaning. Since he had a clear plexiglas
I stopped by the local Advance Auto Parts store a little while ago and was told
that the Mobil 1 5W-40 synthetic diesel oil is not on sale.
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Guys, I recently purchased an '85 300TD from my brother and this car had been
previously diagnosed with valve stem seals which need replacing as there's
considerable oil smoke after startup from cold but disappears after ~ 5 min. of
running. Since I seem to recall the honorable Dr. Booth
Due to a hood repaint of my '85 300TD by a previous owner with incompatible
paint I'm considering removing the hood, stripping to bare metal, sanding,
priming , and taking the hood to a local paint guy who has agreed to paint it
for for me. Can anyone on the list direct me as to how to
Does anyone on the list have an extra white plastic piece which is under the
dash and into which the in dash temp sensor mounts and the hose connecting off
to the right. I'm only interested in this white plastic piece.
TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
Has anyone on the list replaced valve stem seals on a 617 ('85 300TD)? How
difficult a job is this?
TIA.
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I had similar success some years back when I stripped the lacquer from and
resoldered the CC PCB in my '84 300D as it's been working fine ever since and,
now that I recently acquired an '85 300TD with a spastic CC, I've done the same
with this one and tested it the other day and all functions
In case this has happened to anyone previously and you can suggest what to look
for, the Stereo lite on the Becker Grand Prix radio in my '85 TD stays on after
I turn the engine off and pull the ignition key out. I've tried turning the
radio off 1st before turning the engine off and pulling
I deserve 5 demerits! Since a couple listers seemed determined that the LF/RR
window inoperation may be due to a fuse problem. I took another look and this
time actually read the fuse diagram/layout correctly as fuse A is for the RF/LR
and fuse B is for the LF/RR windows. Well, fuse A was
Can someone direct me to where the tach is attached to the transmission on an
'85 300TD? My left front and right rear windows are inoperative and I suspect
the ice cube sized relay behind the instrument cluster but the instrument
cluster won't move far enough to allow my hand to enter. TIA.
While taking the door upholstery apart on my newly acquired '85 300TD in order
to use rust converter and undercoating/rustproofing on the interior of the
doors, I started with the LF door the other day and the electric windows for
this door and the RR door stopped working after reassembly. I
I just changed the fuse in the #12 position (electric windows) and jiggled the
wire bundle/harness in the neoprene bellows which goes through the LF door and
neither produced success when the electric window rocker was depressed. A
detail I hadn't mentioned - the RF LR electric windows
Re: If the shifter is sloppy, the plastic bushings at each end of the rod from
the shifter to the trans need to be replaced first.
The shifter is not sloppy and when I've jiggled the shifter when the car won't
start in P, no success but, since I've got numerous things which I want to
address
No cranking sometimes in P, but shifting to N the engine cranks (Note: this is
intermittent as sometimes it does this and sometimes it's fine). Location of
this switch? I've been told that one can adjust/clean this switch to possibly
correct this problem. TIA.
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC
I've been experiencing no starting in my '84 300D for the past few days when in
Park and the glow plug light has turned off but the car will start immediately
when shifted into Neutral and the ignition key turned to the start position.
Note, this is somewhat intermittent as it doesn't seem to
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