The prairies also have a LOT more trees than they did before the invasion
of the white man. This is mostly due to the control and attempted
elimination of wild fires.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
snip
The state of Maine has more forest now than it
We have planted over 6000 trees in the last 12 years foresting around 10 acres.
More recently mother nature does a better job filling in my fields than we can
so I just use the mower to thin out the 9' rows between trees.
The state of Maine has more forest now than it did between the two world
Nice trees or scraggly shrubby ones?
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:00 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
The prairies also have a LOT more trees than they did before the invasion
of the white man. This is mostly due to the control and attempted
elimination of wild fires.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at
Mostly Eastern Red Cedar (they almost explode in a fire) and Black Jack Oak
around here. No, not pretty trees, but they do shelter the soil from the
wind and provide shade, etc.
On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:17 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:
Nice trees or scraggly shrubby ones?
Like these guys?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3017373/Obama-loses-footing-getting-Air-Force-One-weekend-golf-getaway-Florida-played-donor-friends-sports-franchise-owners.html
The president's Sunday also featured a golf game with Houston Astros
owner Jim Crane, who is a major
In the real world, big oil and coal hire scientists to promote views that
serves the economic interests of the polluting industries. Nothing wrong
with that, provided you see it for the BS that it is.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew sez: It's
Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire
scientists to promote views that
serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro
industries. If real data does not support these views, they make up
the data and distort computer models to prove their position.
The commoners in this case are the oil and coal companies. Does that make
sense?
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again.
Liberals and liberal groups
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again.
Liberals and liberal groups (goobermnt) are not subject to the laws
that apply to the commoners.
Wasn't there a war once that had something to do with kings and commoners?
Not even
Sorry, but it's not a liberal trait - it is shared by both ends of the
political spectrum. Power corrupts . . .
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Oops! Sorry, the liberal hypocrisy is showing again.
Andrew asked: If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you
then
acknowledge that climate change was real and man-made?
Of course not. There is no connection between Gore's behavior and the
validity of a theory about a cause and effect relationship between use of
fossil fuels and
All of those geologic changes took eons; the current trends are
historical. Connect the dots - they coincide with a huge boost in CO2
emissions.
I speak as a geologist, btw. Yes, there are natural, transitory events
that may overshadow man's contributions to the atmosphere, e.g. Krakatoa,
but
Not even close.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Andrew sez: In the real world, big goobermnt and big enviro hire
scientists to promote views that
serves the economic interests of the big goobermnt and enviro
industries. If real data does not support
Peter wrote:
The original Easter Deciduous Forest was more or less undamaged by fire --
trees averaged 90 foot to the canopy and it was closed in most places, so a
fire in the duff didn't bother the trees much if at all.
That is what I saw in Oregon driving home with Gay Larry's 240D on US20.
If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge
that climate change was real and man-made?
It would only mean that albore is not so much a hypocrite. It does
not change the facts of temperature, or manufactured data or flawed
computer models.
If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge
that climate change was real and man-made?
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Scott Richey sez:
Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the
standard
of
It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can buy.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 11:14 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
If Al Gore hitchhiked instead of flying in a jet would you then acknowledge
that climate change was real and man-made?
It would only mean that albore
Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the standard
of living will we (specifically, you) accept? If we all gave up cars,
heated buildings, electricity, etc. the coal and oil companies would quickly
disappear. Of course out life expectancy would be cut in half and that
Andrew sez: It's much more comforting to rely on the best data money can buy.
IT is true, that those who surround themselves with the best data
money can buy and yesmen and devoted followers are comforted in
their cocoon.
However that is not reality. In the real world, honest people tell
Rick wrote:
I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees.
Solar 1, Trees 0.
I also like the article you put up a couple weeks ago from Michael Crichton:
http://www.michaelcrichton.net/essay-stateoffear-whypoliticizedscienceisdangerous.html
Who is Michael Crichton?
In other words, do anything to keep the oil and coal companies in
business
On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate is
deforestation. All that coal we are burning started out as forest,
In the US I am in possession of knowledge that says there are more
trees now than before the European invaders arrived. And apparently
the pre-European-invader indigenous peoples were fairly
indiscriminate about burning down huge forests for hunting or
whatever reasons. Around my parts trees
Mr. McC wrote:-Go out and plant trees. That reduces the co2.Bonus points if
you plant and water in the desert.
Best idea that I have heard in many a day.In the '60s the Israelis started a
program to reclaim the deserts with a fairly simple system of keeping the soil
where it was by coating
Mr. McC wrote:-Go out and plant trees. That reduces the co2.Bonus
points if you plant and water in the desert.
Best idea that I have heard in many a day.In the '60s the Israelis
started a program to reclaim the deserts with a fairly simple system
of keeping the soil where it was by coating it
One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate
is deforestation. All that coal we are burning started out as
forest, after all -- you can find the trees in it when they get
fossilized into coal balls of calcium carbonate instead of
compressed into coal.
Deforestation
In the US I am in possession of knowledge that says there are more trees
now than before the European invaders arrived. And apparently the
pre-European-invader indigenous peoples were fairly indiscriminate about
burning down huge forests for hunting or whatever reasons. Around my
parts trees
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Rick wrote:
I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees.
Solar 1, Trees 0.
I also like the article you put up a couple weeks ago from Michael Crichton
Scott Richey sez:
Or, we can look at it from the other side. Exactly how low is the standard
of living will we (specifically, you) accept? If we all gave up cars,
heated buildings, electricity, etc. the coal and oil companies would quickly
disappear. Of course out life expectancy would be
Peter wrote:
One of the subjects grossly overlooked in the global warming debate is
deforestation.
http://www.nj.com/ocean/index.ssf/2015/03/great_adventure_going_solar_report_says.html
I would suspect they get a tax incentive for solar. Not so much for trees.
Solar 1, Trees 0.
Rick
Sent
You obviously have not flown over the eastern half of the country in a
while. Initial reports were that a squirrel could travel from St.
Louis to Boston without touching the ground, and I personally don't
find that hard to believe. Approximately 80% of the initial forest
has been
Andrew sez: The concern is that
warming of the polar regions is causing the ice caps to melt and sea level
to relentlessly rise, all because of growing CO2 emissions from industrial
sources world wide.
The solution is simple. Plant more trees. Water the great deserts,
grow trees and food,
I have always enjoyed George Carlin's take on it.
http://youtu.be/BB0aFPXr4n4
Interesting little video.
http://youtu.be/nq4Bc2WCsdE
I think Gerry posted this the other day.
http://youtu.be/SyUDGfCNC-k
A satirical look.
http://youtu.be/qldJRY5aGaA
http://youtu.be/3IQIcNeKJL8
Rick
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Rich..
I like how you think... seems you have true management potential for this
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Grant...
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We'll need a coupla G-5s at our disposal to fly to international
conferences
We'll need a coupla G-5s at our disposal to fly to international
conferences in nice places too, and plenty of good food and drink to
facilitate the discussions. The accommodations must be top-shelf as
well, we need our rest.
We can ask Bill Clinton to be on the board, he can provide
It is too simple -- the greenhouse effect of carbon dioxide is that
it absorbs some wavelengths of IR and not others, so that heat from
the sun is trapped when IR radiation passes through the carbon dioxide
and heats the earth while re-radiated heat, at a different wavelength,
is absorbed
Several years ago, I read articles about the magnetic poles flipping. The
article described how the Earth's magnetic fields will weaken in areas allowing
the Sun's radiation to get through more strongly causing more skin cancer
cases. I'm not a scientist, but I wonder if any of this is
80-yr-old Weather Channel Founder Explains the History of the Global Warming
Fraud
John Coleman, 80-year-old award-winning meteorologist and founder of the
Weather Channel explains the history of the global warming fraud.
“Politics had gotten in the way of the science.” Coleman explains that
Peter wrote:
Methane has stronger absorbance at similar wavelengths than
carbon dioxide and is a stronger greenhouse gas.
Water vapor is even stronger - way stronger.
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$20.000.000.000 has a nice ring to it..
Yeah.
The same amount from fedgov certainly changed the computer industry 35
years ago. Fedgov does not invent or discover anything. ...or do
they...
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Great video!
Followed the link at the end to KUSI website for Coleman's Corner, which
apparently no longer exists there.
However I did find a letter from a physicist explaining how increasing CO2
cannot cause any warming. Very briefly and simplifying, CO2 absorbs radiation
from the sun at
And the warmists take the Alinski Rules for Radicals approach, so it
sorta balances out.
BTW RfR is actually quite interesting, and can work either way,
depending on what root you are growing from. The whole idea is to
deflect from the facts of the matter at hand, and take shots at the
Craig,
I'd like to hear your thoughts on the physics discussed in this letter, and
also if you can find out if the author is who he says he is:
http://www.kusi.com/story/19600263/why-man-made-global-warming-is-ridiculous
This explanation seems too simple.
--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
I'm not taking sides here, but I thought I would share an interesting story on
All Things Considered this afternoon.
They interviewed a director who recently made a film about both sides of this
issue, and how each one tried to promote their side. The most interesting part
(I thought) was the
However I did find a letter from a physicist explaining how
increasing CO2 cannot cause any warming. Very briefly and simplifying, CO2
absorbs radiation from the sun at the 15 micron wavelength (infrared). All
of that radiation is absorbed in the upper atmosphere. None reaches the
surface.
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I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply
cannot buy global warming
.
Snowmobilers tend to remember snow patterns...
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John Coleman says no to human induced global warming!
http://conservativepost.com/80-yr-old-weather-channel-founder-explains-the-history-of-the-global-warming-fraud/
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I'm no climatologist
Yeahbut, There is no land under the north pole so it's just ice floating on
water. So even if it all melted it would not change sea level at all.
Floating objects displace their own weight of water. The ice shelf at the
south pole (which is land) is increasing, which would make sea level go
And melting the Greenland icecap'll make it go up.
Wilton
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I'm no climatologist, but in light of the past couple of winters, I simply
cannot buy global warming.
Nobody is going to convince me that red is green or that cold is hot.
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The “brutal”
The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow to
the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep south including
Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By March 4, Boston was just 2
inches away from hitting an all-time record for snow,
Hey guess what - UT and ID are having a record warm winter with way too
little snow. It all balances out.
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The “brutal” winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy snow
to the mid-Atlantic
The brutal winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy
snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep
south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By
March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time
record for snow, Boston.com
The brutal winter is on the attack again, bringing sleet and heavy
snow to the mid-Atlantic region. Previous storms targeted the deep
south including Dallas, Texas, and several hammered New England. By
March 4, Boston was just 2 inches away from hitting an all-time
record for snow, Boston.com
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