Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-17 Thread LarryT
t;Redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota On the issue of quantity of humanities v. engineering graduates, I suspect there are too many under-qualified people being al

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-17 Thread Jim Cathey
"Clay, if you ever run across an ill that you cannot blame on minorities, please immediately post that information to the list. It would be very informative." Most problems can be blamed on a minority. Fortunately, good people still outnumber the f***ing idiots, but I wonder for how much long

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-17 Thread OK Don
Don't forget those who never left the States, got the GI bill, went to college, paid the bright youngsters to do their homework, cried over having to take the tests, graduated (barely), and expected to be handed a high paying job (never got it), and are now filling the halls of the VA hospitals ge

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-16 Thread Redghost
At least those who were able to succeed on government largesse in our generation with GI Bill, had to dodge bullets or maybe put lives on the line. I figure the gummint got off easy on that debt. And some even brought home a tri star when returning from deployment. On Jan 16, 2007, at 2:19 P

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-16 Thread Redghost
Will gladly assist. Much of the trouble with the lack of sufficient diesel benz on the road is thoroughly due to those minorities wanting to purchase gas guzzling soccer mom haulers. Get rid of that segment of wasted dollars and we will see and upsurge in the demand for Diesel Benz. That, an

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-16 Thread Bob Rentfro
Chris mentioned: "Clay, if you ever run across an ill that you cannot blame on minorities, please immediately post that information to the list. It would be very informative." I think that was a sweepingly broad comment about abuse of any program or idea that was, initially, good. Bob R

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-16 Thread Chris Kueny
Clay, if you ever run across an ill that you cannot blame on minorities, please immediately post that information to the list. It would be very informative. Chris K Cayce, SC The esteemed Clay stated: Now any idiot that can claim some affiliation with a minority group supported by >an enti

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-16 Thread Redghost
eter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota The US plants have American managers. If they are like the ones I have currently at my current job (major US company as a co

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread Levi Smith
It probably is. I was going to mention that she was in fact a blonde, but decided to leave it out. I guess sometimes there's a reason that stereotype exists. (: Levi On 1/15/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This misogynistic tale is probably apochryphal, sounding instead lik

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread andrew strasfogel
This misogynistic tale is probably apochryphal, sounding instead like a modified "blonde" joke. On 1/15/07, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Tell me about it. I worked in IT as a tech. They hired this lady as a tech. She literally was not good at her job and didn't know how to do most of

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread Jim Cathey
Sorry, as you know, it should have said pictograms! hehe...fingers faster than bran Hey, bran works plenty fast on me! :-) -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread Levi Smith
Tell me about it. I worked in IT as a tech. They hired this lady as a tech. She literally was not good at her job and didn't know how to do most of it. She was promoted to manager. The absolute best story I heard told was from a friend who was apparently telling her about their new central va

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread Jeff Zedic
Sorry, as you know, it should have said pictograms! hehe...fingers faster than bran Jeff Zedic London

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-15 Thread LarryT
--- Original Message - From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota Sadly Larry, it's worse. The company I work as contract for is now back to

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Frederick
I don't know if that is true, but I worked for a promoter in Evansville, and made a couple short notice trips to get the correct bottle of wine for the performers --- they did have good taste, by the way! I heard stories about the jelly beans and taking all the red M&Ms out of a bowl full.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Jim Cathey
...required the use of picograms to train staff...mandatory drug testing Must have been some powerful stuff, if picograms were all that were required! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Frederick
Sadly Larry, it's worse. The company I work as contract for is now back to "lean manufacturing" (aka cut costs any way you can, reguardless of the results) from Six Sigma. Neither system will do anything but fix operations that actually MAKE something (plastic, ball bearings, fittings, parts,

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Jeff Zedic
I enjoy these threads about Japan vs Germny vs US. Yes, there were more problems with the US built Toyotas. (Some may remember I worked for Toyota for 13 years) A Japanese built car had a JT2 or JT1 VIN whilst the US made were 1T1. Canadian made were 2T1 and ranked almost as high as the JT2 cars.

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread John M McIntosh
It's a QC issue, if the shipping folks of company "A" can't met the shipping QC specs which might be there because the robots like to have consistence when they remove things from pallets then why should they think the product made by company 'A' will met the standards either. Reminds me

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread LarryT
ay, January 14, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota Nope. A degree in science or engineering disqualifies one to be management -- "too close to the work". You must have "independent thinking skills" and be able to blow the current psuedo-scientific smoke,

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Frederick
Nope. A degree in science or engineering disqualifies one to be management -- "too close to the work". You must have "independent thinking skills" and be able to blow the current psuedo-scientific smoke, whatever brand it is these days. If you know how things actually work, you won't be able

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread LarryT
erick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota The US plants have American managers. If they are like the ones I have currently at my current job (major US company as a contractor),

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread LarryT
6:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota My story was based on a company Corolla, probably a 1992 that I was assigned when I hired on in 1994 [I let the wife have my '75 240D]. When I first took the car to the Toyota dealer and gave the service manager a list of items that we

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread mykd1
- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota Similar differences in quality were/are noted in Mexican vs. German assembled Volkswagens, and also to the US assembled ones (Rabbits I think

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread mykd1
Miata -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota My story was based on a company Corolla, probably a 1992 that I was assigned when I hired on in 1994 [I let the wife have my '75 240D]. Wh

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Peter Frederick
The US plants have American managers. If they are like the ones I have currently at my current job (major US company as a contractor), they can turn any set of parts into junk. The notion that "if you know how to do it you are prohibited from managing it" seems to be universal in the US -- th

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Allan Streib
Similar differences in quality were/are noted in Mexican vs. German assembled Volkswagens, and also to the US assembled ones (Rabbits I think) when they had a plant in Westmoreland PA. For example I have been told "if you are going to buy a Golf, get the GTI they are still made in Germany" (I don'

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Quality vs Toyota

2007-01-14 Thread Billr
My story was based on a company Corolla, probably a 1992 that I was assigned when I hired on in 1994 [I let the wife have my '75 240D]. When I first took the car to the Toyota dealer and gave the service manager a list of items that were causing me concern [can't remember the list anymore] his fir