Heck, even a well built TH400 has a hard time holding up to a 4BT Cummins.
Let alone a wimpy Chrysler OD auto.
Mike
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From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [
They are all different depending on the MY but my 84 CD and 83 SD had
a 1st gear slot next to the 2nd gear..it just slid back and forth
sideways. (I think!)
I've only seen the side gate on 500/560 gassers. I like it,
but even the usual 1-2 upshift dance with the others is OK
because I can h
I've seen trannies rated on a per cylinder basis, suggesting that
there is a maximum force per power pulse that they don't want to
exceed.
Yeah, the pounding that a 4B or 6B Cummins gives a tranny is
one of the reasons Dodge has had tranny troubles over the
years. It's _not_ a Chevy 350!
-- J
Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123
> comes to mind..."
>
> One detent for both 1st and second... Why?!?
In my 300D, 1st is so low you would hardly ever want it if you're
already moving. I do occasionally drop down into "L" (2nd, if you're
alread
It has been written that:
"On a bicycle, if the transmission is in a gear that's too
high, it's not the transmission that suffers, it's the
"engine" - your legs!"
I write:
Exactly, until you input operator error. Seems that when the car doesn't go
in the high gear the accelerator is depressed
I've seen trannies rated on a per cylinder basis, suggesting that there is a
maximum force
per power pulse that they don't want to exceed. (a trans might be rated
800ft-lb with
a 8 and 600 ft-lb with a six). That said, if you watch the trans temp
(especially with an
automatic) and shift into 1
They are all different depending on the MY but my 84 CD and 83 SD had
a 1st gear slot next to the 2nd gear..it just slid back and forth
sideways. (I think!)
On 5/25/07, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 21:52:10 -0700, John wrote:
> Philip,
> on your 123, D
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 21:52:10 -0700, John wrote:
> Philip,
> on your 123, D is 4th, one notch down is 3rd.
Oh. You're right. (my automatic has been down for a while...)
What I _meant_ to say was:
"The inability to directly access 2nd in my W123
comes to mind..."
One detent for bot
Philip,
on your 123, D is 4th, one notch down is 3rd.
On 5/24/07, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/24/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel
> > engines and manual transmissions. Most failures I have
> > encountered occ
> On 5/24/07, Mike Canfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel
> > engines and manual transmissions. Most failures I have
> > encountered occured due to very high temperatures
> > generated by large amounts of torque running in high
> > gears.
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 15:38:11 -0400, Mike wrote:
> Actually Phillip, the exact opposite is true with diesel engines and manual
> transmissions.
Well, I _was_ talking about diesel engines and manual
transmissions. I presume you mean when in a car. *smile*
> Most failures I have enco
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From: "Karl Wittnebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:21 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
I have an 85 123 wagon with the regular slushbox. It has only 160K mi
on it and is still
Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> IIRC he said the reasons for not having the manual trans were that emissions
> where higher
> because people couldn't drive as smooth as the automatic, and that the manual
> would be a slug
> off the line until the turbo spooled up.
> The latter being the bigger factor.
Exactly. The bicycle is a fine example.
Mike
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From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
Is this the re
he lower the gear the better
for the tranny but the worse for everything behind the tranny.
Mike
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From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-spe
1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 11:10:51 -0400, Allan wrote:
I recall a statement on this list that Mercedes never paired a
turbodiesel motor with a manual transmission, at least not in the era
we're discussing.
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT), Curt wrote:
> I believe I remember Marshall saying this was NOT true.
> IIRC he said the reasons for not having the manual trans were that
> emissions where higher because people couldn't drive as smooth as
> the automatic, and that the manu
It seems than at Thu, 24 May 2007 11:10:51 -0400, Allan wrote:
> I recall a statement on this list that Mercedes never paired a
> turbodiesel motor with a manual transmission, at least not in the era
> we're discussing.
In the USA, I know that's true - but I recall hearing that in
Europe a turbo/
Karl,
Yes the swap is possible, but the transition is rather painful if you
plan on doing it properly. Late last Fall I did such a conversion,
albeit a 4 speed manual, into a 1980 300td. It took over 50 hours in
labor with a fully outfitted shop. Costs were high on parts as the
owner wanted i
007 10:51 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
I have an 85 123 wagon with the regular slushbox. It has only 160K mi
on it and is still going strong. I have no intention of getting rid of
the thing as it seems to improve with age.
I recently identified a gray market 300d
until the turbo spooled up.
The latter being the bigger factor.
The turbo engine doesn't have THAT much torque...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:10:51 -0400
From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc
Can't be done! Send me the flywheel, clutch parts, trans,
driveshaft and pedal assembly, along with the clutch
hydraulics. For that absolution, I'll give ya a couple of hundred bucks!
Loren (obviously green with envy)
At 09:51 AM 5/24/2007, you wrote:
I have an 85 123 wagon with the reg
atter being the bigger factor.
The turbo engine doesn't have THAT much torque...
-Curt
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:10:51 -0400
From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody ever swap a 5-speed into 123 wagon?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
Mes
Anyone ever do this before? How painful is it?
I have done it to a 190D. It was tedious, and time-consuming.
In all likelihood your car would be down for weeks. More, if
you take this (excellent) opportunity to give TLC to everything
that is now easily accessible. Mine still isn't done, reall
Allan Streib wrote:
People have put manual transmissions in W123 turbodiesels, but the
torque of the motor is more than the transmissions were designed to
handle, and they tend to break in a relatively short time.
Does it really break the tranny or does it just wear the clutch down
quickly?
May 2007 15:10:55.0511 (UTC)
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