Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No - that is YOUR role. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:52 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Do you all not think that Andrew is a troll who likes to post things > that will cause some angry responses? > > > > On 02/07/2019 11:42 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
Do you all not think that Andrew is a troll who likes to post things that will cause some angry responses? On 02/07/2019 11:42 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: Ah yes! as in Billy bob.    Most of us have forgotten that un. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 7/2/19 11:14 AM:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
Ah yes!  as in Billy bob.    Most of us have forgotten that un. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 7/2/19 11:14 AM: Could call rapists "president" as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
Not since 2001. Mitch. > On July 2, 2019 at 12:14 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Could call rapists "president" as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Could call rapists "president" as well. On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:00 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > We are now calling the local drug dealers "Unlicensed Pharmacist" you > know.. in keeping with the new "PC Speak". > Rapist are now to be referred to as "Undocumented sex workers" and bank

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2019-07-02 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
We are now calling the local drug dealers "Unlicensed Pharmacist" you know.. in keeping with the new "PC Speak". Rapist are now to be referred to as "Undocumented sex workers" and bank robbers "accounting assistants"... just so we don't offend anyone. More later, I'm late for my anger

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On July 1, 2019 at 8:40 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > > Andrew, > How about creating zero emissions cities? The real cause of worldwide > pollution is the intense people density of city dwellers. The extreme high > concentration of people, with their cumulative pollution density, of all

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-02 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On July 1, 2019 at 10:30 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > > It is a physical impossibility.   Displaced, emissions, perhaps, but 0 > emissions = 0 lift. Zero thrust anyway, the wings still provide lift while gliding. Speaking as a fan of electric cars, I actually tried pretty

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
It is a physical impossibility.   Displaced, emissions, perhaps, but 0 emissions = 0 lift. Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 7/1/19 6:51 PM: Actually, what's wrong with a zero emissions plane? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
"We believe it is feasible for short-haul electric jets to be coming to the market by the mid '20s [or] '30s." "electric jet"??? If its elektrick, it is NOT a jet. If it is a Jet, is is not Lektrick, (other than the starter and aux power...) Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 7/1/19

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
*Reductio ad absurdo.* On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Neutron bomb? > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:41 PM G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > > How about creating zero emissions cities? > > > > >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Neutron bomb? - Max Charleston SC On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:41 PM G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > How about creating zero emissions cities? > where is the off switch for big cities and population? > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Andrew, How about creating zero emissions cities? The real cause of worldwide pollution is the intense people density of city dwellers. The extreme high concentration of people, with their cumulative pollution density, of all types, is having a huge effect on the world atmosphere, soil condition,

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I guess time will tell. On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:13 PM OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > Actually, you should call them remote emission planes, but the problem is > the energy density of batteries vs fuel. As Grant stated, weight is the > opposite of lift (flying). The more weight, the less flying

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2019-07-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Actually, you should call them remote emission planes, but the problem is the energy density of batteries vs fuel. As Grant stated, weight is the opposite of lift (flying). The more weight, the less flying you can do. So, keeping weight to a reasonable value with batteries means very limited

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Actually, what's wrong with a zero emissions plane? On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 12:37 PM fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Mitch wrote: > > > > > I'm confused. > > The energy density of the batteries is too low for us to have > > electric airliners, so instead we'll make partially electric > >

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> Mitch wrote: > > I'm confused. > The energy density of the batteries is too low for us to have > electric airliners, so instead we'll make partially electric > airliners? Logic. You are using logic. What you are supposed to do is say, "Oooh! Electric is good. The planet will thank you!"

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
"Well said" Just happens, I worked for PH, the company that made the stage seals that failed on that public disaster... I recall very well the collective engineering sphincter pucker that went company wide, after the disaster. I worked for another division, but the spill over went company

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
As Richard Feynman said after the Challenger shuttle accident: "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." G Mann via Mercedes writes: > Logic impaired engineering, IMHO The hard rule in aviation, the > one that permits an

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Logic impaired engineering, IMHO The hard rule in aviation, the one that permits an airplane to fly, is "Weight is your enemy" always... if you can leave an ounce on the ground, you fly higher and longer... A charged battery weighs the same as a discharged battery, thus, when you have no more

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
Yes, there is a dearth of details --- On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:16 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > I'm confused. > The energy density of the batteries is too low for us to have electric > airliners, so instead we'll make partially electric airliners? > > If the

Re: [MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
I'm confused. The energy density of the batteries is too low for us to have electric airliners, so instead we'll make partially electric airliners? If the energy density of the electric power system is too low after you jetison the jet engines, how does it get better when you retain the jet

[MBZ] OT: Electric airplanes

2019-07-01 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
No diesel content. Now arriving: Electric airplanesPublished: Friday, June 28, 2019[image: Faradair hybrid airplane. Photo credit: Faradair/Cover images/Newscom] Faradair's hybrid airplane prototype. Faradair/Cover images/Newscom Startup plane manufacturers are edging their way into the