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b/c there is no cord that matches the one in my car. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:08 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > > > Andrew wrote: > > > > > > > > Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord. > > > > Curley wrote: > > > > > > And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU

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> > > Andrew wrote: > > > > > > Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord. > > Curley wrote: > > > > And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU TOLD TO CHANGE THE CORD > Andrew replied: > > Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately. Ah! But it _is_ sold separately. Or was.

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FAKE NEWS --FT On 1/5/18 11:33 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Where do you get these wild allegations?? Is that a lame attempt at humor or are you serious?Six weeks?? more like 3 days. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com>

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Where do you get these wild allegations?? Is that a lame attempt at humor or are you serious?Six weeks?? more like 3 days. On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > But you did have the luxury of leaving the dead car in the driveway for 6

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Ah OK thanks!  I have heard of armature but did not know that is what that bit is called.  My learnings for today! --FT On 1/5/18 11:10 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts The thing that moves, but is not itself a moving contact, is called the

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> > The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts The thing that moves, but is not itself a moving contact, is called the armature. All electromechanical relays, except reed-switch relays, have them. They're what makes the clicking sound. -- Jim ___

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> On January 4, 2018 at 8:41 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > I remember him and Haime going round and round. And at the time, I believe Haime WAS one of those 'smart MBZ engineers'. Mitch. ___

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The thing in the GP relay that closes the contacts --FT On 1/4/18 5:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Do you mean the contacts or the armature? On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call

Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

23:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Merce

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> Rick wrote: > I suspect the cables are universal, but I am not 100 percent > sure. This one looks very familiar.  There are two different heater ends used on OM6ix. I don't remember the difference, or which car needed which one - but I have worked with two different types. NOT

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But you did have the luxury of leaving the dead car in the driveway for 6 weeks? Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List

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Well, I didn't have the luxury of shopping around with a dead car sitting in my driveway. I tried all the places I can think of and nothing was available quicker than Autohaus. I even tried the classic center, and all they had was the entire kit. On Jan 5, 2018 12:06 AM, "Rick Knoble via

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Andrew sez: >‎Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold >separately. Yeah. ‎Okay.  Dutch boy is out of stock.  https://mercedessource.com/store/diesel-engine-block-heater-replacement-cord You can buy new oe whole thing for a few bucks more.

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Andy: Read this post: NOTICE THE DATE! And, this was not the first post telling you the card was most likely bad! Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 block heater has died From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 22:04:27 -0600 To: Mercedes

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ebenz.com> Sent: 04 January 2018 23:31 To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Andrew Strasfogel Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >

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Don't be a schmuck - the cord isn't sold separately. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 11:27 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM >> . Block heater >> was definitely buggered due to

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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes January 4, 2018 at 10:24 PM . Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord. Andrew And HOW MANY TIMES WERE YOU TOLD TO CHANGE THE CORD On Thu, Jan

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Car was towed to the shop this afternoon. My tech called to say that all the glow plugs tested OK - not sure about the gp relay yet. Block heater was definitely buggered due to frayed cord. New block heater has been installed without incident. Waiting on delivery of the reman Bosch starter

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So should we elect Andrew as spelling & grammar officer? Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 4, 2018 10:21 PM, "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" wrote: > > > > Can anyone spell consistently correctly? > > > Not concistunteley. > > -- Jim > ___

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> > Can anyone spell consistently correctly? Not concistunteley. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

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Well, in that, for most cases, I agree with Herr Doktor. Mitch Haley via Mercedes January 4, 2018 at 7:36 PM He signed up to talk about technical details of diesels. Most others were there to talk about technical modifications to diesels. I can't remember for

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I remember him and Haime going round and round. On 1/4/2018 7:36 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: On January 4, 2018 at 6:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" wrote: It seems like he got banned from diesel tech. He signed up to talk about technical details of

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> On January 4, 2018 at 6:30 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > It seems like he got banned from diesel tech. He signed up to talk about technical details of diesels. Most others were there to talk about technical modifications to diesels. I can't

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This, I'd like to see Andrew try this tomorrow a.m. I'll bet you've got a bamboo chop stick that'd be prefect. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On January 4, 2018 5:20:57 PM EST, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote: >If you take the cover off you can use a

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It seems like he got banned from diesel tech. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one? > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon

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Do you mean the contacts or the armature? On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 4:20 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part > that the solenoid snaps closed?) >

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If you take the cover off you can use a stick to close the relay and get some juice to the GPs if the relay is getting juice. Turn on the key, get out and push on the relay switch (what do you call the part that the solenoid snaps closed?) and wait 30sec or whatever then get in and crank it.

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Yes, that was how I saw it. He was fortunate enough to not have a Klima fail. He had a later 124. Randy Bennell via Mercedes January 4, 2018 at 3:45 PM snip He has been gone for a while and I don't recall whether he tended to drive beaters or not. Maybe he

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On 04/01/2018 3:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: snip Remember, Herr Doktor said KLIMA relays NEVER fail!  Every vehicle i've ever had with a Klima, had at LEAST one KLIMA relay fail. snip He has been gone for a while and I don't recall whether he tended to drive beaters or not.

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Nobody is right all the time... -Curt On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 4:34:52 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: I see no correlation between this advice and reality.  Other than if the contacts corrode due to prolonged high-drippy humid-didity, or as

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I see no correlation between this advice and reality. Other than if the contacts corrode due to prolonged high-drippy humid-didity, or as previously postulated, the capacitors give out after 20-30 years on a shelf... Remember, Herr Doktor said KLIMA relays NEVER fail! Every vehicle i've

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Jaime, Marshall didn't explain it that I can remember, but I suppose his data / experience lead to the advice. I suspect the Jim's idea about the electrolytic capacitors going bad is on the right track. Do you think this was bad advice? - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at

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I have spare gp fuses but not a relay. On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 3:49 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one? > > > > On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < >

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He was full of advice that didn’t make sense. How did he explain that one? On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 9:24 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Andrew, > > Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life > compared to their service life, so he

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> > > > > Fred. > > > > > > > > > Fred Moir. > > > Lynn MA. > > > Diesel preferred. > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of R

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on behalf of Rick Knoble > > via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56 > > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes > > Cc: Rick Knoble > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay > > > > >>You might also

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t; > > > > > From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Rick Knoble > > via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56 > > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes > > Cc: Rick Knoble >

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> Fred Moir. > Lynn MA. > Diesel preferred. > > > > From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Rick Knoble > via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: 04 January 2018 10:56 > To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes &g

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There's little to nothing to go wrong in one of those relays due to sitting, excepting maybe the electrolytic capacitors. Those are easy and cheap to replace. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

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: 04 January 2018 10:56 To: Dwight Giles via Mercedes Cc: Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay >>You might also need a roundtuit. ‎>I have a tool box full of those. Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit. Kaleb probably needs a couple

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>>You might also need a roundtuit. ‎>I have a tool box full of those. Send me a few. I really struggle sometimes, getting a roundtuit.  Kaleb probably needs a couple roundtuits too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

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I have a tool box full of those. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 4, 2018 10:19 AM, "MG via Mercedes" wrote: You might also need a roundtuit. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: > I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay. > > On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02

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You might also need a roundtuit. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm

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Andrew, Marshall used to say that the pre-glow relays had a very short shelf life compared to their service life, so he advised that keeping one on the shelf as a spare was not a good idea. I wouldn't be too surprised if your spare is bad, especially if your spare is a used relay. -

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And a visual inspection isn't good enough. Rempve the fuse to check it. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2018 6:00 PM To: Mercedes List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow

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On my 240D's I had valves adjusted every fall. Herr Dr. Used to say that every cold start was,a compression test. And I never had a block heater. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 3, 2018 11:38 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > Andrew does not carry a spare

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Andrew does not carry a spare fuse. It costs 30 cents! Dwight Giles via Mercedes January 3, 2018 at 10:23 PM I always carried a spare GP relay fuse in my 240D's in the winter. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI ___

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I always carried a spare GP relay fuse in my 240D's in the winter. Dwight Giles Jr. Wickford RI On Jan 3, 2018 11:19 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > Same symptom. +12 V at the "HOT" side of the fuse, 0 volt at the GP. > HOWEVER, a bad fuse will give you 0 V

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Same symptom. +12 V at the "HOT" side of the fuse, 0 volt at the GP. HOWEVER, a bad fuse will give you 0 V at the other fuse terminal, unless it is bad the way a lot are, and will show 12 V at both terminals, but not pass enough juice to light the GPs. THUS the advice from Herr DOKTOR to

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I might have both a blown fuse and bad gp relay. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 11:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm > (hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter

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The best way to test them is to pull them out, apply 12 volts then touch to your tongue to see if its hot. On 1/3/2018 10:02 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote: You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm (hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can

Re: [MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

You can (gingerly) touch a glow plug after glowing and feel if it is warm (hot!) to see if they are getting juice. You can also put your voltmeter on the output and see if it the relay is closing and sending juice to the plugs (or at least voltage) You can also take off the cover of the relay

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That's OK - I have five of them so one or two could melt without consequence. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > your PISTONS will melt if you don't CHANGE your fuses. > > > On 1/3/2018 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

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your PISTONS will melt if you don't CHANGE your fuses. On 1/3/2018 9:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Tomorrow. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Did you CHANGE the FUSE? (Herr Doktor Booth) Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

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Tomorrow. On Wed, Jan 3, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Did you CHANGE the FUSE? (Herr Doktor Booth) > > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes >> January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM >> >> It's been at least a decade since I replaced

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Did you CHANGE the FUSE? (Herr Doktor Booth) Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes January 3, 2018 at 3:52 PM It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model car-- 1983

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Did you check the strip fuse for the GP relay? -D > On Jan 3, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks. I can easily check these tomorrow. > > On Jan 3, 2018 4:57 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" > wrote: > > Leave

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Thanks. I can easily check these tomorrow. On Jan 3, 2018 4:57 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" wrote: Leave the door open or turn on the dome light. What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave it there for a while? Take the strip fuse out of the

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Just give it up and call Kaleb. He might give you $500 for the junker just because he likes you. RB On 03/01/2018 3:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the

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Leave the door open or turn on the dome light. What happens to the dome light when you turn the key to 'on' and leave it there for a while? Take the strip fuse out of the relay. Does it crumble in your hand? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

[MBZ] OM 617 glow plug relay

It's been at least a decade since I replaced one of these, so I can't remember what the symptoms were that caused me to do so on the same model car-- 1983 300td. Currently, I can't even jump start my car. The preglow ight glows and goes out, but it does not appear there is any ignition when