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2023-04-02 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Nope. A good portion of them are, but I’m sure the total is less than half. They’re very expensive, require additional structural support due to their weight, and are expensive to maintain *if* you have any issues. And they’re not much better, if at all, when it comes to hurricanes. The best

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2022-07-19 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Aren't most Florida roofs spanish tile? On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 2:13 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > A lot depends on the climate, too. Maybe where Randy lives they’ll last > that long, but in Florida the average roof life is 20 years. > > -D > ___

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2022-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Doubt it, if I have my way we'll be moving to the great northern estate inside of 10 years. Even if that doesn't happen this isn't our forever house. At some point in the next 20 or so years I expect to be responsible for, if not own outright 4 houses. Ours in MA, the great northern estate, my

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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
A lot depends on the climate, too. Maybe where Randy lives they’ll last that long, but in Florida the average roof life is 20 years. -D > On Jul 19, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes > wrote: > > Roof shingles today will not last 40 years, regardless of what the warranty >

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2022-07-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Roof shingles today will not last 40 years, regardless of what the warranty claims are. 20 years at best so it might be your problem! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2022, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty.

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2022-07-19 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-07-19 13:31, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I thought the cars had a display (or a way to display) the battery capacity, and/or number of "full charge cycles" which will also tell you something about how the battery has been treated. Maybe not all of them do That's a free

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
True. 6 yo Tesla has lost 25% of its battery range. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 1:32 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 12:24 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > > > The equivalent of a compression check would be a battery capacity test. > > It

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2022-07-19 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 12:24 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote: > The equivalent of a compression check would be a battery capacity test. > It takes a while, requires a tech with some training on the EV software, > and probably costs you multiple hundreds of dollars. > I'm guessing $200-400 in a

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2022-07-19 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-07-19 12:24, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is a no brainer. The panels are already powering the house and then some. I would spend no more for the EV than I would for a gas powered car, and would drive it no more than 6k miles/year. Not sure about maintenance costs or

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2022-07-19 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-07-19 12:26, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: 4. Unlike Internal Combustion powered cars, where the tech can do compression checks, oil lab tests, etc, and gain a reasonable picture of the remaining service life of various components, the tech level does not yet exist, with supporting

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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Documented 4.3% over the last 8 years in my area. That’s what a solar system adds in value to homes around here. That more than covers the cost, if it mattered. -D > On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > And this will add resale value when or if you sell.

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
And this will add resale value when or if you sell. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely > will be somebody else's problem. > > As I understand it the feet of the PV

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2022-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The architectural shingles on our roof have a 40 year warranty. Definitely will be somebody else's problem. As I understand it the feet of the PV mounts slip up under the shingles. The mounts are pretty standardized at this point which has helped reduce costs of installation. The people across

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I replaced the back roof before installing the panels. They are simple to detach in any case. For the front array, in 6 years there has never been any problem affecting the roof. In fact, since the panels shade the shingles that ought to increase life span. Solar installers are not in short

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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Got my quotes on Friday, waiting for the hard copies today. Roughly $23k to do the panels on my garage, ROI in slightly more than 7 years. $3k of that is the cost for trenching and cabling to the house where the meter is located. If I did it on the main house it would be cheaper, but there’s a

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2022-07-19 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Doing a proper pre-buy due diligence inspection on any EV in the present "used market" is impossible, as a reality. Here are a few of the reasons. 1. Lack of available properly trained and available techs. 2. Lack of available testing equipment that tests actual operational values at the component

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2022-07-19 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 19/07/2022 11:17 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: There are many other factors. How much do you drive? What is the payback time for the "free" solar power to offset fuel costs of your current vehicle? What is the opportunity cost (what else could you do with the money other than buy an

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
This is a no brainer. The panels are already powering the house and then some. I would spend no more for the EV than I would for a gas powered car, and would drive it no more than 6k miles/year. Not sure about maintenance costs or resale value. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 12:18 PM Allan Streib via

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2022-07-19 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
There are many other factors. How much do you drive? What is the payback time for the "free" solar power to offset fuel costs of your current vehicle? What is the opportunity cost (what else could you do with the money other than buy an EV)? What are the differences in registration and

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
We have a pretty decent net meter deal in MD with Pepco. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:56 AM Curt Raymond wrote: > Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is > making way more than you use then I agree. > > -Curt > > On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew

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2022-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Depends on how much electricity you're creating. If your solar array is making way more than you use then I agree. -Curt On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:54:52 AM EDT, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it would be dumb not to own

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2022-07-19 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I will be getting my solar EV charger hookup in September, after which it would be dumb not to own an EV. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 11:51 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery... > > I'm pro EV but that's just

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2022-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
They bought a 9 year old EV and are shocked it needed a battery... I'm pro EV but that's just dumb. It's worse because it's a 2014, that's a very early model, I bet they didn't sell very many... -Curt On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 08:26:53 AM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: It’s

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2022-07-19 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
On 2022-07-19 10:04, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote: I am pretty sure the Ford Focus EV was only sold in California and maybe Washington. How one ended up in Florida I don't know. They have a fairly low range; it almost certainly was not driven there. First you had to sell in CA, then by 2015

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2022-07-19 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
I am pretty sure the Ford Focus EV was only sold in California and maybe Washington. How one ended up in Florida I don't know. They have a fairly low range; it almost certainly was not driven there. On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, at 8:59 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote: > Agreed. But the

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2022-07-19 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
The original Prius had a bazillion garden variety NiMH cells available from any number of places, even Amazon.com. Fixing it differed only in quantity from testing and replacing individual cells in a NiCad or NiMH cordless drill. Things get a little more complicated with a big Lithium

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2022-07-19 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
I’ll wait until the D class comes out, Larger batteries are easier to handle! Hahaha!Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://vimeo.com/481367023 > >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >>

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2022-07-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
LMAO! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2022, at 9:05 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://vimeo.com/481367023 > >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> Agreed. But the availability of such a major and

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2022-07-19 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
https://vimeo.com/481367023 On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 8:00 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to > be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t > suddenly stop one

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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Agreed. But the availability of such a major and critical component had to be known at the time. The supply chain for batteries for this model didn’t suddenly stop one day, it had to be known that they either weren’t available or the stock was nearly exhausted. It was just a matter of doing

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2022-07-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Feasibility is not the only issue. It’s that Electric cars are disposable. They are built with a battery that loses capacity from day one, a cheap electric motor and a computer system which again becomes obsolete within a few years. Pure junk. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:49

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2022-07-19 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
There was nothing wrong with the car when they bought it and when the problem surfaced 6 months later, it was unrepairable. This is unacceptable for an 8 yr old car built by a major manufacturer. Problems like this will continue to happen with EVs. That’s what happens when cars are

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2022-07-19 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, and I have come to the conclusion electric cars are many years away from being feasible, if ever. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2022, at 7:26 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when > making a

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2022-07-19 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
It’s called “due diligence”. Wouldn’t you research something like this when making a $10,000+ purchase? I would. -D > On Jul 19, 2022, at 5:21 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > >

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2022-07-19 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
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2012-10-16 Thread G Mann
Still a rich mans toy, at current prices it is hardly affordable even if you could justify a use for one. Certainly not priced for the masses, so very little chance of ever becoming the Model T of transport... Grant On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

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2012-10-15 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I wish Steve [Jobs] had worked on an electric or hybrid car. He knew how to sell things... He was pretty excited about the Segway when it came out. Still only used by geeks and obese mall cops. Allan -- Allan Streib

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2012-10-15 Thread Dieselhead
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I wish Steve [Jobs] had worked on an electric or hybrid car. He knew how to sell things... He was pretty excited about the Segway when it came out. Still only used by geeks and obese mall cops. Allan -- Allan Streib I'd say segway is used only

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2012-10-15 Thread Curt Raymond
: [MBZ] Electric cars To: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com, Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Monday, October 15, 2012, 8:06 PM Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I wish Steve [Jobs] had worked on an electric or hybrid car. He knew how to sell things... He was pretty excited

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2012-10-14 Thread Curt Raymond
they know is talking out their ass... -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 21:26:37 -0700 From: John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Electric cars Message-ID: 679b8f9b-a4ec-43f5-af0a-1ebc18b96...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

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2012-10-09 Thread OK Don
Excellent - glad to hear from real world experience. I figure you got the equivilent of 90+ MPG based on $15for 400 miles, if gas was $3.50/gal. Sounds like the right choice for your usage. Thanks for posting this. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:26 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: OMG

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2012-10-09 Thread John Freer
Hi Don, Unfortunately, you may have heard about the refinery fire and two other refineries that are down for maintanence which means gas has gone over 5.00 when available! As they say, timing is everything. My S550 has just been towed away to repair the air suspension so I'm not tempted to go 0

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2012-10-09 Thread Gerry Archer
Got this from an old friend who has had a Volt for about a year: We still like the Volt very much. We get about 44 miles on a full charge, and rarely use all of the charge per day. We never buy gasoline unless we go on a trip and even then we get 45 mpg. A total charge costs us about one

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2012-10-09 Thread Tim C
On Oct 9, 2012 5:11 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: A dealer salesman said the hybrid electronics are from an older model Prius and leased from Toyota. Dealer salesman is a liar, Ford developed its hybrid drive independently for the Escape in 2004. It has some features that

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2012-10-09 Thread OK Don
Yes - I've heard. Regular unleaded is $3.55, premium is $3.80, and Diesel is $4.30 today here in the OKC area. No shortages yet, but the Diesel sure shot up in price. Even at 45 mpg that price is noticable. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:39 PM, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Don,

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2012-10-08 Thread John Freer
OMG Myrtle, there's one of those horseless carriagesit's the end of the world! I am remained of that after read some recent posts. After one month and 400 miles I have used ZERO gas and electric bill was less than 15 bucks in my 2013 Volt. I spent days doing research and analyzing my

Re: [MBZ] electric cars - was Cash for clunkers hits home

2009-08-29 Thread Redghost
A Tesla drove past me yesterday. Somebody in the neighborhood has too much free cash clay On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:04 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:19:05 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? U =

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2009-08-27 Thread OK Don
How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:26:34 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net writes: Jim's comment about how much momentum

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2009-08-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:02:25 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? U = 0.5 C V^2 = 0.5 x 1 x 100^2 = 5000 J = 5 kJ Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search

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2009-08-27 Thread OK Don
Cool - thanks. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:02:25 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? U = 0.5 C V^2 = 0.5 x 1 x 100^2 = 5000 J = 5 kJ Craig -- OK Don Pair of

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2009-08-27 Thread Rich Thomas
That would get your attention. --R OK Don wrote: Cool - thanks. On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:41 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:02:25 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? U = 0.5 C V^2 =

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2009-08-27 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:19:05 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: How many kJ in a 100 volt, 1 farad capacitor? U = 0.5 C V^2 = 0.5 x 1 x 100^2 = 5000 J = 5 kJ That would get your attention. In my lab in graduate school, we had a discharge

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2009-08-26 Thread LWB250
--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] electric cars - was Cash for clunkers hits home To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 1:38 AM LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes

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2009-08-26 Thread WILTON
Pity; doesn't seem to regen anything, then, does it? Well, 'cept heat. What a waste. Wilton - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:38 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] electric cars

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2009-08-26 Thread Jim Cathey
Pity; doesn't seem to regen anything, then, does it? Well, 'cept heat. What a waste. Though the traction motors are generating, I probably wouldn't use the term 'regenerative' unless the power were being stored, or at least used for something. As implemented, it's merely electric braking.

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2009-08-26 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote: Pity; doesn't seem to regen anything, then, does it? Well, 'cept heat. What a waste. Though the traction motors are generating, I probably wouldn't use the term 'regenerative' unless the power were being stored, or at least used for something. What if they hooked up an

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2009-08-26 Thread Jim Cathey
What if they hooked up an extra motor-generator to a huge flywheel? How many thousand horsepower-minutes would it need to store? How much momentum do you suppose a loaded freight train has? They could 'third-rail' the down-grades and come up with some way to feed the grid, that might be

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2009-08-26 Thread WILTON
Agreed on all 3 points. Wilton - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] electric cars Pity; doesn't seem to regen anything, then, does it? Well, 'cept

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2009-08-26 Thread Fmiser
Jim Cathey wrote: What if they hooked up an extra motor-generator to a huge flywheel? How many thousand horsepower-minutes would it need to store? How much momentum do you suppose a loaded freight train has? They could 'third-rail' the down-grades and come up with some way to feed

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2009-08-26 Thread Fmiser
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: That is regenerative braking, and it's exactly what the resistor banks on the tops of the locomotives are for. They use regenerative power from the traction motors and dump it into the resistors as required to place a load on the traction motors

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2009-08-26 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:05:03 -0500 Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: WILTON wrote: Pity; doesn't seem to regen anything, then, does it? Well, 'cept heat. What a waste. Yeah. But think of the quantity of electricity generated. Not very practical to store that in batteries. Maybe the

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2009-08-26 Thread Allan Streib
Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net writes: Jim's comment about how much momentum a moving freight train has is indicative of the size of flywheel you would need. It wouldn't fit on the train and couldn't fit through tunnels and across bridges. I'm imagining some kind of giant, box-car

Re: [MBZ] electric cars - was Cash for clunkers hits home

2009-08-26 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:26:34 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net writes: Jim's comment about how much momentum a moving freight train has is indicative of the size of flywheel you would need. It wouldn't fit on the train and couldn't fit

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2009-08-25 Thread pm7088
Electric drivetrains are more efficient. That's why hybrids get better mileage even though they have a quarter-ton-plus more equipment. Also why diesel trains run generators and use electric motors. I doubt that. I believe that Diesel/Electric trains allow a much smoother transition of

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2009-08-25 Thread Tim C
Yes, it's over 10 days old, I'm slow. :) On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: R A Bennell wrote: No one seems to make any comments on these issues. It is all about the environment and the utopian dream that we can carry on without polluting anything. Nothing

Re: [MBZ] electric cars - was Cash for clunkers hits home

2009-08-25 Thread Allan Streib
pm7...@comcast.net writes: I doubt that. I believe that Diesel/Electric trains allow a much smoother transition of power. I can think of no other drive train that would allow what they do. I don't know a whole lot about locomotives but a couple of advantages spring to mind, one is that the

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2009-08-25 Thread Jim Cathey
They can also serve as brakes, though I think locomotives just have a bunch of huge resistors they do not have any form of regenerative braking. They would, but nobody has yet figured out how to turn electricity back into diesel fuel! (D-E locomotives were never about energy efficiency or

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2009-08-25 Thread LWB250
That is regenerative braking, and it's exactly what the resistor banks on the tops of the locomotives are for. They use regenerative power from the traction motors and dump it into the resistors as required to place a load on the traction motors when braking or slowing the train down grades.

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2009-08-25 Thread Allan Streib
LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com writes: That is regenerative braking, and it's exactly what the resistor banks on the tops of the locomotives are for. They use regenerative power from the traction motors and dump it into the resistors as required to place a load on the traction motors when braking

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2009-08-14 Thread Fmiser
R A Bennell wrote: No one seems to make any comments on these issues. It is all about the environment and the utopian dream that we can carry on without polluting anything. Nothing practical ever mentioned. Unless the electric generating is pollution-free, the pollution is just moved. Now,

Re: [MBZ] Electric cars [was: Re: Frankenheap failures, and rites of passage]

2009-02-15 Thread Tim C.
without a horrible performance impact outside Connecticut. What's Connecticut have to do with it? CT has some rule that you can't exceed GVWR (with driver), so even if the frame is happy and you replace the suspension you're unable to register the car. Guess you could still get more

Re: [MBZ] Electric cars [was: Re: Frankenheap failures, and rites of passage]

2009-02-15 Thread OK Don
Only install enough batteries to get to the registration site and back (or trailer it within a block), get it registered, then take it home and finish installing batteries. CT has some rule that you can't exceed GVWR (with driver), so even if the frame is happy and you replace the suspension

[MBZ] Electric cars [was: Re: Frankenheap failures, and rites of passage]

2009-02-14 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:59:19 -0800 (PST) Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote: As I see it any of the W115/W123 bodies have both these problems licked, even flooded lead-acid deep-cycle batteries should slide right in without a horrible performance impact outside Connecticut. What's Connecticut have

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2008-07-20 Thread Wilton Strickland
'Beginning to think I'd like to build one. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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2008-07-20 Thread Curt Raymond
Another thing to help your presidential bid... The eco crowd will love it as will the hardcore we build stuff right wing types. -Curt Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 10:52:09 -0400 From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Electric cars To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID

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2008-07-20 Thread Curt Raymond
Almost forgot: Wilton in '12! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Hendrik Fay wrote: Why need a tranny? I just bought a new drill that can be adjusted to turn from two rpm up to 600 or whatever rpm, no gearbox in that sucker far as I know. I saw a RoadTrack writeup on an electric Honda CRX years ago. They used the Honda transaxle, but I believe they just

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2008-07-19 Thread Curt Raymond
and has a huge writeup on ecomodder. -Curt Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:36:27 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What I've

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2008-07-19 Thread OK Don
that's the guy who shifts without a clutch - kills pwer to the motor, let's the syncro rings match the speeds, and shifts. You can see it all happen in the video. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:18 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lots of EV folk keep the trans and take out the clutch. For an

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Tom Hargrave
] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/17/08 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 40 kW = 43 HP = the perfect size for a 60s VW bus, plus plenty of room for lead acid batteries an internally mounted diesel powered generator

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Rich Thomas
useable HP from a 43 electric motor than from a gas engine rated at twice the peak HP. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/17/08 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Allan Streib
a gas engine rated at twice the peak HP. Thanks, Tom 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 7/17/08 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 40

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik Fay
Article in todays rag goes on about Missinbitshity building a prototype eleccy car with hub motors front and one motor in the rear, top speed 180 klicks and range of 200ks, seating capacity of two 5 year olds and crashworthiness of a wet cardboard box. Strong winds will make it fly and passing

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread OK Don
I was wondering the same thing - those cars with motors in the hubs don't have a transmission, but most of the conversions I've read about connect to the tranny - some with a clutch, others without, but all shifting. Guess it depends on the moter, controller circuitry, power source delivery rate,

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Yeah, I read about a few and they just bolt the motor to the bell housing/tranny with a shaft adapter, use the tranny. With all the torque available at 0 rpm, I wonder if you could just leave it in 3 or 4 and do it that way. I suppose you would just figure it out. --R OK Don wrote: I was

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Tom Hargrave
: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? What I've wondered, is would I keep the 4-speed? With an electric motor you should not really need a transmission or clutch, right? Except maybe to keep the current draw under control at take-off? Allan Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the key thing

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Allan Streib
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HP is still torque X RPM and you still need the transmission to make the most use of the HP. You don't need a clutch. You would need a clutch to change gears while driving, right? I can understand not needing one to start off. Allan -- 1983 300D

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-18 Thread Hendrik Fay
Why need a tranny? I just bought a new drill that can be adjusted to turn from two rpm up to 600 or whatever rpm, no gearbox in that sucker far as I know. I am guessing electric cars work on much the same principle, put your foot down a bit and the wheels start to turn, apply more current and

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas
A lot of people doing conversions use fork lift motors and deep-cycle marine batteries (relatively cheap and easily acquired) and you do need a controller of some sort. Here is one web site (and there are loads of them, just do a google search on electric car conversion or something similar).

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: A lot of people doing conversions use fork lift motors and deep-cycle marine batteries (relatively cheap and easily acquired) and you do need a controller of some sort. Back in the 1970's a fellow made a series hybrid from an Opel GT, with a 5hp Briggs engine, and a jet

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread pm7088
During the early 80's, I worked for a major Nuclear Fuel Fabricator, since euthanized by a euro-trash takeover. One of our senior managers built a Voltswagon. It was a Beatle, stuffed with deep cycle batteries with I believe a 48v motor. It had about a 10 mile range if driven conservatively.

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Mitch Haley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very difficult to drive at night, the switching relays were mounted low in the rear. They made a most impressive light show almost constantly. Fortunately, we can now do banks of FETs which can handle hundreds of amps per transistor, with resistance measured in

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Curt Raymond
: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID:     [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I saw an article in a local rag recently about someone converting a mid sized japanese car to electric for around town trips. He claims

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread R A Bennell
Lots of info and interest out there on electric propulsion systems for boats too. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:12 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread John Robbins
Mitch Haley wrote: Fortunately, we can now do banks of FETs which can handle hundreds of amps per transistor, with resistance measured in milliohms. Yep! Good times :) For instance, here's an electric motor throttle rated to handle 1200A continuous at 12v, with .0005 ohm resistance

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
Of John Robbins Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone? Mitch Haley wrote: Fortunately, we can now do banks of FETs which can handle hundreds of amps per transistor, with resistance measured in milliohms. Yep! Good times

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:14 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old Hondas etc seem to be good platforms for this kind of hacking. I have my granddaddies 72 Datsun 510 wagon, I keep thinking it might be fun to go electric with it. Ack! Haven't we been through this before? Please leave

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Rich Thomas
You see, I said thinking which ain't the same as doing, but I am leaning to just keeping it as it is (well, get it running) and then having it original as gramps drove it. It is actually in quite good condition except for the interior which was a mouse house (I think I will call it the Hanta

Re: [MBZ] Electric Cars Anyone?

2008-07-17 Thread Allan Streib
Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 40 kW = 43 HP = the perfect size for a 60s VW bus, plus plenty of room for lead acid batteries an internally mounted diesel powered generator I have a Vanagon and thought it might be a good platform for a hybrid conversion. I'd want at least

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