Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-31 Thread Randy Bennell
The one thing you did not mention, was that as Captain on this monster landing in the dark and the snow storm, your life is on the line along with that of the passengers. Hopefully, you are not the gambling sort and wish to live to fly again another day. RB On 30/03/2015 5:45 PM, G Mann

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-31 Thread Rich Thomas
And the pilots are the first ones at the scene of the crash. --R On 3/31/15 10:52 AM, Randy Bennell wrote: The one thing you did not mention, was that as Captain on this monster landing in the dark and the snow storm, your life is on the line along with that of the passengers. Hopefully,

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread WILTON
Your good, your good. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale It Depends --R On 3

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Rich Thomas
It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Rich Thomas
: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Curly McLain
It Depends --R On 3/30/15 7:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! Everyone throw rotten tomatoes at Rich! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread WILTON
Or a urinal in the cockpit, or pee tubes as in days of yore - B-47's, for example. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 7:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Max Dillon
Adult diapers could have prevented this whole thing! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed money before they can go to work for a budget airline where they will be paid only $20,000 or so per year initially. Gerry P.S. Did you ever

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss dies down, airlines will go back to their old ways. Student pilots often spend huge amounts of borrowed

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread G Mann
Come to the airport Andrew.. I'll demonstrate it to you... Back in the day when there were wooden ships and iron men. Something you missed in your education. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty.

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Mitch Haley
arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: This is a rare type of accident. Accident? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread WILTON
Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale Not sure what that means but it sounds pretty nasty. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, arche

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread WILTON
No; never tried to look up one. Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale This is a rare type of accident. When the fuss

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread OK Don
True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the Air France accident over the Atlantic - where they think a sensor iced over and was giving bad readings. The computer can't keep you in the air with bad data. All of these large aircraft are too many small parts flying in close formation.

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Peter Frederick
Oh, they arrived all right. Probably never gonna fly that particular plane out again though. Something strange happened, it's not like winter weather is an unusual event in Halifax, nor is an Air Canada A320 landing in a snowstorm. I'm sure there is more to the story than we have heard

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread G Mann
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust the automatic controls? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: True Andrew, however Grant's point is more relevant to the

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread WILTON
: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale But if you're making an approach in the dark and can't see 10' in front of the cockpit due to blizzard like conditions wouldn't it be wise to trust the automatic controls? On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:23 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: True Andrew

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread G Mann
Andrew, You play the part of Pilot In Command for a bit.. You are responsible for the lives of 200 people on board, perhaps $200,000 worth of cargo in the hold, an airplane valued at $70,000,000.00, and your reputation as Captain, which took you 15 yrs of long hours and hard work to get. Now..

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread OK Don
What they said -- There are old pilots, and bold pilots, but no old, bold pilots. On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 5:26 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Amen and AaMen... On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 3:24 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Divert. Spending the rest of the night somewhere else

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread clay
Speaking of wooden ships, and climate change There are no longer enough of the big old trees around for the construction of the mighty sailing ships. Trees are too tiny to provide masts without glueing them together. Used to be you needed a mast, limp into a suitable harbor with trees,

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-30 Thread clay
This is why I am not at all interested in using Google cars or other human devoid vehicles. Computers only do what they are told. Garbage in, garbage out, and human error writing the code. Rich was able to provide an example of pilot error, but the pilots were making choice and did not

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-29 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
So the computer in the Germanwings disaster was listening to a human and if left alone would not hav e crashed the plane. Perhaps we need MORE technology and less reliance on potential human error. On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Rich, Nice bit of aviation

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-29 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
Fascinating! This group needs more in person tales like this, and like Wiltons. Gerry Rich Thomas wrote: So back when I was in kawledge I had summer internships at NASA Langley. One summer I was in the Flight Research Division, having worked the previous summer in the Flight Simulation

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-29 Thread G Mann
Rich, Nice bit of aviation history. While I salute your well earned hard work in all the FBW software, as a pilot I still hesitate to give command of the airplane over to a machine that runs on tiny bits of electrical signal.. There is simply to much that can fail or render a false signal which

Re: [MBZ] Bad week for A-320 -- A Langley Tale

2015-03-29 Thread Rich Thomas
So back when I was in kawledge I had summer internships at NASA Langley. One summer I was in the Flight Research Division, having worked the previous summer in the Flight Simulation Division, wherein the aircraft being simulated I was then working on in the real world. The primary aircraft