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How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral -
for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod?
That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake.
That's old enough that the pump/motor is probably well
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Three thoughts. With a 240v the max voltage to ground is still 120v; the
240v only exists across the two power lines. But the current (for same hp
pump) would be halved, resulting in lower voltage drop. Second, I think you
said
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How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral -
for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod?
That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake.
That's old enough that the pump
Robinson
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Make sure to bond the copper water lines to the ground at the main panel.
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I believe it is grounded to the panel as there is an electric hot water tank
and I know there is a ground clamp on
the pipe at the tank and a wire running back to panel from that ground clamp.
Randy
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If the feeder to the panel is four wire and the neutral and ground separate
be set to run on either
voltage.
Randy
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If the feeder to the panel
to complete the circuit for the
clock.
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How about an outbuilding
far so good but I still wonder about more grounding.
Randy
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OH... here's
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Interesting. I have a similar sensation if not scenario. I have never received
a shock from the pump but have
Probably a really fine idea - sort of like Marshall and the MB - new fuses.
Randy
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his body was serving to complete the circuit for the
clock.
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Probably a really fine idea - sort of like Marshall and the MB - new fuses.
Randy
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You know, I can understand in emergency situations telling someone this
isn't correct but you can
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Oh, punching in 120V X 150' (one way) voltage drop calculator says s/b
minimum #6 cu
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Does your response suggest that you think it would work better to run 240V
the first seat belt
buzzers on car seats.
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I do wonder how well
It seems than at Tue, 18 Dec 2007 15:44:36 -0500, Timothy wrote:
I'd hate to think you'd touck the pump motor someday and the
path of lease resistance to ground was through you.
That's what GFI (Ground Fault Interrupt) is for. It is
monitoring the current flowing out, vs the current
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Does your response suggest that you think it would work better to run 240V?
That would mean changing the line I
guess to triplex but that might be a good plan anyway. Have
Tim wroteI admit that I'm quite anal retentive compulsive/obsessive
What scares me are the folks doing that work who are not that way. Take the
guy who did much of the work on my house, for instance. Or maybe I should say
take him, please so he doesn't do any more work around here.
Timothy Robinson wrote:
Interesting note, if this was 50 years ago the lake house was wired, at that
time often metal water lines were used as a primary ground ond a driven
ground didn't exist. I've encountered such houses where at some time water
lines were replaced and NO ground exists. Most
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How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral -
for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod?
That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake.
That's old enough that the pump/motor is probably well-grounded
through the metal pipe to the water. Unless somebody has
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Tim wroteI admit that I'm quite anal retentive compulsive
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How about an outbuilding with only 2 wire service - hot and neutral -
for 120V? Should I also have a ground rod?
That is the situation with the pumphouse at the lake.
That's old enough
Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking that there
should be a connection from the generator
frame to a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and either
keeping a ground wire on it all of the
time or setting up something that would permit a quick ground
It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote:
Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking
that there should be a connection from the generator frame to
a good ground. I have considered driving a ground rod in and
either keeping a ground wire on it all of the
So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house,
that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I
should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding?
Allan
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It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R
Allan Streib wrote:
So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in my house,
that outbuilding should not have a ground rod on *its* panel, but I
should instead extend a ground from my house to the outbuilding?
Yep! Ground and neutral should also be kept separate until the main
Would that not invite the lightening strike on your outbuilding to
enter your house rather than be dissipated at the point of impact?
The path of least resistance is your house.
Is that a good thing?
-Dave Walton
On Dec 17, 2007 4:44 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, if I have an
, 2007 3:14 PM
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It seems than at Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:56:47 -0600, R wrote:
Should the generator itself be grounded? I can't help thinking
that there should be a connection from the generator frame to
a good ground. I have
One ground for one service drop.
The NEC and other standards dictate that there be one
ground point common to a drop. Multiple grounds
create real havoc within the system, not to mention
the potential (no pun intended) for some serious
damage in a fault or lightning situation.
Dan (with 20
Lightening is nothing if not unpredictable.
Would you settle for a frame ground at the remote generator site that
is not connected to neutral?
-Dave Walton
On Dec 17, 2007 4:58 PM, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One ground for one service drop.
The NEC and other standards dictate that there
Actually, I stand corrected. I just pulled out some
of my old NEC manuals, and since a generator is
considered a power source in it's own right, it has to
be grounded separately. (head slap - I knew this, it's
been 10 years since I've done it)
In systems up to 400A 3 phase the neutrals can be
Actually, I stand corrected. I just pulled out some
of my old NEC manuals, and since a generator is
considered a power source in it's own right, it has to
be grounded separately. (head slap - I knew this, it's
been 10 years since I've done it)
In systems up to 400A 3 phase the neutrals can be
is considered a
sub-service and there should be a driven ground.
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Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:44:32 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Generator Question
IIRC, the old two wire housewiring systems, without a third wire, specified
a ground rod at an outbuilding panel, for example. What was the theory
behind that?
Gerry
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Allan Streib wrote:
So, if I have an outbuilding, wired into my main panel in
During the 1990s a new rule in the Code specified that the ground rod should
be tied to the rebar in the buildings concrete slab. This rule was added
about the time our house was built and I'm not sure if the electrician did
that. Do you know the reason for that rule?
Here in the lightning
The rebar in the concrete disperses better than an 8 foot rod hammered
into the ground.
Thanks, Tom
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