, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
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Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon
wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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It IS trivial to use
YES! That's the exact picture that I see in my mind when the springs vs SLS
discussion comes up
On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
Especially when you load it down and it stays at the correct height.
Anybody remember this:
Well, that wagon had fully working SLS, but I have it WAY overloaded.
But yes, even with very little in the back, that is EXACTLY what the car
will do if it was converted to springs. No amount of stiffening will
get rid of that. If you did put in a stiff enough spring, when the car
was
Tyler,
Just out of curiousity can you actually answer a question many of us have asked
you?
Have you ever actually driven a 123 wagon?
-Curt
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:32:51 -0700
From: Tyler casi...@usermail.com
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was okay, and replace the headgasket of course.
Man, all this talk makes me want another wagon.
-Curt
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:58:21 -0500
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
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Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:24:00 -0500
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Well
The little link to the valve on my wagon broke one day, the back popped
up about a block from home, I felt like I was back in my buddy's 67
Chevy we put air shocks and big tires on back in high school. It looked
pretty funny.
--R
Curt Raymond wrote:
My favorite part of my wagon was loading
I once had to use a sedan engine in a wagon and do the head swap.
Curt Raymond wrote:
My favorite part of my wagon was loading a bunch of people into it and feeling
it rise to the right height. I think there was something wrong in that the car
would leak down when it was off if you put a
Yep, I have.
Curt Raymond wrote:
Ever drive one with bad spheres?
My friend owned one which I later bought that had bad spheres, it was like
driving a pogo stick. He had it one whole winter like that, I could never
understand why anybody would want one. When he got the spheres replaced it all
:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of
was judged to be a very poor handling car compared to the original SLS.
Max
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Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of
was judged to be a very poor handling car compared
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From: Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC Dillon, 53310
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Do you have
Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon
wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear suspension. I'd be willing to
bet that most of these conversions use stock sedan springs/shocks from a
junkyard, which aren't stiff enough for a wagon. If I were going to do
the swap
GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to a
fellow like you.
I'm annoyed that people on here mostly parrot what Marshall said
without understanding the context.
When you have a minute between engineering changes on your suspension,
why not find a new list?
So in theory it could be done right. This doesn't quite negate the
power of the fact that none of us has ever seen such a creature
On 10/9/09, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon
wouldn't handle fine with a regular rear
It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone
that can do an engine swap, could do this much cheaper and easier.
Tyler
Peter T. Arnold wrote:
GO for it! Redesign it. I'm sure that the effort would be trivial to
a fellow like you.
*Ahem*
I believe the term here is put up or shut up. If its so easy just take a long
weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm sure he'd
give you dinner...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car
bodger bodged it which I
think is admirable.
For the record I've ridden in Volvo wagons, the older boxy (pre '91?) body
style, they DO NOT compare to a 123 wagon.
-Curt
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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Well, were they done properly? There's no inherent reason why a wagon
Or, rather than reinventing the wheel, just leave it like it was meant
to be. I have not seen anyone parroting anything Marshall may have
said without knowing what they were talking about. Have you
owned/driven a wagon (or a LWB 126/140 etc) sedan with the properly
working SLS? Have you
or shut up. If its so easy just
take a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make
his car. I'm sure he'd give you dinner...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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It IS trivial to use a spring with the correct spring rate... Anyone
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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It IS trivial to use
up or shut up. If its so easy just take
a long weekend at Andrew's and show us how awesome you can make his car. I'm
sure he'd give you dinner...
-Curt
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:48:30 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
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almost
certainly be adapted to a W123...
D.
At 10:48 PM + 10/9/09, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote:
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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0700
From: tyler casi...@usermail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
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Well
2009 00:25:49 -0700
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Assuming you have
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Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs
I cant believe they never came out with a 2.5 turbo wagon, or the later
606 wagon, or a 606 turbo wagon in the 210
Loren Faeth wrote:
Agreed.
We had an 84 TE, an 85 TD, 88 TE and the 87 TD. They are wonderful.
I would love to have SLS in the 300SDLs. Maybe I should salvage all
the SLS
They DID! they are ALL OVER the REST of the world! MBNA has deemed
that we don't want them here.
At 09:56 PM 10/8/2009, you wrote:
I cant believe they never came out with a 2.5 turbo wagon, or the
later 606 wagon, or a 606 turbo wagon in the 210
Loren Faeth wrote:
Agreed.
We had an 84
Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and
bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it
would handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system- and
better if you made it a little stiffer (which would also eliminate the
need for
07, 2009 3:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and
bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely it would
handle at least as good as a brand new self leveling system
meade.m.dil...@navy.mil
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Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 6:57:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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Do you have such a bastardized car? Almost every such car I've heard of
was judged to be a very
: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1406417804.html
Solid construction, incomparable fit and finish, constructed of high
grade materials, it does not show the signs of aging that would be
expected in a 25-year-old car. There is no shimmy or shake in the body
sent him an email but no
response yet.
Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:11 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
http
...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 8:11 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1406417804.html
Solid construction, incomparable fit and finish, constructed of high
grade
-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Assuming you have the proper spring rate (not just sedan springs), and
bilstein HD shocks that are valved properly for a wagon- Surely
: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Anyone who describes a car as able to give you happy motoring isn't
hooked
up right.
Never have I thought, I'd really like to motor today...I long for an
automobile that would afford me
: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Bob Rentfro
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Anyone who describes a car as able to give you happy motoring isn't
hooked
up right.
Never
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Anyone who describes a car as able to give you happy motoring isn't
hooked
up right.
Never have I thought, I'd really like to motor today...I long for an
automobile that would afford me happy motoring...
Bob R
Hook it up to what?
--R
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Yes, provided you also hooked up my replacement engine.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
So if I came by with my engine hoist could I become your indy of choice?
--R
andrew
I am hoping to find a 300TD (wagon) motor to install so I can reconnect the
self levelling system (SLS) on my wagon. Currently, the car is fitted with
a perfectly adequate replacement 300D replacement engine from a non wagon.
The PO disconnected the SLS (removed the hydraulic struts) and
yes
--R
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Do you really need a turbodiesel engine, or are you messing with me?
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Haha. If you mess around with me I will donate my engine to someone else.
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:07 PM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
yes
--R
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Do you really need a turbodiesel engine, or are you messing with me?
It sounds like a lot of work and expense to reinstall the self levelling
system- I'd just keep the regular rear suspension myself. Simpler, more
reliable, and better handling. If it sags in the rear when you load it
up, just get stiffer springs or some spacers. I've used overload
springs with
We are talking about a wagon here, correct? Putting in regular springs
in a wagon makes for better handling? I think not. The SLS when
working properly handles VERY well. It is a very simple system, very
little goes wrong. That think will never be right if you just put
springs in it.
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1406417804.html
Solid construction, incomparable fit and finish, constructed of high
grade materials, it does not show the signs of aging that would be
expected in a 25-year-old car. There is no shimmy or shake in the body,
no out of character vibrations,
Maybe *just* an antenna motor!
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1406417804.html
Solid construction, incomparable fit and finish, constructed of high grade
materials, it does not show the signs of
Anyone who describes a car as able to give you happy motoring isn't hooked
up right.
Never have I thought, I'd really like to motor today...I long for an
automobile that would afford me happy motoring...
Bob R
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:04 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:
, October 05, 2009 5:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Great car but it needs a motor
Anyone who describes a car as able to give you happy motoring isn't hooked
up right.
Never have I thought, I'd really like to motor today...I long for an
automobile that would afford me happy
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