I thought the cold start procedure was to floor it before starting to crank;
according to the Bosch diesel fuel systems book, this will move the rack stop
and NOT go WOT. I'll get the exact citation later.
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thought the cold start procedure was to floor it before starting to
crank; according to the Bosch diesel fuel systems book, this will move
the rack stop
Back when I was driving those old OM61X engines, I held the pedal all the
way down in the very cold also - and cranked continuously till it would run
on it's own. The OM60X engines start almost as easy as a vergasser (with M1
in the crankcase). Wolrd of differnce!
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:53 AM,
There is nearly no comparison between the 61x and 60x engines, the 60x is so
much more refined...
-Curt
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Back when I was driving those old OM61X engines, I held
Pick your model carefully --- I don't think the 602 has either of those
issues (knocking on wood).
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True, if you dismiss the problems with cracked heads and bent rods.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond
Just weak head gaskets.
On 01/27/2011 03:01 PM, OK Don wrote:
Pick your model carefully --- I don't think the 602 has either of those
issues (knocking on wood).
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True, if you dismiss the problems with cracked heads and bent
and 60x engines, the
60x is so much more refined...
-Curt
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True, if you dismiss the problems with cracked heads and bent rods.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud
Pretty much...
Glow plugs take longer to get up to full temp than it does for the light to
go off. The light is only a suggestion of time and has no real connection
to whats going on with the plugs. Tthe plugs are still powered until the
relay goes clunk sometime later (I think you can hear
Have you considered a new starter? My 80 300SD was having starting problems
below 40F. I had my Indie check the glow plugs, etc. and found nothing. I
ordered a rebuilt starter and had my Indie replace it. I started it last week
at 16F and it fired immediately. Valves should only be a problem if
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:
I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that
situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking
down. I would like to know why.
The pedal-to-the-floor technique has never worked for me
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:43 -0500, Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com wrote:
I thought when the glow light goes out the plugs are done. I now
assume I am wrong?
My understanding is that the glow plug relay adjusts the dash lamp
illumination time based on ambient temperature (or maybe coolant
for not doing it earlier, but the plugs had always tested fine with
digital meter I *thought* I could accurately measure down to the range
needed for glow plugs.
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Thats what I was getting to. :D
On 01/24/2011 01:27 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Rolf wrote:
Just because the pressure guage is pegged does not mean that there is
equal lubrication everywhere.
Yah, but I assumed there was some everywhere in that amount of time.
OTOH, if it pegs at cranking speed,
I highly recommend the purple wire modification. It does wonders for
cold weather starting. It causes the GP to stay on to the end of the
timer no matter what.
-Rolf
On 01/25/2011 10:01 AM, Allan Streib wrote:
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I thought
*thought* I could accurately measure down to the range
needed for glow plugs.
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yea probably. So what is the consensus? No pedal
On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:26 -0500, Tony Wirtel tony.wir...@gmail.com wrote:
Changing out the glow plugs on my old '85 300TD did wonders for cold
starting. Had almost always run M1 and kept on top of valve
adjustments.
I have experience that even one bad glow plug can noticeably impact cold
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:26 -0500, Tony Wirtel tony.wir...@gmail.com wrote:
Changing out
Oh and although I haven't tried it in the serious cold my '78 240D starts well
down around 20F now that I did the parallel glowplug wiring conversion from the
previous serial with too small wires setup. Its got M1 5w40 already.
-Curt
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revolutions. Kicked myself
for not doing it earlier, but the plugs had always tested fine with
digital meter I *thought* I could accurately measure down to the range
needed for glow plugs.
Tony Wirtel
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Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
I found a reliable test is to measure the current draw on each
one... when you have an under performer its quite easy to
see.
Been using it for years. My notes on the process.
(Note - this method is for the new parallel pencil plugs)
This method uses an
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I found a reliable test is to measure
The way I always did it with 617 engines I would turn the key on
and let the light go out, turn key off them back on for another
cycle, then back on and when the light goes out the 3rd time crank
it until it either starts or the battery goes dead.
On 1/25/2011 7:58 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
For all you diesel folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLc9qNRqzU
Jaime
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How cold was it? While watching that, I was feeling feelings I hadn't felt
since the days I had to start my 220D in Illinois in the winter.
Bob R
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:10 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:
For all you diesel folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLc9qNRqzU
Did you depress the pedal when cranking? Why not use 5w40? Really bad to
let the engine rev that soon Nice gloves btw.
-Rolf
On 01/24/2011 10:10 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
For all you diesel folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLc9qNRqzU
Jaime
Rolf wrote:
Did you depress the pedal when cranking? Why not use 5w40? Really bad to
let the engine rev that soon Nice gloves btw.
In this case, the oil pressure had gone past 3 bar long before the engine
started.
Anybody notice the cloud of steam Jaime put out every time he exhaled?
I have played that song in 4 cyl many times. Never had a 5 cyl in the fleet.
For all you diesel folks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLc9qNRqzU
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Yeah, had my foot about half way in. Bulky boots caused me the race it up a
bit more than I wanted when it started.
This car gets less than 3000 miles a year. In this case, I have no need for
synthetic oil. Its quite rare that I ever have to start the car when its
this cold. I'm a big Rotella
My last W123 240D did slightly better starting in similar temps (low single
digits). But I think this makes sense as its the same starter, same
battery, but one less cylinder of compression and friction to push through.
But overall, I couldn't be more satisfied. The car started as it was
Just because the pressure guage is pegged does not mean that there is
equal lubrication everywhere.
-Rolf
On 01/24/2011 12:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Rolf wrote:
Did you depress the pedal when cranking? Why not use 5w40? Really bad
to let the engine rev that soon Nice gloves btw.
In
Rolf wrote:
Just because the pressure guage is pegged does not mean that there is
equal lubrication everywhere.
Yah, but I assumed there was some everywhere in that amount of time.
OTOH, if it pegs at cranking speed, it might be too thick to flow decently.
Mitch.
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My last W123 240D did slightly better starting in similar temps (low single
digits). But I think this makes sense as its the same starter, same
Every MB Diesel I have had will peg the gauge at cranking speed in
cold weather.
Rolf wrote:
Just because the pressure guage is pegged does not mean that there
is equal lubrication everywhere.
Yah, but I assumed there was some everywhere in that amount of time.
OTOH, if it pegs at cranking
And his project for this weekend is changing the fried starter. ;-) hee hee
Ed
300E
On 24 January 2011 10:31, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I have played that song in 4 cyl many times. Never had a 5 cyl in the
fleet.
For all you diesel folks...
Just did that in the fall... I had the unfortunate experience of having a
starter solenoid get stuck on my last starter. Engine started, starter
disengaged from flywheel, but starter kept spinning. Luckily I was home so
I just disconnected the battery and pushed the car into my driveway. It was
I'll admit to using the starter to move my truck around when I only
needed to go ~ 40 feet...
That was with the 2.4 from hell though, so it was justifiable...
Walt
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:
Just did that in the fall... I had the unfortunate
Well, Actually yesterday morning, woke up to 9 below. Shoveled out my 350
SDL rodbender vbg that's been sitting in a snowbank for the past 2
weeks. One cycle of the glow plugs and it kicked over in less than 5
seconds of crank time.
Love that car..
Angelo
1990 350SDL 278K miles.
Sorry,
OK so what was the temp? It seems like it was cranking along then
slowed down, was this when you pressed the pedal to the floor? I
have noticed that the cranking seems to slow down when the pedal
is pressed, dont know if anyone else has noticed that before.
On 1/24/2011 9:10 AM, Jaime
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
OK so what was the temp? It seems like it was cranking along then
slowed down, was this when you pressed the pedal to the floor? I have
noticed that the cranking seems to slow down when the pedal is pressed,
dont know if anyone else has noticed that before.
I
I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that
situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking
down. I would like to know why.
On 1/24/2011 7:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
OK so what was the temp? It seems like it was cranking along
then
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osLc9qNRqzU
Jaime
A wise man once said it is better to be thought a fool and stay silent, than
open one's mouth and prove them right. Unfortunately if I
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 8:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that situation if I
push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking down. I would like to
know why.
On 1/24/2011 7:14 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
I noticed that
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18:15 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:
I am not sure why, but as I said, when I have been in that
situation if I push the pedal down it seems to slow the cranking
down. I would like to know why.
Sprays of nice, cold diesel cooling down the tip of the
yea probably. So what is the consensus? No pedal, half pedal? I
usually dont give it any pedal till its firing on almost all
cylinders then I start giving it pedal to rev it up.
On 1/24/2011 7:52 PM, Craig wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:18:15 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net
I thought when the glow light goes out the plugs are done. I now
assume I am wrong?
You may.
I haven't driven my 240D all winter because I
can not get her to start once it's cold, and I'm talking sub 50's here)
Valve adjustment?
-- Jim
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