Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I got my introduction into how badly we have treated native Americans and their condition in Tuba City, AZ. I had heard the requisite stories about alcoholism and unemployment on reservations, but working with the Hopi Nation for a month, effectively embedded with them, really opened my eyes to

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
On the subject of drug use or alcohol use.. as wise man once told me "Self abuse is still the most popular form of self entertainment." It seems to ring true with every addiction, regardless of the material of choice.. A great part of the land mass of Arizona is Indian Reservation ... a very dru

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I would suggest that there are people suffering from advanced alcoholism who can fare no better, nor are functional in any sense of the word. It's a "tomato - tomatoe" thing. In either case the severity of the affliction is clearly evident. As addled as their brains might be, I would posit th

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
They are beyond "out of touch." They are mindless zombies who can't put together a simple sentence in words. Nothing I said dismisses the effects of terminal alcoholism, but that subject was not addressed. The statement was made that potheads are way better than alkies, and I take issue with

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread clay via Mercedes
We have short circuited Darwinian evolution. Shoes have messed with our feet so we have daintier toes and less ability to walk long distances. This may be a first world thing. We impregnate the couples or singles who are genetically incapable of producing a child naturally. We pump people f

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I've never been to Hawaii, but I have seen the results of a lifetime of pot smoking with a couple of people. I would concur that they were pretty much out of touch, but they looked a lot better than the alcoholics I've seen dying of cirrhosis of the liver... I very much agree with the personal

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 >I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful >than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes be

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful than alcohol. Why pot should be illegal goes beyond me. Sent from my iPhone THen you have obviously never seen the whacked out old potheads wandering around Puna and Kau in Hawaii, among other places. "known fact" you refe

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
OK Don wrote: > The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. > Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - All hail Darwin effect!! Why not? Survival ...of the fittest. Mental - gone!! Drugged - gone!! Old - gone!! Why coddle the infirm? The bottom line rules!! S

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
My feelings exactly... https://bitencourtg.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/marijuana-vs-alcohol.jpg Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former "drug czar" of the > UK, who got booted out of office because h

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
What's even better is reading about David Nutt, the former "drug czar" of the UK, who got booted out of office because he couldn't find anything wrong with pot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nutt Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 8:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > > Great Freakonomics podcast on t

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Great Freakonomics podcast on this: http://freakonomics.com/2014/04/17/whats-more-dangerous-marijuana-or-alcohol-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Dan > On Mar 4, 2015, at 7:51 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never smoked it but it's a known fact that pot is less harmful tha

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes
basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... > -Curt > > From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 > > Dan, > I totally agree t

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The war on alcohol addiction hasn't had any positive results either. Perhaps think of it as enabling the Darwin effect - - On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > War on Addiction? > Pot is going to get legalized little by little and good on it,

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
#x27;s black he goes to jail which basically ruins any chance he ever had for a normal life... -Curt From: Addison Thompson via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30 Dan, I totally agree that

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 112, Issue 30

2015-03-04 Thread Addison Thompson via Mercedes
Dan, I totally agree that we need to try another direction than the so-called "war on drugs." I've been saying for decades that the "war on drugs" has been lost and has become a huge financial drain on our society. Rather than keeping on locking people up, inducing them to commit more crimes to