Phillip,
simple solution for you:
don't roll stop signs. ;-)
seriously; modern ceramics aren't the problem you seem to think they
are (even if you *do* run stops).
and yes, we often run for hundreds of miles at a time; due to the
zero-clearance design of disc brakes, pads are
Upgrade your brakes :)
-Rolf
ernest breakfield wrote:
unless you consider the fact that they don't fade away under extended
mountain descents a change in performance; that's a change i
personally welcome!)
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huh?
seems you mis-read and/or misunderstood; i was saying that i find i
don't experience fading when using ceramic pads. why would i upgrade
from something that works? ;-)
cheers!
e
Rolf wrote:
Upgrade your brakes :)
-Rolf
ernest breakfield wrote:
unless you consider the fact
So it can work better of course. What car?
-Rolf
ernest breakfield wrote:
huh?
seems you mis-read and/or misunderstood; i was saying that i find i
don't experience fading when using ceramic pads. why would i upgrade
from something that works? ;-)
cheers!
e
Rolf wrote:
Upgrade
Rolf,
thanks, mate, but while we might be able to make things Better,
things are already well into the realm of Good Enough.
no need to solve a problem that doesn't exist. ;-)
cheers!
e
Rolf wrote:
So it can work better of course. What car?
-Rolf
ernest breakfield wrote:
It seems than at Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:38:28 -0700, ernest wrote:
succinct, perhaps, but questionable...
it's not likely that anyones first stop of the day is
going to be when doing 70 in traffic,
I do - if I roll through the stop sign 0.1 miles from the end of
my driveway. 25 miles to the
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From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Not my experience. McParts pads wear fast, are hard as rocks, and require
excessive pedal pressure
Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special
tool I was told I need.
I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me
the 190D needs to be parked until the brakes get replaced. The only
damage I saw to a rotor was the drivers side rear which had a
, 2008 1:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special
tool I was told I need.
I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday and it seems to me
the 190D needs to be parked
Zoltan Finks wrote:
But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the
rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they
are hooked via cable to the emergency brake.
The older cars have drum parking brakes inside the disks, I thought the W201/124
did too.
Good for you.
All i have ever used is a crapsman 5/16 x 8 screwdriver to squeeze
between the rotor and the old pad. Front and rear. Don't know if
the 201 has different rears. The ATE calipers are easy. my 124
front has girling and they are not so easy. I can't remember what i
had to do
: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 16, 2008 1:08 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Thanks for the great input, guys. I have a question regarding a special
tool I was told I need.
I pulled off the wheels the day before yesterday
Was surprised to see that that very little or no hardware came with
them.
Normal. You don't need any hardware.
But he also told me I need a tool to compress the calipers on the
rear. Otherwise I will ruin the calipers. He says this is because they
are hooked via cable to the emergency brake.
you know this concern is just stupidity, right? i mean, maybe one might
argue that for some very brief time on a cold day, the akebono's aren't as
good as good old pagid, but to translate this into some formula of these
brakes won't stop you unless warmed up is ridiculous.
the akebono ceramics
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From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
you know this concern is just stupidity, right? i mean, maybe one might
argue that for some very brief time on a cold day
OK - next time I call in and order brake pads, sell me these instead
of the usual Pagids - and tell Tom.
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have Akebono brake pads on all of my cars and they are absolutely the best
pads I have ever used. They brake just
what if you can't get them hot enough in time and that group of kids is
getting on teh school bus in front of you?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:44 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK - next time I call in and order brake pads, sell me these instead
of the usual Pagids - and tell Tom.
On Wed,
That's what the steering wheel is for ---
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
what if you can't get them hot enough in time and that group of kids is
getting on teh school bus in front of you?
--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
There are only three sports:
And what if they tested the pads to make sure they work for Mr Average
Bozo, you know they'd have their ass sued off if these pads are so
dangerous...don't you think?
I don't really think they would the public loose on the roads with
racing padsor would they?
Hendrik
thinking
.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
And what if they tested the pads
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here in the states, you are perfectly welcome to put racing pads on
your car. The box will be clearly marked, absolving the manufacturer
of any responsibility.
Ever notice how many parts in the JC Whitney and similar catalogs are
marked for off road use
Exactly.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 10:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL
Close, but different. The /2 and prior had the single leading
edge. They would hold you from going backwards on a hill. I had 1
69 R50/2 with Earles fork. Those could lock up if the drum got a
little rusty, as in rainy weather.
At 10:27 PM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
Sounds exactly like my
Yeah, And on the west coast, you probably have different vendors. I
have had very good pads from all the parts stores in the
Midwest. Not saying that something from WayC Jitney could not be
oddball either, as they have a reputation for selling some oddball
things, and anywhere from very
Buy the least expensive pads from McParts. Oreilly, AUtozone,
Advance, and NAPA all have house brand inexpensive pads. I use NAPA
or oreilly. Fronts generally run $16-$20.
Expensive pads wear out your rotors. SO next time, you have to
replace pads and rotors.
Unless you are racing, not
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 1:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Buy the least expensive pads from McParts. Oreilly, AUtozone,
Advance, and NAPA all have house brand inexpensive pads. I use NAPA
- From: Zoltan Finks
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Okay, this will reveal that I an considering going to a McParts (thought I
did try to call Rusty a couple times and he must
Cullens
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Okay, this will reveal that I an considering
] Brake Pad Question
Okay, this will reveal that I an considering going to a McParts (thought
I
did try to call Rusty a couple times and he must have been swamped, and I
had to go).
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic brake pads.
I called the local Schucks (theyre
, October 14, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Okay, this will reveal that I an considering going to a McParts (thought I
did try to call Rusty a couple times and he must have been swamped, and I
had to go).
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic brake pads.
I called
Buy Akebono from Rusty. No squeal, no dust, great braking and they don't eat
rotors.
Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax 770-454-9745
I'll second that! I put the Akebono pads on my Wife's Infiniti, replacing the
cheapo pads from who-knows-where, and they are fantastic.
-
From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Oct 14, 2008 2:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Buy the least expensive pads from McParts. Oreilly, AUtozone,
Advance, and NAPA all have house brand inexpensive pads. I use NAPA
or oreilly
Okay, this will reveal that I an considering going to a McParts (thought I
did try to call Rusty a couple times and he must have been swamped, and I
had to go).
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic brake pads.
I called the local Schucks (theyre called Checker where I come
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic brake
pads.
Longer pad life, shorter rotor life?
-- Jim
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i find that it's not how much pads cost that determines their wear rate
and how fast they wear rotors, but their hardness (or lack thereof).
the ceramics are nice in that they don't dust and don't fade as much
under extreme and/or extended braking. downside is that they *may* wear
rotors
All that is yours! BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE! Aside from the
luxurious long life pads and worn out rotors, you will also get to
see, with your own eyes, dollar bills flitting from your wallet!
At 07:54 PM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic
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Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:55 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question
Remind me what the difference is that I will see with ceramic brake
pads.
Longer pad life, shorter rotor life?
-- Jim
Hardness is generally related to price, with hard pads lifetime
costing more. The cheap pads generally last well over 100k. I have
not seen any poor quality brake pads in decades.
Put the ceramics in if you are racing. Put the cheap ones in if you
are just driving to work or across
Or when some jackass spins out and crashes on the inner city
interstate when the traffic is running 70.
In my humble opinion, brake pads that require warmup should stay on
the race track, they are LETHAL in ordinary driving.
Peter
On Oct 14, 2008, at 8:32 PM, ernest breakfield wrote:
i
Three Cheers for Peter! my point, but much more succinct!
At 09:14 PM 10/14/2008, you wrote:
Or when some jackass spins out and crashes on the inner city
interstate when the traffic is running 70.
In my humble opinion, brake pads that require warmup should stay on
the race track, they are
Peter Frederick wrote:
In my humble opinion, brake pads that require warmup should stay on
the race track, they are LETHAL in ordinary driving.
The question in my mind is whether Brake Pad Set ACT Ceramic from Bimby have
markedly lower friction when cold.
Mitch.
Sounds exactly like my experiences with the '62 R69S I had -- except
that even with the Metzler tire on the rear, I went down if I forgot
to carefully warm up and dry out the front brake.
At lest I had the Earls fork (?) front suspension - the front didn't nose dive.
My R75/5 has the fantabulous
hi Loren!
we seem to have had very different experiences; i've seen cheap hard
pads, and they are typically the same pads that don't work well enough
that i'd bet my life on them.
don't be mistaken that i might have been recommending ceramic pads
for anyone/everyone; they're great for
succinct, perhaps, but questionable...
it's not likely that anyones first stop of the day is going to be
when doing 70 in traffic, and due to the zero-clearance design of disc
brakes, once pads are over their initial warmup it would take many
dozens of miles in temps too cold to be safely
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