Re: [MBZ] Crumple zones

2005-10-26 Thread Peter Frederick
Unless I'm mistaken, the Ponton was the first chassis with crumple zones and a rigid passenger compartment. the Adenauer was the last car built with a separate chassis with body bolted on. Makes Detroit's refusal to do anything to make cars safer look pretty shabby. Peter

Re: [MBZ] Crumple zones

2005-10-26 Thread David Brodbeck
Peter Frederick wrote: Unless I'm mistaken, the Ponton was the first chassis with crumple zones and a rigid passenger compartment. the Adenauer was the last car built with a separate chassis with body bolted on. Makes Detroit's refusal to do anything to make cars safer look pretty shabby.

Re: [MBZ] Crumple zones

2005-10-26 Thread Peter Frederick
The Corvair had two lethal problems, one by design and one by pure idiocy, I think -- to whit: the swing axle rear end was not protected against jacking, so at very high side loads the outside rear wheel could aquire so much camber that the rim would dig into the pavement. The resultant

Re: [MBZ] Crumple zones

2005-10-25 Thread Peter Frederick
Actually, I think it was 1953, along with unibody construction. They have improved each rendition 55mph headon in ANY car you are lucky to be alive! Peter

Re: [MBZ] Crumple zones

2005-10-25 Thread Marshall Booth
BillR wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: As to Mercedes, I assume you had tongue in cheek? Mercedes was the first company to actually crash test vehicles (in the late 1950s or early 60s), and it was a Mercedes engineer who patented the concept of automotive crumple zones. I was told that the '62