even when I was in school (the 60s) I and the others I went to school
with were also taught with some educating thrown in. Personally, I never
did well being told what to do. If I could see the need for something
or if the need was explained, I was an enthusiastic learner. ;-) But
the
Peter wrote:
Certainly NOT engineering or wastewater treatment.
Tell us which wastewater engineering firm?
mao
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I fear most chirruns are taught, and those who are educated will be the ones
who lead...
Does $$ play in positioning for leadership position?
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I learned at a rather late age that there is a difference between
teaching and educating. I had been taught for many years in the
teaching system and did well. When I was being educated it was quite
a shock, though I guess I eventually benefited from it and did OK but it
required
By contrast, she makes andrew look like a gun totin texas conservative.
So, she's a liberal too?
--R
On 2/16/15 7:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
She is one of those smart people who are actually quite stupid.
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It's fairly common to mistake memorization for intelligence. One
thing I always stressed when teaching is that ideas are different than
words, and one must understand the ideas/concepts being translated
into and out of words in order to learn.
My ex-boss is a perfect example -- she got
Ya gotta be able to THINK. No matter how bad things may get - in combat,
building a house or a space ship, driving a car, flying an aircraft, sailing an
ocean, making a cup of coffee, or digging a ditch, ya gotta be able to think
and do what is right - to innovate as necessary to do what is
I can tell the smart ones in class for the things I don't have to tell them.
The ability to take A and B and come up with C on your own is what sets smart
people apart...
-Curt
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So, she's a liberal too?
--R
On 2/16/15 7:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
She is one of those smart people who are actually quite stupid.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
So she’s dead because she believed the lunar landing
The less said the better.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
By contrast, she makes andrew look like a gun totin texas conservative.
So, she's a liberal too?
--R
On 2/16/15 7:10 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
She is one
I had been brought up understanding that schooling was to learn how to think.
The new schooling is to find out what to think. The more ivory tower, the
gooder you are schooled. If you have to think, then you have failed. Just be
able to recite the mantra, and all your peers will believe
Andrew,
Are you just fooling around with us or do you really believe that the lunar
landing photos were faked?
I can tell you that I worked for Buzz Aldrin in 1972 and I knew Neal Armstrong
(last talked to him in 2007). If they faked the landing they certainly did a
great job of continuing the
Yeah, I used to have to work for one of those too. What a pain in the
sitting part.
Peter
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I believe that his tongue was placed firmly in his cheek - - -
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Andrew,
Are you just fooling around with us or do you really believe that the
lunar landing photos were faked?
From: Andrew Strasfogel
She is one of those smart people who are actually quite stupid.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
So she’s dead because she believed the lunar landing was faked?
Did the Illuminati do her in?
Dan
On Feb 16, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Andrew
Original Message
From: Andrew Strasfogel:
OMG you don't know me at all.
My former partner steadfastly believed the lunar landing was faked, and
nothing could shake this belief. That was one of her fatal flaws...
Probably not safe for work. Vulgarity, and maybe some nudity.
Penn and Teller.
Ahhh…… My faith in the List is restored! ;-)
Addison
On Feb 16, 2015, at 4:23 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
From: astrasfo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Global none-warming. was: Where to dump the snow in
Boston?
OMG you don't know me at all.
My former partner steadfastly believed
OMG you don't know me at all.
My former partner steadfastly believed the lunar landing was faked, and
nothing could shake this belief. That was one of her fatal flaws...
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:44 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:
I believe that his tongue was placed
So she’s dead because she believed the lunar landing was faked?
Did the Illuminati do her in?
Dan
On Feb 16, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
OMG you don't know me at all.
My former partner steadfastly believed the lunar landing was faked,
The goal of education is learning how to think. Thinking requires facts but
education is not just learning facts. Comments like this imply that our
education system isn't working.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:11 PM
She is one of those smart people who are actually quite stupid.
I have a brother like that.
Greg
-Original Message-
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Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 4:11 PM
To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes
So do I.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
She is one of those smart people who are actually quite stupid.
I have a brother like that.
Greg
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On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:35 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
The goal of education is learning how to think. Thinking requires facts
but education is not just learning facts.
The goal of education is learning how to think. Thinking requires
facts but education is not just learning facts. Comments like this
imply that our education system isn't working.
Sadly, it has not been so for some decades.
The goal of the current ejamacashun sistem is to turn out good
There is no education system that can teach someone to think. Either they
will, or they won't. The education system can give those who are capable
the tools they need to not have to re-invent the wheel. The rest can only
be made to be (hopefully) functional enough to do what the thinkers want
them
This episode is better - - but definitely NSFW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkC4hj07dh8
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
Probably not safe for work. Vulgarity, and maybe some nudity.
Penn and Teller. The name of the show is Bullsh*t!
Scott wrote:
I have become very skeptical about information we get from the established
media these days, especially when reported stuff disagrees with my personal
observations.
Totally agree!!
However, a slight change in our actions can become a reasonable
national unity among us citizens
Paul Homewood, who, on his Notalotofpeopleknowthat blog, had checked the
published temperature graphs for three weather stations in Paraguay against the
temperatures that had originally been recorded. In each instance, the actual
trend of 60 years of data had been dramatically reversed, so
Andrew,
The article that I think Curt posted several days ago about experiencing
relentless inundation of coastal areas,
such as Miami (your words) included a key bit of information that perhaps you
missed. When the everglades were drained, the elevation in the area dropped by
seven feet.
Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked the
pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie..
-Curt
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Curt, you just don't get it. The same folks who faked the lunar landing
photos have figured out a way to make it appear that the ice caps are
melting and glaciers are receding. They are being funded by latte-guzzling
liberals who want you to drive a Prius.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Curt
So if the polar ice cap isn't melting, what do you think has caused the
worldwide rise in sea level? The relentless inundation of coastal areas,
such as Miami, NYC, Boston and other low lying metropoli? Trick
photography? Conspiracy by the renewable energy cartel?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:17
Meade, the only phenomenon that accounts for such disparate placess
as Pacific islands, NYC, Boston, Miami and other coastal cities sinking
into the sea is a rise in sea level. Are you seriously doubting that there
is such a rise in sea level?
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Andrew Strasfogel
So in Patagonia the mountains there were under a km of ice back 10k
years ago or so. Now the mountains are like 1.5km high, so the ice was
2.5km thick there (give or take). Absent paleolithic SUVs and CFPPs,
what caused all that ice to melt?
I have a sense that many peoples' resistance to
The whole area where we lived in Houston had sunk by 9ft (it might have
been more, I forget) over the last 75 years due to groundwater
extraction. The clay soil expands when wet (which means it shrinks when
it dries, which means your foundations need to be watered!).
I thought that was
Yeah, acid rain is a TERRIBLE example. We cleaned up emissions and the
rain pH rose. We still have issues with nitrates and mercury but overall,
air quality has definitely improved as a result of Clean Air Act
regulations. Even the Boehner bunch acknowledge this
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 10:44
Andrew,
So you've already done the research yourself on these areas, or are you
accepting the claims by the alarmists at face value?
How much have the seas risen?
Do you remember the hysteria about acid rain back in the 80's? Or the
Population Bomb back in the 70's? This is just the current
Yeahbut, they drained the Everglades decades ago...
Regardless living in such a low area is clearly not a smart idea...
-Curt
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mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday,
Where I used to live in Italy (just north of Naples), the ground elevation
could change by 5 or 10 feet in a matter of months, due to the volcanic
activity so close to the surface. Our command had to have a Continuity of
Operations Plan to relocate in the event of a volcanic eruption.
The earth
Where I used to live in Italy (just north of Naples), the ground elevation
could change by 5 or 10 feet in a matter of months, due to the volcanic
activity so close to the surface. Our command had to have a Continuity of
Operations Plan to relocate in the event of a volcanic eruption.
The earth
Acid rain killed areas, cleaned up air quality standards have helped. That
wasn't a fad but since its lessened it gets a lot less airplay, theres a new
boogieman today. It is as it has always been and shall always be.
-Curt
From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
To: Andrew
Curt wrote:
Whats causing glaciers to recede? Even if temperature data is being faked
the pictures of big lakes where there used to be glaciers doesn't lie..
You asked...
Max wrote:
The earth has never been static (in geology and in climate) and it never
will be. This is just the way it is. Man will adapt and survive, as he
has done so for millenia...
Yes, but we have never become quite so zealous about doing something
with sooo much of the mantle, never have
Andrew wrote:
They are being funded by latte-guzzling liberals who want you to drive a
Prius.
Funny. I like.
mao
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(who watches sea level rise and fall a coupla times a day, every day)
No Miami groundwater issues?
mao
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You were trained as a geologist I believe.
We have all been trained in a common core tradition.
Yet our politics, religion, family, age, IQ affect us differently so
we arrive at pole opinions on these things. We are individuals that
love freedom. Andrew can agree generally with
Used to be the current Carolina lowlands were 150 miles from the ocean. Very
populated lands with hundreds of villages are now underwater. Did the natives
think they caused the seas to sweep into their lands because they had done some
ignoble thing to the environment? What did the people in
If the North pole melted and all ice bergs completely, sea level raise would be
exactly ZERO. South pole is different. I lived on the Texas Gulf coast from
1969 to 1973 and the sea level there rose several feet during that brief
time. Global warming? Nope. All caused by land subsidence
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