Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-29 Thread Bill R
:16 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia How many die because of access to medical treatment? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Sunday

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia - medical mistakes

2008-12-29 Thread Bill R
sick people. BillR -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:10 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia I

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-28 Thread Lee Einer
LarryT wrote: You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's worst Actually, it's illegal - signs are posted openly throughout the hospital - near ER, REception, on every floor in hallways - etc - only a blind person would

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-28 Thread Scott Ritchey
How many die because of access to medical treatment? -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Lee Einer Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 09:37 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-28 Thread OK Don
I don't remember the numbers, and Don;t know if they are true, but there is the story going around the Internet that states that X number of people are killed by guns each year, and Y number are killed by doctors, where XY, so doctors are more dangerous than guns. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 3:16 PM,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-28 Thread Tom Hargrave
-Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia I don't remember the numbers

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2008-12-28 Thread OK Don
In my limited, non-scientific experience, I'd rate the number of doctors and hand gun owners about equal in those that I do NOT feel safe around. There a re good an bad examples of each. Some people just can't be trusted, regardless of whether they have a SW or an MD. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:10

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-28 Thread Tom Hargrave
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia In my limited, non-scientific experience, I'd rate the number of doctors and hand gun owners about equal in those that I do NOT feel safe around. There a re good an bad examples of each. Some people just

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread OK Don
Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Yes

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. Does Moore have this incident on film, or just the mother's claim that she was turned

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
OK Don wrote: Yes - if he couldn't pay, they are required to provide care. The guy I knew who stitched up his own cuts did it because he didn't want to waste time going to the doctor or hospital I can do it as well as they can. That's why I cleaned and butterflied my own hand this summer. I

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Lee Einer
Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because she was Kaiser HMO and the nearest hospital was out of network. She begged for them to take care of her baby and they called the cops. By the time the child was transported to an in network

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Superglue works great, leaves very little scarring it you get the sides all lined up properly. Not a good idea on very deep cuts though, as you may need more than just sticking the skin back together. Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Peter Frederick
Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders, and in the new Ayn Randism world, this is all they are supposed to do. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Lee Einer wrote: Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread E M
I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut bits butted up together, but to get the two edges kinda upright, and pulled together. I'm told, if they are butted up and stitched,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Lee Einer
Cyanoacrylate glue was originally developed for wound closure, and only later became a household fixit material. Lee E M wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. A good doc friend of mine tells me, the knack to a good stitch is not to get the two cut

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread OK Don
Yes - that is true, though I don't know exactly where and for what they use it. Might be gluing the cut ends of arteries together? On Sat, Dec 13, 2008 at 3:45 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: I've heard, not sure if true, Superglue is used during some surgeries. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread E M
I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was lucky, in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using superglue, I was able to make a near perfect fix. Ok, so I broke the retaining tangs getting the lens out (amazing how many parts on a Benz are similar to those

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Peter Frederick wrote: Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand. I felt lucky to get it taped up and straight without wasting any more butterflies than I did. With glue, it's got to be right the first time.

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Rich Thomas
You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot (someone told me and I forgot how), but does the same thing. Just make sure it is only sticking together what you want stuck together. --R OK Don wrote: Yes - that is

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread E M
This post applies equally to broken turn signals as it does fingers. lol Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Peter Frederick wrote: Often works better if someone else does the gluing though. Especially when the hole is in the back of your dominant hand. I felt lucky to get

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Allan Streib
If it happened as described, it sounds like the hospital did the wrong thing. There are a lot of unanswered questions in my mind but I'll leave it at that. However, I'd wager than in any government-operated heath care plan, such horror stories also can be found, and in greater numbers. Look at

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Allan Streib
Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net writes: Insurance companies exist to produce profits for their stockholders, and in the new Ayn Randism world, this is all they are supposed to do. Yes. They are businesses. They provide a service their customers want, and generate a profit for

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Jim Cathey
I punched a small hole in a turn signal with a flying pebble. I was lucky, in that the broken piece of lens was lodged inside, so using superglue, I was able to make a near perfect fix. I've never had cyanoacrylate glue hold up on turn signal lenses. It gets white and powdery in the sun.

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any thickeners or preservatives. ___

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: You can buy that stuff at the drug store for patching up your bod, it is somehow different from the superglue at Home Depot The way I heard it, the medical grade stuff is pure CA, without any

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread E M
I found a big difference when between using Superglue with, and without pressure for the first minute when it's setting up on plastic. I also found, it works equally well with, or without pressure on fingers. I didn't really need that bit of flesh anyway. Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Rich Thomas

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. I may have said that here. It's what a friend who used to work in a medical research lab told me. He carried the medical stuff in his first aid kit, either swiped from the university or purchased from the university

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
Well, I guess if Moore defamed the hospital (and possibly Kaiser) that turned the child away they would have sued and made him cut that scene from the movie. Hendrik Lee Einer wrote: Michael Moore's claim, and the mother's, was legit. The mother was turned away with her dying child because

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. Perhaps that is one thing I am trying to understand, does pure capitalism turn society into a cold and uncaring machine that ONLY worships money and

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Wonko the Sane
Here is pure capitalism. Fortunately, the US isn't really capitalistic these days. http://www.raken.com/American_wealth/Gilded_age_index4.asp If you can get it down there rent Blazing Saddles. It is a comedy but somehow gives a true flavor of the great days of the railroad barons. On Sat, Dec

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: Of course mistakes are made but turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake, it's capitalism at it's worst. It's likely just someone without a very good brain following policy. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread LarryT
://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia Of course mistakes are made but turning

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
Good brain or not if the policy is in place.. This leads on to the question of litigation, if that woman can prove that due to the inaction of Hospital A her child died, would she have recourse to seek compensation? Then there is the question of the hypocratic oath that Doctors must

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Just like in college,. my buddy was a pharmacy major and would grab a bottle of the med grade grain alcohol on a Friday afternoon. Much better for the cabeza on Saturday morning. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: Maybe you were the one who reported that previously. I may have

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Hendrik Fay
So perhaps we can surmise that they did not think the child was in need of emergency medical treatment, oooh it's only a slight temperature, she'll be fine. Hendrik LarryT wrote: You wrote turning away a very sick person because of insurance issues is not a mistake it's capitalism at it's

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-13 Thread Fmiser
E wrote: I found a big difference when between using Superglue with, and without pressure for the first minute when it's setting up on plastic. I also found, it works equally well with, or without pressure on fingers. I didn't really need that bit of flesh anyway. I believe moisture

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I need to find out more details as to if they are getting rid of the whole thing and shutting it down, or just shutting it down for us to be able to service. If they are not completely shutting it down, Im going to look into buying the equipment myself and run it independent. Fmiser wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Ed Booher
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: are talking about a MASSIVE problem for these dealers. They have switched everything over to where we (I) and collecting photos and info about their inventory, which then gets fed to all the various websites. Its a

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Ed Booher
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: You know how to take the photos and list the cars. You know what works and what doesn't. And you know the people at the dealers. Perfect situation! Independent operator coin has two sides, though. Employee status is probably

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Rich Thomas
That is one of those little houses you see on construction sites. -R Ed Booher wrote: all you have to do is step up and be Johnny on the spot. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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2008-12-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on That is one of those little houses you see on construction sites. -R Ed Booher wrote: all you have to do is step up and be Johnny on the spot. EdB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Michael E. Esh
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on Usually in blue plastic or fiberglass? The original that I grew up with was all wood, of course, and painted white. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: That is one of those little houses you see on construction sites. http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/So_Hows_Your_Day_Going.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
. 'Can't imaging so many all going at once. Wilton - Original Message - From: Michael E. Esh michael...@charter.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on Was that a 1 or 2 holer. My

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-12 Thread Rich Thomas
: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on Was that a 1 or 2 holer. My grandpa's was a two holer but I always used it as single. I remember one time during an apple fight with my cousins someone smacked the side of the outhouse with a large apple. We learned granpa was inside when the apple exploded

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2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
The crux of the problem is cost, dealers are feeling the pinch and the only way to make this work is to gain maximum exposure for minimal outlay and reduce costs to them, not increase it. The way I look at it, Kaleb has to convince dealers that he can advertise their stock better/cheaper than

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2008-12-12 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
No, its better than that, its all setup to send to whatever websites the dealers wants its sent to, and it goes there automatically everyday. I dont have to push any buttons. I am starting to develop a more complete picture of what is going on here though. I do not think they are shutting

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state of the health system in the US, I remember when Kaleb told us he was gonna get the boot, that health insurance was big worry and I thought to myself then how bizarre this is. Over here if you lose your job,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state of the health system in the US Michael Moore is a radical left wing loon. Don't base any opionions on what you saw there, he is definitely presenting only

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Nothing Michael Moore says is of any interest to me---the guy is a self-promoting blowhard who makes the American left look even dumber than it manages to do itself---but, Hendrik, you may not realize that health care is a real political hot potato in the USA. Is the ban on politics on the list

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread E M
There is no such thing as free health care, anywhere. Ed 300E 2008/12/12 Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state of the health system in the US, I remember when Kaleb told us he was gonna get the boot, that

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik Fay wrote: I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state of the health system in the US, Don't make the mistake of thinking that Michael Whore creates documentaries based upon facts. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread LWB250
: Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 6:38 PM I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
This is not about Michael Moore and whatever he may or may not be but it is about health care and whether you are happy that it is a political thing, instead of being a fundamental right of every citizen. Are you happy to pay 120 bucks for an inhaler which is sold in Cuba for 5 cents? Are you

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
No there is not but the user pays system does not appear to be working, as promised. Hendrik who got the family health care card in the mail yesterday, when did you get yours? E M wrote: There is no such thing as free health care, anywhere. Ed 300E

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik Fay wrote: Are you happy to pay 120 bucks for an inhaler which is sold in Cuba for 5 cents? Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your health care insurance? Are you happy to repeat lies as

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
It's a delicate balance for the drug companies. For every successful drug, many formulas are developed and tested, and fail to achieve the hoped-for results. If they could not make a profit from the successful ones, they would not be in business and then the drug would never be developed. My

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread John Robbins
Hendrik Fay wrote: Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your health care insurance? I'm all for free health care, but hospitals aren't allowed to refuse emergency treatment to anyone. As soon as

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
And you're saying that Moore made these people lie? So why has he not been sued for slander by the companies he attacked? Some of them come off looking pretty evil. So if I was living in the states and had insurance with health provider XYZ, I can take my very sick kid to the nearest hospital

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
In spite of what the others are telling you, Michael Moore is the Moses of America 2008. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote: I watched that Michael Moore movie Sicko last night and was quite shocked by the state of the health system in the US, I remember

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Wonko the Sane
Ok, joking aside, Hendrik, here's the deal as I see it. The health care industry has the Legislative Branch in their hip pockets due to lobbying and campaign contributions. In fact, drug companies were the #1 contributer to re-election coffers in the US last year. I am a retired military officer,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
Ahh right now I understand, in the movie Moore makes mention of people getting dumped outside welfare shelters in hospital gowns. So the poor get the most basic of care and then get dumped, once the hospital figures out they got no way of paying the bill. What I mean by best is the ability of

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Wilton Strickland
@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia Ok, joking aside, Hendrik, here's the deal as I see it. The health care industry has the Legislative Branch in their hip pockets due to lobbying and campaign contributions

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2008-12-12 Thread OK Don
One of the basic differences is whether health care is a right or a privilege. Many believe it is a privilege - I know very good doctors, who even do free work sometimes, who believe it's a privilege, not a right. Another issue is our belief in our individual right to choose - a doctor, a

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread OK Don
Yes - the current administrations treatment of our military is despicable. We'll see if the new one does any better. On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Wilton Strickland wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Wonko, at 65, you'll go on Medicare with everybody else, but Tricare-for-life (retired military ins)

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
John Robbins je...@msstate.edu writes: Someone who has no health insurance goes to the ER to get medicine for their cold... how much cheaper would it be to send them to a standard doctor? I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy with a $10K deductible and pay the

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes: So if I was living in the states and had insurance with health provider XYZ, I can take my very sick kid to the nearest hospital run by the ABC health insurance company and they will treat my child and bill XYZ for the treatment? Most likely. If

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: In spite of what the others are telling you, Michael Moore is the Moses of America 2008. Michael Moore is a big fat idiot. (To turn a phrase by Al Franken). Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes: One of the basic differences is whether health care is a right or a privilege. Many believe it is a privilege - I know very good doctors, who even do free work sometimes, who believe it's a privilege, not a right. I need to eat on a regular basis or I will

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash. Who said you can't? esurance.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

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2008-12-12 Thread OK Don
It's called food stamps --- I need to eat on a regular basis or I will certainly die. Yet nobody seems to think that there should be a single payer government run system for providing food (yet). Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing,

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Allan Streib
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Allan Streib wrote: I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash. Who said you can't? esurance.com Prices are fixed by law $319 a month is not what I'd call cheap.

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Loren Faeth
If only the US were going down the capitalist, private road. ... We have a semi-socialist system where the druggies and the insuransies get the big bucks. We get charged $10 for a bandaid, and it costs the clinic $12 or $15 to process the paperwork for a nickel bandaid. and for this, the

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2008-12-12 Thread Rich Thomas
That does not really happen. To think it would is an insult to some very caring people. --R Hendrik Fay wrote: Are you happy to see your child die in front of your eyes because the nearest hospital refuses treatment due to not being part of your health care insurance?

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Rich Thomas
Now we understand. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I only see a doctor if I am bleeding profusely or have a sinus infection that threatens to attack my brain tissue (has happened only once). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to

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2008-12-12 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: I need to eat on a regular basis or I will certainly die. Yet nobody seems to think that there should be a single payer government run system for providing food (yet). Food stamps. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

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2008-12-12 Thread Archer
From: Wilton Strickland Ours was always a very conservative one-holer. There's a church in the countryside 30 miles or so from here that has a 5-HOLER, no kidding, a 5-HOLLER (3 adult size, 2 children) in the edge of the woods nearby. 'Probably hasn't been used in 50 years, but there it sits, a

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread John Robbins
Allan Streib wrote: I'd like to know why I can't get a cheap catastrophic insurance policy with a $10K deductible and pay the nickle and dime stuff cash. Must be a reason. Dunno, makes sense that it should be cheap. Would the nickel and dime stuff include prescriptions? If I didn't have a

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Sure if you want to choose doctor, hospital and stuff then take out health insurance (which I have and they pay about half the bill of my twice annual teeth cleaning bill because if I get my teeth checked twice a year they

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Then there where the soup kitchens of the depression era but I am too young to remember that. Hendrik Allan Streib wrote: OK Don

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
Well they would probably get together and fix the price of a band aid at 50 bucks. Hendrik Loren Faeth wrote: If only the US were going down the capitalist, private road. ... We have a semi-socialist system where the druggies and the insuransies get the big bucks. We get charged $10 for

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on, just don't get hypothermia

2008-12-12 Thread Hendrik Fay
Well that's what I thought but Moore claims that is what happened to one little kid, who was refused and the mother had to drive the kid to the another hospital. You'd have to be some kind of monster to not care for a sick child, whether she had the right cover or not. Hendrik Rich Thomas

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Mitch Haley
Wonko the Sane wrote: The real money these days is in the trades, such as being a plumber. Good point. My last job, I did a lot of small business accounting. The best thing I can remember a client doing was a Master Plumber. (and they pay you pretty well as an apprentice and journeyman) His

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Archer
- Original Message - From: Loren Faeth Maybe you can go around ahead of the sales manager and tell them you will contract to do the work for what they were paying AT. Go freelance. You might be money ahead. You can still go around and take the pictures and do the postings. You

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Wilton Strickland
Go ahead and make yourself some good money on that 140 and don't feel bashful about it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread John Robbins
OK Don wrote: SO, what other avenues are there to sell cars on-line? Use another service. Find a way to manage their on-line sales for them. Perhaps Wonko will host a shopping cart site on hie laptop for you to sell from -- He can be their Craigslist minion... John

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread John Robbins
Tim C. wrote: I don't recommend my local friends go to a 4-year university for computer stuff if they aren't already total geeks; the market (here in NC at least) is not good enough to make it worth the investment of time unless they just really would do it anyway and can afford being out of

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on - fuel prices

2008-12-11 Thread Bill R
] Buying freeze is back on The real money these days is in the trades, such as being a plumber. You are never downsized when it comes to clogged toilets or slow drains. These skills are recession proof. Even in the midst of an severe economic depression, each citizen still has to poop each morning

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread LWB250
that more to the time of year, which is historically slow, than the economy. Dan --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com wrote: From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 10:59 PM The real money these days is in the trades, such as being a plumber. You are never downsized when it comes to clogged toilets or slow drains. These skills are recession

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Tom Hargrave
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 4:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on That sounds interesting. I will holler offlist asap. BTW, I just got a call from my sales manager. Figured they wanted

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread jwreames
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 5:52:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on That sounds interesting. I will holler offlist asap. BTW, I just got a call from my sales manager. Figured they wanted to chew me out or something but I have not done jack all

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So whats going on with you? jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Yep, sure enough does sound interesting... I've got time to read the list again... LOTS of time to read the list :( so much for having a paycheck to b***h about! -j. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread OK Don
And he can repair any Mercedes that gets traded in --- On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Tom Hargrave tharg...@hiwaay.net wrote: I'd suggest that you be very proactive with them. Tell them that you can build manage a complete web site for them keep their inventory online so that the world can

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-11 Thread Fmiser
Kaleb wrote: BTW, I just got a call from my sales manager. Figured they wanted to chew me out or something but I have not done jack all day, just been sitting at home applying for jobs. No, she just wanted to know if I as coming to the xmas party they were having at somebodys house. I

[MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Got whacked today at work. I at least have 30 days left there, could have been worse. Will get a severance package after that, but the buying freeze is now back on. As much as I would love to, I guess Im not going to go after that 140 with the broken valve cover etc like I planned. --

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-10 Thread Wonko the Sane
Maybe you can negotiate a lifetime of free car ads as part of the severance package. On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Got whacked today at work. I at least have 30 days left there, could have been worse. Will get a severance package after that, but

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-10 Thread Peter Merle
Hope you get a job soon , its happening down here in South Africa a lot as well Regards Peter 2008/12/10 Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Got whacked today at work. I at least have 30 days left there, could have been worse. Will get a severance package after that, but the buying freeze

Re: [MBZ] Buying freeze is back on

2008-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well, as many layoffs as going on, I bet it will be hard to find another job anywhere near what I am making now, I will probably end up working at some shithole convieniece store, or sitting in call center or something. On the bright side, I know I have 30 days left to start looking, after

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