Without getting into a discussion that could rival oil and tires, consider
that if diesel smoke caused as much disease as various interests imply,
there would be a well defined epidemic; especially in major air polluted
cities. The reason there isn't may be because the lungs have their own
Many years ago the veterinary research lab where I worked got it's own
shipment of cancer prone mice. So many substances gave these mice cancer
that one of the employees bet another that plain old horse sh*t would also
give them cancer.
It was tested and he won the bet.
Since then I've often
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Many years ago the veterinary research
$100,000 a year 40 years ago just to do this. Nice.
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Many years ago the veterinary research lab where I worked got it's own
shipment of cancer prone mice. So many substances gave these mice
cancer
that one of the employees bet another that plain old horse sh*t would also
I don't know whether diesel exhaust causes lung cancer or not, but it
is sorta reasonable to think that inhaling nasty stuff does not do you
any good. Diesel particulates are/have nasty stuff, so not surprising.
It is pretty clear that for those who have lung cancer, cigarettes are
the
Of course we all know people whom we can cite anecdotally who did all
the right things, and still developed a cancer and died, but those folks
are still sort of a smallish subset of all. I have friends who fell in
that category for no rhyme or reason. Then there are those who eat
A doc at MDAnderson, who specialized in brain cancer, got brain cancer
himself at an age something like that. He died after operations and
treatments and such, and had a very good attitude about it all as a
learning/teaching experience, was chronicled in the paper occasionally.
One of my
We can't control our genes yet. Glioblastoma in adults is more aggressive and
almost uniformly lethal. The juvenile version confers a much better prognosis.
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On Jun 13, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:
Of course we all know people whom we
Same thing happened to a high school friend of mine. No prior symptoms, fell
over unconscious one day, diagnosed brain cancer, died in a few months. Pretty
sad, I think he was only 17.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012, at 02:28 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
A doc at MDAnderson, who specialized in brain
On that note, I've noticed that location is very important. For example, in
California, nearly everything is labeled that it causes cancer. However,
if you drive South a couple hours to Mexico, the same materials are easily
purchased and recommended for consumption.
Definition: Elephant. A
This seems relevant for those owning older diesels such as myself:Dan
Elliott
300TD 82 129kmi
Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says
Exhaust from diesel engines
http://topics.bloomberg.com/diesel-engines/causes lung cancer, a
World
Health Organization http://www.who.int/en/
I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks.
Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long list of things that we
ought not to breath into our lungs.
Randy
On 12/06/2012 12:19 PM, Dan Elliott wrote:
This seems relevant for those owning older diesels such as
Does anything NOT cause cancer anymore?
Waiting for the study in 5 years, after all diesel engines made prior to
2008 have been siezed in a cash for smokers government mandate, that
says, oh well, now it looks like it doesn't cause cancer after all.
Allan
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes:
I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks.
Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long list of things that
we ought not to breath into our lungs.
Now take your lips off that exhaust pipe!!
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1983 300D
1979 300SD
You mean breathing gasoline exhaust does not cause cancer?
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.eduwrote:
Does anything NOT cause cancer anymore?
Waiting for the study in 5 years, after all diesel engines made prior to
2008 have been siezed in a cash for
Interesting about the bladder CA. The well known causes of bladder CA are
cigarette smoking, aniline dye exposure from the printing industry and ascaris
(worm infection- mostly Egypt). A lot of truckers who are those mostly exposed
to Diesel are smokers. I wonder then if the study was
Like the study a number of years ago that decided that drinking coffee
caused cancer. They later acknowledged that a lot of the folks who drank
a lot of coffee also smoked at the same time.
Randy who is more worried about the drivers behind him crashing in the
thick black smoke than he is
People operating heavy duty diesel equipment like mining equipment or semis
are subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to,
like quarry dust or vibration.
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:05 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
Like the study a number of years ago
Dan Elliott wrote:
Existing vehicles without these modifications will take many years to be
replaced, particularly in developed countries, where regulatory measures
are less stringent, the IARC said.
In developed countries?
Mitch.
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I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks.
Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long list of things that we
ought
which is
improvement anyway.
-Curt
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I shouldn't think that would come as any real surprise to most folks.
Unfortunately, it is just another item on a long
Brian wrote:
...subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to,
like quarry dust or vibration.
Outlaw vibrators.
mao
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Especially the diesel driven ones.
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On Jun 12, 2012, at 8:16 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
Brian wrote:
...subject to all sorts of things office workers would not be subject to,
like quarry dust or vibration.
Outlaw vibrators.
mao
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In 1985 a study was conducted on airline personnel (stewards/stewardesses) on
long Asian flights between the US and Japan, Hong Kong, and other points. All
of these flights were many hours long and smoking was allowed on the planes.
The study assumed that the flight personnel
] Diesel Engine Exhaust Causes Lung Cancer, WHO Agency Says
Good day to all,
In 1985 a study was conducted on airline personnel (stewards/stewardesses) on
long Asian flights between the US and Japan, Hong Kong, and other points. All
of these flights were many hours long and smoking was allowed
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