relng...@aol.com wrote:
Are you suggesting that Lt Don was an example to us all? I hope not.
Love you too, Roger.
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Certainly he was/is an example for us. Do you want to emulate that example?
Your choice.
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 12:15 AM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
...Seriously, he's probably speaking for many of us who remember LT Don
from years ago. We'd love to hear from you more often...
Are you
...Seriously, he's probably speaking for many of us who remember LT Don
from years ago. We'd love to hear from you more often...
Are you suggesting that Lt Don was an example to us all? I hope not.
RLE
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
E.F.Products Auto Air Conditioner
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
I would beg to differ here. Chlorine in the upper atmosphere
Frederick
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
I would beg to differ here. Chlorine in the upper atmosphere acts as a
catalyst to covert ozone to diatomic oxygen, this is a know fact, not a
supposition. The main mechanism
: Friday, April 09, 2010 12:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Max, Max, you need to join Banned to raise such issues. You don't want
to upset the list mom.
--R
On 4/9/2010 11:39 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
wrote:
What I
The cram-down your throat and in your face has just started. Next
up is cap and tax that will make you buy all new appliances and get
annual inspections of your house for compliance etc, then amnesty
for illegal aliens and on and on.
What I remember about that debate is that all the
On Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:01 -0500, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
The cram-down your throat and in your face has just started. Next
up is cap and tax that will make you buy all new appliances and get
annual inspections of your house for compliance etc, then amnesty
for illegal
Easy. The atmosphere circulates, and the only way chlorine gets up
there is in Freons. All published, and not at all controversial
except to people who refuse to believe laboratory results. You can
always find someone who claims that science is all fraud, just read
the right wing press.
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
That is MY preferred way to go. We used it in commercial refr. for
years with absolutely NO problems related to the gas. YOu don't
have
to remove the old R12. Just add some freeze 12 to it. If you have
R12 gauges, it is easy. If not, you might
Actually it is (or was) legal to convert from 134a to a non-SNAP
refrigerant; it is not legal to convert directly from a CFC or HCFC
based refrigerant to a non-SNAP refrigerant, nor is it legal to use a
sham conversion.
I'd suspect that using 134a for a cooling season and being
Dura-cool or similar.
In hotter climates, the pure hydrocarbon based alternatives may not
cool as well as 12 or even 134a, since they have a lower temperature
than 12) at which the gas and liquid have the same properties...
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John Reames wrote:
Although, with older systems you can have diffusion-based leakage
through the hoses unless the hoses
Are, or were replaced with barrier-type hoses prior to conversion.
It has been said that if you run r12 and mineral oil through a hose under
pressure for 20 years, it
.
Thanks,
Max
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Last year I did a couple
That's what Marshall used to say.
-Max
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John Reames
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
I'm also thinking about swapping the expansion valve (and the
receiver/drier) while I've it open.
If you open the system, you replace the receiver/drier.
Mitch.
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Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN
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Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
I'm also thinking about swapping the expansion valve (and the
receiver/drier) while I've
Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Don't change it! Go to internet and/or refer guy and get some R-12; 'bout
$30/12 oz. can.
Wilton
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Sent: Wednesday
LarryT wrote:
Thx Wilton - $30 isn't bad at all! Will look for some -
Where are you located?
http://richmond.craigslist.org/search/?areaID=60subAreaID=query=r-12catAbbreviation=sss
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
The bad news is I have a R12 system. So, what's the consensus on
changing to R134a? What equipment needs to be changed?
Never, never do this. Not only does it not work as well
: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
John Reames wrote:
Although, with older systems you can have diffusion-based leakage
through the hoses unless the hoses Are, or were replaced with
barrier-type hoses prior to conversion.
It has been said that if you run r12 and mineral oil through a hose
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From: Tim C. bb...@crone.us
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 8:27 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
If you are EPA licensed then you will know that you aren't allowed by
federal regulation to mix refrigerants, including R12
LarryT wrote:
hydrocarbon test refrigerant Thx Jim - does this stuff have a
commercial name?
Envirosafe is a name that it's sold by for automotive use.
I think Jim uses the isobutane/propane camp stove fuel, and then tops it off
with Coleman propane.
Details here:
A gas detector detects Freon coming out of the inside cooling
registers/vents.
Wilton
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Thx Tim - I'm thinking I'll try to find a 12 oz can and add that - I
shouldn't have any futures troubles doing that would I?
How do I
Yes - you must assume that you lost some oil as well, and failing to
replace that can run the compressor dry if you lose too much. The
trick
is to decide how much oil and what type of oil to add back in...
Too little oil and the compressor seizes. Too much and it
coats the pipes and impairs
hydrocarbon test refrigerant Thx Jim - does this stuff have a
commercial name?
There are some, not sure which ones. I use my own.
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I think the drier is there to collect liquid bits from the refrigerant
stream, not water moisture.
Then why, pray tell, does it have the name drier? It's
a receiver/drier, and also a filter. The receiver function
is where it collects liquid refrigerant for disbursal to
the rest of the system.
other idea that my neighbor has is that my screen might be clogged
(based on the pressures seen on the high side vs. the low side) but I
don't see any screen in the FSM.
The expansion valve usually has a small screen in its
input fitting. I've cleaned these before, but I don't
know about the
Actually it is (or was) legal to convert from 134a to a non-SNAP
refrigerant; it is not legal to convert directly from a CFC or HCFC
based refrigerant to a non-SNAP refrigerant, nor is it legal to use a
sham conversion.
That is a bit of skulduggery aimed at getting your system converted
to
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:
Too little oil and the compressor seizes. Too much and it
coats the pipes and impairs the efficiency of the system.
Any of the wrong type (immiscible) and it impairs the system,
and enough of it can slug the compressor
Ah, well, I'll have to take a look if/when I do open her up again...
Thanks,
Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ
I suspect this old snap ac AC machine I got is leaking a little, I dont
think its pulling down a good enough vacuum.
Peter Frederick wrote:
Check all your hose fittings for leaks, too. You would be amazed at
how much air you can get leaking through a bad seal on a quick
disconnect.
I am
Alex Chamberlain wrote:
What, then, is the right oil to add to a system that has had only the
original R12 in it and is now being converted to use a hydrocarbon
such as Envirosafe or Cathey's Magic Brew?
Good old mineral refrigerant oil. I think it was about $10 a quart at NAPA when
I bought
double
check that with someone more experienced than I...
-Max
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Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge
I don't know the answer to your question, whether it is for drying water
or the vapor stream (i.e., drying out the droplets of liquid
refrigerant) or both. I seem to recall reading something about that in
last year's (and the years' before...) discussions of AC, and got the
impression it was
so you can get the 70/30 mix at sporting goods stores? How do you get
it out of the can and into your system? Will it screw onto R12 guages?
Jim Cathey wrote:
So tell me more about this test refrigerant. I know you have before.
What is in it? Where do you get it? How do you mix it? How
Or I guess you could use one of those side clamp deals that pokes a hole
in the side of the can for charging.
Jim Cathey wrote:
So tell me more about this test refrigerant. I know you have before.
What is in it? Where do you get it? How do you mix it? How do you
charge it? Put this in
up
with
the EPA is a full-time job.
-Tim
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Sent: 10-04-07, 17:34:30
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
That is MY preferred way to go. We used it in commercial
What are you using to flush?
-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of archer
Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2010 12:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
If I convert from
Yeah. Pag oils are only used in automotive refrigeration; anything
else seems to use POE oils...
If you retrofit, use POE oil and you can run pretty much any
refrigerant in it that you want.
Poe oil is much less hygroscopic than pag, and it has the advantage of
not breaking down into
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If I convert from 134a to Freeze12, how many parts of the system will I
have to flush with flushing fluid? I would use R-12 oil, I suppose. I
have a new
If I convert from 134a to Freeze12, how many parts of the system will
I have to flush with flushing fluid?
All of it? Or none of it, if that's the one that has R134a in it.
I would use R-12 oil, I suppose.
That's my preference.
I have a new compressor to install. How much oil should I
then the government got involved and screwed it all up.
Jim Cathey wrote:
If I convert from 134a to Freeze12, how many parts of the system
will I have to flush with flushing fluid?
All of it? Or none of it, if that's the one that has R134a in it.
I would use R-12 oil, I suppose.
That's
Not that I don't have a care for the environment, but a volcano errupting
does more harm to the ozone layer and CO2/particulate levels than a few
years of human activity... are we going to regulate volcano's next?
Just food for thought, don't have the numbers in front of me though.
Walt
On Apr
I would beg to differ here. Chlorine in the upper atmosphere acts as
a catalyst to covert ozone to diatomic oxygen, this is a know fact,
not a supposition. The main mechanism for transporting free chlorine
into the upper atmosphere (where it is not found in nature) is
chlorinated
And shoes for industry, compadre!
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On 4/8/2010 10:07 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
Just food for thought, don't have the numbers in front of me though.
Walt
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Hi Gang -
My '91 300D W124 is not blowing super cold like it usually does. Of course
it sat in the sun at the shooting range this Am in 90F heat - but I then saw
bubbles in the sight glass so I think I need to add some...
The bad news is I have a R12 system. So, what's the consensus on
Posters?
www.youroil.net
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From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:16 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Hi Gang -
My '91 300D W124 is not blowing super cold like it usually does
DON'T!any good auto parts store has or can get R12
replacement. It now is about the same price as 134a. If your system
was built for R12, you will only be happy when driving on the highway
if you convert to 134a.
With 134 conversion, around town or stop and go, your A/C will never
LarryT wrote:
Anyone familiar with this stuff? Except for the recovery of the old R12
using a EPA approved machine, it seems fairly simple to convert - add a
couple of unique fittings and add the Freeze12.
http://freeze-12.com/
I'd use propane/isobutane (Envirosafe) or Autofrost before
OilAnalysis Time?
Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
www.youroil.net
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From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:16 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Hi Gang -
My '91 300D W124
If I'm not mistaken, R-12 is still used for industrial stuff, and can be
procured for the right price. Have not checked in the past few years though.
Be wary of the ester vs mineral oil issue, unless you like cleaning
systems/replacing compressors. Nasty nasty stuff to deal with.
Walt
On Apr 7,
Don't change it! Go to internet and/or refer guy and get some R-12; 'bout
$30/12 oz. can.
Wilton
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Hi Gang -
My '91
I thought that POE (Polyolester) oil was OK for use with R12, whereas
PAG (Polyalkylene Glycol; more commonly used) was not compatible at
all (to say the least)...
I had one car that I did an engine swap on while 12 was still readily
available; I flushed it out and put in POE oil and green
I have a similar situation who is this refer guy and how does one contact him?
Dave H...
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 18:05:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Don't change it! Go to internet and/or refer guy and get
David Hemsley wrote:
I have a similar situation who is this refer guy and how does one contact him?
IME, most refrigeration techs just want to convert everything to R134a.
Last time I bought R12 (last summer) I paid $200 (or maybe a bit more) for ten
14oz cans from a Craigslist ad. There's
the bluster A/C work really isn't that hard, but keeping up with
the EPA is a full-time job.
-Tim
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That is MY preferred way to go. We used it in commercial refr. for
years with absolutely NO problems related to the gas
You got a real deal, then, at $20/14 oz can! 'Better get some more.
Wilton
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Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
David
Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
That is true, by regulation. However, by practical experience, it doesn't
matter much on a 124, because once the evap starts to leak, you will be
adding refrigerant, not having someone pump it out. Experienced refr. guys
mixed it for years. I am
The bad news is I have a R12 system. So, what's the consensus on
changing to R134a? What equipment needs to be changed?
Never, never do this. Not only does it not work as well, but the
real problem is with the hygroscopic and/or immiscible oils. I've
converted systems _back_ from R134a, and
;
'bout $30/12 oz. can.
Wilton
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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] AC Charge / Freon Change over
Hi Gang -
My '91 300D W124 is not blowing super cold like it usually does. Of
course it sat
So tell me more about this test refrigerant. I know you have before.
What is in it? Where do you get it? How do you mix it? How do you
charge it? Put this in terms stupid people can grasp.
Jim Cathey wrote:
The bad news is I have a R12 system. So, what's the consensus on
changing to
That is true, by regulation. However, by practical experience, it
doesn't matter much on a 124, because once the evap starts to leak,
you will be adding refrigerant, not having someone pump it out.
Experienced refr. guys mixed it for years. I am not advocating
disregard for regs, but
WILTON wrote:
You got a real deal, then, at $20/14 oz can! 'Better get some more.
He had a case of 12, put two in his car, then sold the car. I got the other ten
cans. It was the best price I saw on Craigslist within 50 miles of me the month
I spent looking for it. Had to drive 70 miles
134a will work fine IF you replace the expansion valve with the one
for the later cars (equipped at the factory with 134a) AND properly
flush the condenser. A larger, parallel flow condenser will also
help. The only difference between a pre 93 124 and a post 93 W124 AC
system is the
Last year I did a couple of vehicles, my 95 suburban and my dads 78
300D. Both cars had brand new compressors, new expansion valve/orifice
tube) flushed with that ac solvent stuff, the pulled a vacuum for an
hour. The Suburban is factory 134. Neither seems to cool as good as I
figured they
Check all your hose fittings for leaks, too. You would be amazed at
how much air you can get leaking through a bad seal on a quick
disconnect.
I am kinda nutty about flushing all the lines with freon before
charging, too.
Peter
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So tell me more about this test refrigerant. I know you have before.
What is in it? Where do you get it? How do you mix it? How do you
charge it? Put this in terms stupid people can grasp.
See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/cwair.html
-- Jim
For charging, I use various hose-clamp/hose/fitting bits that
go into the various source cans and mate with the gauge set.
An R12 tapper can be lashed to the side of a camp fuel can
to pierce it and feed, or you can (as I do now) sacrifice a
thrift-shop camp stove for its can fitting. Ditto with
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