Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-08-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I had an issue with my dual 30” Cinema displays where the internal USB hub prevented one from coming on. It was when I moved last time - I connected everything up and only one of them would come on. I poked around and couldn’t figure out what was going on. I had the USB hub in that monitor

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-08-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Maybe you can tell me why my Mac occasionally wakes from sleep and the > machine’s monitor won’t come alive but the external monitor does. I have to > reboot it(unplug it plug back in) and it will work ok again for some random > number of sleep wakes. Every once in awhile my main 30"

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-08-03 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Maybe you can tell me why my Mac occasionally wakes from sleep and the machine’s monitor won’t come alive but the external monitor does. I have to reboot it(unplug it plug back in) and it will work ok again for some random number of sleep wakes. --FT Sent from iPhone > On Aug 3, 2020, at

[MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-08-03 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I've periodically reported on my various Adventures in Computing, and I thought I'd check in again. As some may recall, I upgraded my main desktop home/work (now) system from a Mac Pro 2,1 to a Mac Pro 5,1 (both were common firmware upgrades from the immediately preceding models, followed by CPU

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-05-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> What do you mean by "de-lidded"? Some systems, for thermal reasons, use Intel CPUs that do not have the integrated heat spreader, a.k.a. 'lid', on them. This includes the Mac Pro 4,1 dual-CPU. Intel would make them for you this way, but that is not the normal product. You can remove the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-05-28 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Jim Cathey via Mercedes writes: > Some may recall that I recently upgraded to a MacPro 4,1 machine, and > I had upgraded its CPUs to dual X5690s, which I de-lidded myself. What do you mean by "de-lidded"? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-05-28 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Some may recall that I recently upgraded to a MacPro 4,1 machine, and I had upgraded its CPUs to dual X5690s, which I de-lidded myself. Unfortunately it turned out not to be reliable, and would crash periodically with an internal OS synchronization problem. Either X5690 would work OK by itself

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I'm not willing to try and delid CPUs. I’ve read and seen too many horror > stories about the process going wrong. Having been through it, it's easy. There are just a few mistakes to avoid. I learned what not to do on a $6 X5650, which I destroyed. You could, too. Or, learn from my mistakes

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I bet I could heat my house with that setup. The 4,1, according to my calibrated feet, puts out less heat than the 2,1 did. It's not that much. My work on the 2,1, when trying to get its power draw down, had a minimal system drawing about 100W. Even fairly loaded up it was still only about

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Am I to understand this involves cutting off/removing the metal can > covering the CPU's chip? Yes. Some people use a vise and extreme force. Others, including me, use heat to melt the solder. There is a low-temperature indium (?) solder used to solder the top of the die directly to a heavy

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey > via Mercedes > Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:34 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: Jim Cathey > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers > > Recently I had purchased a dual-CPU MacPro 4,1 (flashed to 5,1) to

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Jim, You are a far braver man than I. I have both a single and dual CPU tray for a 4,1. My current cheesegrater (flashed to 5,1, of course) is running the dual tray but with two quad core Xeons running at 2.26 GHz. I would love to do a CPU upgrade just for grins and because it’s a huge bump in

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
I bet I could heat my house with that setup. G. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey via Mercedes Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2020 12:34 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Jim Cathey Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers Recently I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:33:57 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > For thermal reasons, though, the heat sinks are different on the > dual-CPU 4,1 machines. There isn't enough room to fit two of the > single-CPU sinks, so Apple spec'd de-lidded CPUs for the duals, and > those are a bit hard to

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-04-04 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Recently I had purchased a dual-CPU MacPro 4,1 (flashed to 5,1) to upgrade from my 2,1 running El Capitan. I had to have High Sierra in order to run my work's VMware tasks, and the 5,1 is capable of this. (Not, however, without the 6-core CPU's.) I'd bought a low-speed 4,1 single-CPU tray,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:22:41 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > I bought a new enterprise grade HP Ethernet switch when I set up > networking in the new house. It’s a fan-less 24 port model that even > has a couple of ports for multimode fiber transceivers, which will > never be used, I

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I have a Mac Mini 2009 (3,1) on a shelf in my rack in the utility room that runs my Plex media server. You wouldn’t know it was there unless you looked. The DVR for my camera system makes more noise. I bought a new enterprise grade HP Ethernet switch when I set up networking in the new house.

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I have two active cheese graters in my little work-from-home office, close enough to touch, and with the exception of the 'bad RAM' episode they never make any significant noise. (Some RAM went bad, causing the thermal management subsystem to decide to try to eject the RAM from the box via

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Free enterprise at it's best - maximize $s once you have a virtual monopoly on the market. I also will not buy subscription software from Adobe. On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 8:48 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > The point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware. >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Back in the '90s if you were doing digital video you were using a Mac. Windows options were slim.Today its shifted the other way, if you're not in LA you're probably using a Windows machine. Apple has shafted the Pro video market so regularly that they've finally come to their senses. For

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nice. I did some work in that building in the late 90s, and the guy who liased between our distributor and NBC took us around and showed us the studios and writer’s rooms for SNL. It was off season at the time, so there wasn’t anyone around to speak of. I noted that they had all Mac based

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I don't know if I've told you guys this story before but if I have feel free to delete. Back around 2006-2007 I was teaching at NBC News in 30 Rock. One of the guys I was teaching was ex-Saturday Night Live staff and asked me if I wanted to eat lunch on the SNL set. Well duh...After lunch we

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-18 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
I rarely hear my fans unless I’m rendering video, and even then not that much. As Jim said, I hear my hard drives more than my fans. There were rack mount versions sort of until 2010 - the Xserve products, but I don’t think any of them were as powerful as the cheesegraters. At least not past

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I wouldn't keep a cheese grater around for what I do, they're too big and > noisy. They're big enough, but mine never make noise unless they get hot, which they don't. The hard disks inside make more noise seeking than the fans do. The all-metal case is probably my favorite of all the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
One of the major assets of the cheese graters is the internal drive bays. (Here I'm disregarding the G5's, and the newest re-issue of the form.) All of them support 4 SATA drives with ease. All of them support 6 SATA drives, with varying amounts of fiddling around. The oldest ones support 8

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
+1    Amen Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote on 3/17/20 8:47 PM: I intend to avoid ALL subscription software like the plague that it is. Just as I avoid the cloud. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> The point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware. ONE point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware. That's not what I'm using it for, though. I'm _simulating_ what would be independent boxes in production within my development environment. I don't care much about the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It is. I wouldn't keep a cheese grater around for what I do, they're too big and noisy. I never liked the cheese grater case and in particular I loathed Apple's answer to how to mount them in a 19" rack which involved a hacksaw on your $5,000 computer... -Curt On Tuesday, March 17, 2020,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Well, Jim was talking about running VMware. The point of virtualization is to fully utilize hardware.I've never used Fusion for any serious virtualization but I've got some dual 8 core machines in the office with 320GB of RAM each that we do student systems on. Its amazing that with 4 servers

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sounds like you’ve got the “trash can”, not a cheesegrater. -D > On Mar 17, 2020, at 9:11 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: > > With all this talk I had to go check what I've got. > > Mine is apparently a 6,1. Quad core 3.7Ghz, 32GB of RAM. IIRC its only got a > 256GB internal drive. I've got a 4TB

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
With all this talk I had to go check what I've got. Mine is apparently a 6,1. Quad core 3.7Ghz, 32GB of RAM. IIRC its only got a 256GB internal drive. I've got a 4TB external drive I move between it and my Macbook Pro for video editing. Mostly this machine gets used for watching Amazon prime

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> What is a cheesegrater? Every Mac Pro except the now-superseded round 'trashcan' model, and including the first G5 PowerMac. So named because of the strong resemblance the front of the case has to the common kitchen tool. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Sorry. Mac Geekspeak: https://512pixels.net/2017/04/the-cheese-grater-mac-pro/ -D > On Mar 17, 2020, at 5:55 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > What is a cheesegrater? > > Allan > > Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > >> Nice. >> >> I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Unless you have software designed to use all of [the cores] what use are they? None whatsoever. DxO PhotoLab (current name) _is_ one of the things that will make good use of all available cores. This program is what prompted my move to a cheese grater to begin with. This after processing

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
What is a cheesegrater? Allan Dan Penoff via Mercedes writes: > Nice. > > I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad core Xeons running at 2.26GHz, > 28GB of RAM, a GTX680 flashed with Apple firmware, 500GB SSD for the boot > drive, two 1TB hard drives for file storage and a 6TB hard drive

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> It’s in another physical location in the house, which is good enough for me. My brother suffered a catastrophic house fire. It got his primary computer, a new-to-him cheesegrater, and its backup drive. It also got his former primary computer, an XP machine of some sort which had not yet been

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:56:13 -0700 Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote: > This tower can hold much more RAM and disk than I can use with > the new-ish laptop I've been using. And, the 30" monitor is pretty > nice. When I'm done I should have a 12-core (24-thread) 3.3GHz CPU > array, 48GB of RAM, 3TB

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:11 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I see some people’s eyes glazing over as they read this, but I can’t > emphasize enough how important it is to BACKUP YOUR DATA! I got burned many > years ago and swore never again. Removable storage is

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Good point, but I don’t run VMware on my cheesegrater so it’s not an issue. The few VMs I run on occasion I’ll do on VirtualBox. Since swapping CPUs on these means taking them apart (de-lidding) I’ll stick with what I’ve got. My 4,1/5,1 came with an Apple RAID card and four 800GB 15k iSCSI

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I’ve toyed with the idea of upgrading processors, but for what? VMware Fusion 10 & 11 will NOT run on your E5520 (?) Nehalem CPU's, just as they do not on my X5570's. That's what prompted my push to putting in two X5690 Westmeres; if I have to do surgery anyway, I might as well put in the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Nice. I’ve got a 4,1 flashed to 5,1 with dual quad core Xeons running at 2.26GHz, 28GB of RAM, a GTX680 flashed with Apple firmware, 500GB SSD for the boot drive, two 1TB hard drives for file storage and a 6TB hard drive as an internal Time Machine backup that I mirror to my FreeNAS box daily.

[MBZ] OT: Computers

2020-03-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
I'm in the middle of upgrading my tricked-out Mac Pro 1,1 to a tricked-out Mac Pro 4,1. This is essentially for work purposes, and when I'm done it'll be running High Sierra instead of El Capitan, and as a result capable of running the latest VMware and DxO packages. This tower can hold much

[MBZ] OT computers

2013-10-29 Thread Randy Bennell
Computers are getting smarter and that is a good thing. Yesterday morning, I came into my office and when my monitor lit up, there was a box in the middle of the screen telling me that Microsoft Windows thought my hard drive was failing and suggested I take immediate steps to secure my data.

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
No jars needed, I have a kegerator (photo attached). Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread Royce Engler
Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that can serve as a point of contention among all who care to debate it. (Fun over beer.) Talking about the explosive proliferation of same. That's quite clearly a US

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread E M
I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim said... I thought the first true computer was build by the British... Not talking about the _invention_ of the computer, that

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread E M
] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 10:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... I say we all head over to Tom's house to continue this debate over a few jars of his 14% brew ;-). Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread Tom Hargrave
Long drive.. Tom www.kegkits.com - Original Message - From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: 2/17/08 2:47 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT computers... Wow, perfect, we're on our way over!! ;-) Ed 300E On 17/02/2008, Tom Hargrave

Re: [MBZ] OT computers...

2008-02-17 Thread Ed Booher
On Feb 17, 2008 3:12 PM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Long drive.. Tom www.kegkits.com How long? EdB -- I'm a Night Elf Mohawk! - Mr. T. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-07 Thread Allan Streib
Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Note I'm not saying it can't be done on Windows, but I know from exp. that it takes a heck of a lot more work to get it happening than it should on modern hardware with a modern OS, and UNIX was built in the 70's.) It's klunky on windows, I think you have

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-07 Thread Ed Booher
On Feb 1, 2008 10:55 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you don't use a GUI you can do a surprising amount of business computing on very modest hardware. Allan Even if you do use a GUI you can do a surprising amount of business computing on modest hardware. You wouldn't see a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-07 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 7, 2008 10:46 AM, Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Note I'm not saying it can't be done on Windows, but I know from exp. that it takes a heck of a lot more work to get it happening than it should on modern hardware with a modern OS, and UNIX was built in the 70's.) And the end

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-07 Thread Ed Booher
On Feb 7, 2008 2:48 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Note I'm not saying it can't be done on Windows, but I know from exp. that it takes a heck of a lot more work to get it happening than it should on modern hardware with a modern OS, and UNIX

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-04 Thread R A Bennell
Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers I could really use a tube tester. Any idea where to get a decent one for a good price? Ideally it would be multiple voltage for when I go back home. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-04 Thread Jeff Zedic
Hey Randy! That would be great. I'd appreciate any info you may have! Thanks, Jeff Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-04 Thread R A Bennell
cost to ship it anywhere. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeff Zedic Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 12:05 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers Hey Randy! That would be great. I'd appreciate any info you may

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-02 Thread Jim Cathey
Does a VTVM still have the highest input impedence, therefore the least effect on the circuit it's measuring? I think the 10MOhm/V figure of the basic VTVM was the figure to beat when they designed the FET-input (and subsequent) meters, and so they did. (Or at least meet it.) It's awfully

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-02 Thread Jeff Zedic
Gents, How difficult is it to build a tube tester? I run a lot of tube audio equipment and have LOTS of tubes I'd like to match up with regards to plate rating. Any schematics/plans you could point me to? Thanks, Jeff ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-02 Thread OK Don
Mine is more like 1963 or so --- still one the same tube also. As the old saying goes, Real radios glow in the dark. It's awfully hard to kill a vacuum tube, though, so I still like the VTVM when generally poking around. Mine's still on the original vacuum tube. We built it in what, about

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Bill
: [MBZ] OT: Computers My buddy had a PET with 4 kb of memory... Little known fact: the PET was designed for Radio Shack, but Tandy thought it so nasty that they designed the Trash-80 to deploy instead. Commodore decided to sell it themselves. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was in Havana in the mid 1980's the travel bureaus there were using that 'Trash-80' in their offices. The only reason I quit using my 8mhz Zenith notebook was that it refused to power up one day, even after I took both batteries

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Allan Streib
Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was in Havana in the mid 1980's the travel bureaus there were using that 'Trash-80' in their offices. If you don't use a GUI you can do a surprising amount of business computing on very modest hardware. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Jim Cathey
Any one else here ever built a Heath Kit ?? Yup. Re-built a couple my dad built too, now they work correctly! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread George Larribeau
Zenith Any one else here ever built a Heath Kit ?? George Larribeau Dallas Texas The only reason I quit using my 8mhz Zenith notebook was that it refused to power up one day, even after I took both batteries out for an hour. It wasn't suitable for web browsing or windoze, but worked fine

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread R A Bennell
available. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of George Larribeau Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers Zenith Any one else here ever built a Heath Kit ?? George Larribeau

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Bill
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 10:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was in Havana in the mid 1980's the travel bureaus there were using

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Feb 1, 2008 10:23 AM, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting rid of the extra stuff in our modern programs would sure whittle them down a lot. All I need is word processing, spell check and a few fonts. How big does MS Office Enterprise need to be to just do that? A lot of people have

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread LWB250
I still have my first one - an LED alarm clock. Sits right on my bedside table and has been waking me up consistently for close to 30 years. I built a bunch of HK stuff. Anything in particular you were wondering about? Dan Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one else here

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Jim Cathey
I did a VTVM, Tube Tester, RF generator etc. Should have kept them. People now collect this stuff. I still use the VTVM, every time I need to measure something on the bench. The fluke gets used too if I need more accuracy, or current. I collected two more of the same model at the thrift

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Jeff Zedic
I could really use a tube tester. Any idea where to get a decent one for a good price? Ideally it would be multiple voltage for when I go back home. Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread OK Don
Does a VTVM still have the highest input impedence, thereofre the least effect on the circuit it's measuring? My Knightkit VTVM is in the attic - need to get it down and fire it up again. I last used the Tektronics scope (all tube) to measure the distributor pickup coil output on the SLC a couple

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-02-01 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Fri, 1 Feb 2008 23:28:18 -0600, OK wrote: Does a VTVM still have the highest input impedence, thereofre the least effect on the circuit it's measuring? No. A good modern digital meters have a 10M ohm input impedance. VTVM is about the same, if I'm remembering correctly. A

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-01-31 Thread Bill
a PET with 4 kb of memory, and with that much power [!] and a 4 pen plotter [leased] he started a business. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: 1/30/08 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers My

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-01-31 Thread Harry Watkins
My first computer was a Sinclare (sp). You had to plug it into a tape player for storage. I built a Heath Kit all-in-one for my second. Enjoyed building it more than using it. Harry On Jan 30, 2008 9:17 AM, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first computer, a PC with a 40MB HD

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-01-31 Thread Jim Cathey
My buddy had a PET with 4 kb of memory... Little known fact: the PET was designed for Radio Shack, but Tandy thought it so nasty that they designed the Trash-80 to deploy instead. Commodore decided to sell it themselves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] OT Computers was Re: the mailman shows up this morning

2008-01-30 Thread Kevin Kraly
a Mac SE. With a, get this, 20 mb hard drive. Cost $5500, and if you wanted real speed and set up to the SE30, with a 40 mb drive, it was a cool $7500! My first computer, a PC with a 40MB HD purchased in 1990 was $10K, but that included the nifty talking gadgetry (card, external speaker,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Computers

2008-01-30 Thread Jim Cathey
My first computer, a PC with a 40MB HD purchased in 1990 was $10K, Mine was an 1802 single board computer with 256 bytes of RAM. It was $99, as I recall. Gobs of fun at the time. I still have it, it worked the last time I fired it up. Its special talent was its video output port. (Block

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-30 Thread George Larribeau
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again thanks dude, I will give that a try. George Larribeau wrote: Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks' for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there is also lists for 'optional software and hardware

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-30 Thread Gary Hurst
Windows in the long run. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-30 Thread Allan Streib
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dickie swears by BSD and we all know, um, just how reliable his stuff is. Wasn't all his hardware cobbled together from discarded salvage though? As I recall most of the problems he had were disk drives failing and not having proper backups. The OS can't

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-30 Thread Ed Booher
BSD is one of the most reliable subversions of UNIX. OS X is based loosely around BSD, and Solaris is a BSD kernel. Just because Dickie doesn't know how to tune his systems doesn't mean the engine is bad. Ed On Jan 30, 2008 12:27 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dickie swears by BSD and

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread LarryT
: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again It seems than at Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:39:37 -0500, LarryT wrote: Is it a problem using a SATA HD as a slave to a ATA HDs -- That doesn't apply. The slave master designation is for the two devices allowed on a ATA channel. The term slave drive no longer

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Tom Hargrave
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com CC: Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again As far as the heat, would it be permissable to leave the side panel off to pull extra air into the box? Looks like I can mix the HDs as long as I can live with performance issues. Thx - Larry T (67 MGB, 74

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread LarryT
http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Computer cases are designed to cool better with the cover on. That's why

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread LarryT
. - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread R A Bennell
, 2008 10:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again The Antec cases are the way to go. They might be more expensive, but you have something you'll be happy with. Craig Yup. And they have good service. The power supply fan fail in my Sonata.(extra quiet) I called

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:24:20 -0500, LarryT wrote: I can pull the info about my mobo - but is it safe to assume, since there is a power and data cable from the mobo the SATA is supported? I better pull the manual - If there is a place for the data cable to connect to the

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread LarryT
://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Curt Raymond
its own airflow design, as will the processor, everything else will start to run hot. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:24:20 -0500 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Mitch Haley
I had some trouble and had to reformat my XP hard drive again. I've still got the SP2.cab file from the Service Pack 2 I downloaded last weekend. Is there a way I can install sp2 from the cabinet file without running windows update and downloading for seven hours again? Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble
speaking of windows update, I have 2 different computers that I do the windows update, it downloads them but wont install any of the updates. AFter it goes thru its deal, says update failed. Anybody got a clue about that? If you repaired the copies of Windows XP from the Windows disk,

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
thanks dude, I will give that a try. George Larribeau wrote: Kaleb, I am assuming W2K or XP. Try the 'custom button after it 'thinks' for a while you will get a list with the 'critical updates on it (there is also lists for 'optional software and hardware(driver related) ignore these lists

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again Larry, SATA is only the interface and the drive mechanics are exactly the same as a standard ATA or SCSI drive. That's not to say that SCSI is not faster

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Curt Raymond
it sees a file it grabs it, compresses it and spits a finished file out. One of my better low buck projects. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 17:32:00 -0600 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well, what happened was I had an old cracked version of xp installed, but got a legal corporate copy from my brother who is in the computer business and did the upgrade option to install it so I could use windows update. Before, with the old copy, it would say I did not have a genuine copy.

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
WOW, that fixed my problem. These OT questions are great!! This list is more helpful than just for MB problems. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well, what happened was I had an old cracked version of xp installed, but got a legal corporate copy from my brother who is in the computer business and

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble
WOW, that fixed my problem. These OT questions are great!! This list is more helpful than just for MB problems. Glad it worked. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-29 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:40:08 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had some trouble and had to reformat my XP hard drive again. I've still got the SP2.cab file from the Service Pack 2 I downloaded last weekend. Is there a way I can install sp2 from the cabinet file without running

Re: [MBZ] OT, computers again

2008-01-28 Thread Luther
My shopping is based on the warranty and quality. Antec cases and power supplies-some have 3 year warranties, lower quality have 1year warranty. AMD-get a processor that is boxed with heat sink and fan, they have a 3 year warranty. ASUS motherboards have 3 year warranties, most other brands

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