Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?

Jim once described his research and results for adding the proper amount of butane and propane in order have a test mixture that worked well in his cars. He uses this only in order to find leaks, blockages, etc. of course. It may still be on his website. Gerry

Re: [MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?

Probably because a car is well ventilated but a house isn't. Potential for a bit of a bang. MG Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Interesting, looks like the automotive stuff is still kosher, but the stuff for fixed systems is not. ___

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No. from what they were saying the new industrial 134 replacement is colder and better. You know how that advertising goes. MG Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. Interesting. Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? -D On Aug

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I was redoing the whole system so it was all cleaned, new evap, new cond, new compressor etc. I used mineral oil because that was what was originally called for in the car. The Evercool is compatible with mineral PAG or whatever the other oil is, can't remember right now. It is also compatible

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Dan sez: >‎You're right. Looks like they relabeled >ES-12 to something else. Interesting. >Does that mean I should hoard my case >of ES-12? Nah. The ES-134a is the same stuff. It means you need to purchase another old Benz to make use of it... :D Rick ___

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I've got a box of ES-12 I don't plan on using. Should I bring it to the ChowderQ for someone? Jaime On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 6:51 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes wrote: > You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. > Interesting. > > Does that mean I should

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You're right. Looks like they relabeled ES-12 to something else. Interesting. Does that mean I should hoard my case of ES-12? -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 9:49 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Couldn't find ES-12‎. I found ES-134a. > >

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 20:32:53 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: > i'll answer you question... colder. 55 when its 75-80 outside isn't > very good. > > Put in more until the bubbles go away. Thanks for the info, Jaime. Craig

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Interesting, looks like the automotive stuff is still kosher, but the stuff for fixed systems is not. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 24, 2017 9:49:52 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: >Couldn't find ES-12‎. I found ES-134a.  >

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:51:19 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > Yes. I use it in my w123's. 300D and 300TD Did you change the refrigeration oil, or leave what was in there? Craig > Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes > >

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Couldn't find ES-12‎. I found ES-134a.  ‎http://www.es-refrigerants.com/ Oh, and I found this... ‎https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/enviro-safe-refrigerants-agrees-halt-sales-unapproved-flammable-hydrocarbon-refrigerants Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To

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It’s still called “ES-12”. At least when I bought a case of it last year it was. -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > > Craig inquires: > >> ‎Are you using it in a car that's supposed >to use R12? > > They used to call it ES-12, but

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Craig inquires: >‎Are you using it in a car that's supposed >to use R12? They used to call it ES-12, but I suspect the EPA got on their case about it. To obey the letter of the law, an automobile using R12 refrigerant must be converted to R134a, before being changed over to any other

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i'll answer you question... colder. 55 when its 75-80 outside isn't very good. Put in more until the bubbles go away. Jaime On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > Getting ready for our trip to Texas tomorrow, I have been adding R-12 to > the

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Yes. I use it in my w123's. 300D and 300TD MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more that

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 12:49:45 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular > mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more > that I've been using it. Are you using it in a car that's supposed to use

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I use the Envirosafe Industrial R-134a replacement. I use regular mineral oil and haven't had any problems in the 4-5 years or more that I've been using it. MG Craig via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: I don't use R12 but

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I think he uses one of the hydrocarbon blends. -D > On Aug 24, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Craig via Mercedes > wrote: > > On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. >>

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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 20:55:04 -0400 MG via Mercedes wrote: > I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. > Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator > to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. Since you don't

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I don't use R12 but what I do use goes to 39 at those temps. Consider that Mercedes puts a low temp sensor in the evaporator to keep it from freezing up. It shuts off the Compressor at 39. We used to fill the R12 till there was no foam to be seen. A couple of small bubbles are OK but mostly

[MBZ] How cold is it supposed to get?

Getting ready for our trip to Texas tomorrow, I have been adding R-12 to the E300D's A/C system. Having added a can (Kaleb sent me one) I still have bubbles in the sight glass. With OAT 75 - 80 deg.F., I have a center air vent temperature of 55. How cold is it supposed to get? Craig P.S. Why