250,000 miles.
-Curt
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:02:18 -0800
From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
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My cousin
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
Mike
On Nov 15, 2011 9:44 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
World's first series produced diesel-hybrid was just introduced by
Peugeot in the form of the 3008 Hybrid4 with 200 bhp and CO2 emission as
low as 99 g/km.
Michael Canfield wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV?
Mitch.
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That is a much more accurate description.
Mike
On Nov 17, 2011 9:15 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Michael Canfield wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
How about 'remote emissions vehicle', or REV?
Mitch.
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On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro-
or wind-power? Picking nits, I know, but here in the PNW we do get an
awful lot of our
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On Nov 17, 2011 6:08 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote:
There is no such thing as a zero emissions vehicle.
What about an all-electric vehicle where the electricity comes from hydro
against Camry and Sonata hybrids.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:29 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net writes:
My cousin sold the VW line for a decade. According to him, the cars
are great brand new, but he would advise to never buy a used one.
They have very poor long term quality. He would lease the cars for
his own use, but never buy them. Not worth the
On 15/11/2011 5:57 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in terms of fuel economy.
...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most
drivers sit idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go.
MotorTrend calls the Passat TDI the sedan of the year (or some such
foolishness) it was up against Camry and Sonata hybrids.
-Curt
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:29 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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Have you tried walking or public transit?
A vehicle is a luxury for the better off, it's got wheels, it's gonna
cost you money, stop whining.
Hendrik
who is always paying to keep machines working
I understand that part. However, I need at least one of them to be
reliable through the
Wow that was harsh!
Or funny, if you had provided a wink emoticon
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:
Have you tried walking or public transit?
A vehicle is a luxury for the better off, it's got wheels, it's gonna cost
you money, stop whining.
Hendrik
The Car is a Harsh Mistress
--R
On 11/15/11 9:00 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
Wow that was harsh!
Or funny, if you had provided a wink emoticon
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Hendrik Fayheni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:
Have you tried walking or public transit?
A vehicle is a luxury for the
Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond
Well, Hendrik is in Oz where it does not get so cold as here.
In the dead of winter, I am essentially unable or unwilling to do much
for myself. We sometimes get 2 or 3 weeks where the temperature does not
get about minus 30C. That puts stress on a vehicle and is a common time
to have issues.
: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
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How cold does it get where you are?
Randy
On 14/11/2011 7:55 PM, Curt Raymond
It would seem that an all electric car would solve several of your problems,
but Consumer Reports says the Nissan Leaf, for example, would probably
not do well in the winter where you live:
Consumer Reports tested a Leaf loaner under cold-weather driven as a daily
I don't think I am quite that modern. I like IC engines.
There are lots of Prius around here as they are used for taxi cabs. They
must produce reasonable heat in the cold weather but I assume the
mileage is not quite like it would be in summer.
Randy
On 15/11/2011 1:12 PM, Gerry Archer
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes:
There are lots of Prius around here as they are used for taxi
cabs. They must produce reasonable heat in the cold weather but I
assume the mileage is not quite like it would be in summer.
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly
Allan Streib wrote:
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in terms of fuel economy.
...except when stopped. The hybrids excel in situations where most drivers sit
idling, or where there's a lot of stop and go.
Mitch.
add a battery heater.
Webasto even makes a key fob activated diesel fired heater. Truckers deal
with these problems all the time...
-Curt
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:31:07 -0600
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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So why not put a Diesel in instead of a gasser, and reap the benefits
of both! ;)
Walt
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib wrote:
A modern diesel in a similar sized car will significantly better a Prius
in terms of fuel economy.
...except when
Exactly!!! Why won't they listen to us?
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote:
So why not put a Diesel in instead of a gasser, and reap the benefits
of both! ;)
Walt
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
Allan Streib
, could have
transferred it from car to car.
-Curt
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:00:13 -0500
From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
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World's first series produced diesel-hybrid was just introduced by Peugeot in
the form of the 3008 Hybrid4 with 200 bhp and CO2 emission as low as 99 g/km.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Diesel-Hybrid-Cars-Poised-for-Growth-in-Europe-223079.shtml
Gerry
The diesel powertrain produces a power
I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.
The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a lost cause?
There has to be a time when a
A lost cause means owning a declining asset. I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell
I think all of my cars would be considered lost causes by
normal people.
The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.
I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in the driveway.
But, they are as much a hobby
There is another way to look at it. Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.
If a penny saved is a penny earned then I am earning about
The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of
car that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is
essentially reliable (i.e., won't strand you somewhere due to
catastrophic failure), then throwing a few bucks at it now and again,
and some fix-it time, is not
On 14/11/2011 11:12 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote:
A lost cause means owning a declining asset. I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe they
will probably hold their own in value due to their great practicality and
comparative scarcity.
On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
I think all of my cars would be considered lost causes by
normal people.
The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The 300SD is tapping my finances in
a death by 1,000 cuts, and I haven't sorted out the ACC yet.
I have a VW Vanagon project languishing in
My 83 300d is just as, or more, reliable than a new car.
Mike
On Nov 14, 2011 1:00 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
On 14/11/2011 11:21 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
I think all of my cars would be considered lost causes by
normal people.
The 300D needs a front-end rebuild. The
On 14/11/2011 11:22 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
There is another way to look at it. Take a $1500 Benz, put a few hundred
into making it safe, dependable and nice to ride in and start counting how
much you save over making car payments and paying higher insurance for the
newer car.
If a penny
I have a son who will soon be buying his first car, which, if I have any input,
will be a decent W123 or W126 chassis.
Why? A number of reasons:
1.) The acquisition cost. A young person with a few thousand $$ and minimal
income can't afford anything remotely late model that isn't a beater
Randy Bennell wrote:
I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it
comes to vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as
I tend to fall into that category to a great extent myself.
Beaters-R-Us!
The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
lost
Simple point: There are two values to be considered.
1. Resale value. If you buy and make payments on a NEW vehicle, the resale
value declines from the moment you take possession. The more you make
payments [thus own it] the lower the value as it gets use and age. A
USED vehicle, such as many
, November 14, 2011 11:58 AM
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I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.
The question for you
On 14/11/2011 12:54 PM, Fmiser wrote:
The question for you is essentially, when do you call it a
lost cause?
Easy! When the cost exceeds the value. Oh, but cost can be
tricky 'cause it's not just money but time, confidence,
irritation, dependability, etc. And value is hard to pin down
too -
] A lost cause?
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A lost cause means owning a declining asset. I don't expect to retire from
the proceeds of disposing of my W123 wagons, but then again I believe
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:06:10 -0600
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I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend to fall
into that category to a great extent myself.
The question
Greg Fiorentino wrote:
In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD. I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.
I've never seen a used TDI that I'd consider paying the advertised price for.
Now if I wanted to buy a new car
On 14/11/2011 3:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:
In my case the tipping point was reached when SWMBO decided she wanted a
21st. century vehicle to replace the '79 300TD. I found a nice 2003 Jetta
TDI for her.
Greg
I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a
beater. She
On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
My car is too old and too nice to subject it to our winters.
And, the old diesels do not start like the newer ones when it gets
really cold. Double batteries might help but even then, I believe I
Randy Bennell wrote:
I understand that point too. My good wife has no desire to drive a
beater. She may well be prepared to drive her current car into the
ground, but she does not wish to start out with a junker.
http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/cto/2676416497.html
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The issue is more reliability I think -- if you have a beater sort of
car that takes a bit of work and parts to keep running, but is
essentially reliable (i.e., won't strand you
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I know that many of you are essentially bottom feeders when it comes
to
vehicles, and I mean no disrespect when I say that as I tend
David wrote:
I have never bought a new car, or one that is less than 3 years old.
Segue to age of vehicles driven - sorta...
Today, I drive a 1984 240D with clutch - 27 years old.
We drove the rusted 1975 Chevy Nova to the junk yard in 2006 - 31 years old.
When we married in 1974, I purchased a
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
My car is too old and too
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On 14/11/2011 3:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
Harumph, this is what block heaters are for...
-Curt
My car is too old and too nice
OK Don wrote:
A new TDI is under consideration, but I hate to not have an MB - so the
cheapest C class is also in consideration. I do wish they sold the C class
in the US with a CDI engine ---
If they've got a C63, why can't they give us a C420 CDI?
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-Curt
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:59:28 -0600
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One word: rust. Too much rust, time to move on.
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:32:00 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:
In 1984 when the family had numerous kids, we drove a 1974 VW
Transporter - 19 years old.
There is something wrong with this sentence. A typo for 19?
Seems opposite to what seems practical, but I don't see any cars
Amen to that.
Luther KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'87 300SDL (318,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
On 11/14/2011 9:02 PM, Max wrote:
One word: rust. Too much rust, time to move on.
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I fully got the point Andrew.
Just had to make the choice with Gump a few months ago. Now I have to review
that choice when looking at a R107. Same batch of parts I already have and
will probably end up with many of the same issues I had with Gump.
Letting go of Gump, a 72 220D was a real
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