Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread John Freer
My Panosonic Plasma has settings Zoom, Hi-full, full, Justify and 4.3. Changing to Justify resolves the problem you are experiencing, at least on my set. John On 4/8/08, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its hooked up via hdmi. No, not zoomed in. I have both regular history, and HD

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread LWB250
Correct. We loath Sam Walton and all his company represents after they came into our small town in Wisconsin some years back and totally destroyed a vibrant, active and productive downtown full of locally owned businesses. Some good friends who owned a local pharmacy and were about five years

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread Mitch Haley
LWB250 wrote: Correct. We loath Sam Walton and all his company represents I think Sam's business model was OK. Successful enough to be a disruptive influence, but not evil. What has been done with the company since he relinquished leadership is something else. I go there once or twice a

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread LWB250
The sad part about all of this is that we had a really active downtown business district with things like shoe stores, a men's store, a grocery, etc., that were all locally owned. If I forgot my checkbook (this was before the days of debit cards) it was no big deal - Pay me next week when you

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread John Robbins
Mitch Haley wrote: I think Sam's business model was OK. Successful enough to be a disruptive influence, but not evil. What has been done with the company since he relinquished leadership is something else. So what has changed since he relinquished control?

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-09 Thread Rick Knoble
(FIBs are F---ing Illinois bastards, for those not familiar with southeastern Wisconsin terms.) FIB is also a Northwest Indiana term. Perhaps Southeastern Michigan too. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread LWB250
Thanks for all the feedback, folks. Looks like Samsung is probably the one, which I had also figured out based on reviews I'm seeing. We're on cable here, but I have no idea what we'll end up with in Indiana. Probably cable as well, but that's going to be determined by where the house is.

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread mak
Samsung . very good value for money. My 40 gives satisfying results. mak - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 3:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs I just bought a 65 toshiba

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Speaking of HDTV's, I have been noticing lately that I have some of the pic cut off on some channels. For instance, the History channel. I notice it because the H will be half or more cut off on the side, and some of the text will be cut off and you cant see. Same with some of the over air

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rolf
The newer screens have dynamic contrast, its just a hack but is quite noticeable. LCD's are alot more competitive with plasma these days. I would say plasma will be all by phased out sooner than later due to production costs vs that of LCD. Still no true black for LCD but pretty darn close.

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rolf
Are you on DVI/HDMI or component? Sure its not zoomed in? History comes in HD now you know, even though most of the content is still 4:3. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Speaking of HDTV's, I have been noticing lately that I have some of the pic cut off on some channels. For instance, the

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread LWB250
I looked at a couple of Samsungs at Dead Sam's today while I was passing through. One of them (I think it was a 40) said it had 5000:1, but other than that I didn't noticed any of the other specs. I didn't realize that LCDs had gotten up to those sorts of ratios - I thought that was one of the

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Its hooked up via hdmi. No, not zoomed in. I have both regular history, and HD history and of course the regular comes in with the black bars on the side, since its more a square pic. The HD fills up the screen but just seems zoomed in or something like you say, except its not zoomed. I

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rolf
I do know that they had some funky setup 4:3 on 16:9. I will check tonight as well, who is your provider? I have Dish. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Its hooked up via hdmi. No, not zoomed in. I have both regular history, and HD history and of course the regular comes in with the black

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
dish, and on their box, it has option to set what type of TV, such as 1080i, 720 etc. Also you can pic 16x9, 4x3 etc. All of which is set correct. Rolf wrote: I do know that they had some funky setup 4:3 on 16:9. I will check tonight as well, who is your provider? I have Dish. -Rolf

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rolf
I honestly think its the history channel as I remember pic being skewed as well. I dont have OTA channels, locals all come in via dish. Pisses me off that I cant get PBS in hidef. Nova OTA with no compression artifacting was like heaven. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: dish, and on their box, it has

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
A lot of the History HD stuff is not HD, and they zoom or stretch the std def stuff (even if it is widescreen on std def) to fit the HD 16:9, so sometimes things are a bit weird. --R Rolf wrote: I honestly think its the history channel as I remember pic being skewed as well. I dont have OTA

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread andrew strasfogel
OK - WTF is Dead Sams? On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of the History HD stuff is not HD, and they zoom or stretch the std def stuff (even if it is widescreen on std def) to fit the HD 16:9, so sometimes things are a bit weird. --R Rolf wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Well I figured it out. The dish remote has this format button on it. Guess it got pushed to zoom mode or something. Set it back to normal and its just like it should be. But yes, you are right, about half the stuff is not really HD Rich Thomas wrote: A lot of the History HD stuff is not

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Bill R
, April 08, 2008 6:48 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs OK - WTF is Dead Sams? On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A lot of the History HD stuff is not HD, and they zoom or stretch the std def stuff (even if it is widescreen on std

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Jim Cathey
I didn't realize that LCDs had gotten up to those [5000:1] sorts of ratios - I thought that was one of the things that plasma screens had over LCDs. That's a fake number anyway. The LCD's get those big range numbers by dimming the backlight. Take a 2500:1 panel (?) and put a half-brightness

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Well the Vizio I first got, that crapped out in a week, was no comparison to the Samsung -- even my wife commented on how much better the Samsung was. In doing comparisons, make sure the brightness is down about half, and contrast about half, and colors are about half, then do a comparison.

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Luther
The actual contrast is about 1/3 of the digitally enhanced amount. I learned this when reading reviews and researching my Samsung LCD monitor that is a 3000:1. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi)

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-08 Thread Luther
Call Dish tech support and tell them what is up. It's they're responsibility to fix it. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (176 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts

[MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread LWB250
Our aging 25 Magnavox (Philips) CRT TV passed on the other day (lost it's horizontal hold, I'm sorry to say.) Just what I need with having to get a house ready to go on the market... Anyway, I'm looking at 30-32 LCD TVs these days. Anyone bought one recently, and want to share what they

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Rolf
Make sure you get a Dynamic Contrast Ratio capable screen, the contrast ratios will be in the 1:5000+ range. Don't forget that LCD is measured on the bottom where CRT is diagonal. That 30 is going to be about the same or smaller even than the 25 CRT. You will also want to make sure it is an 8 bit

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't forget that LCD is measured on the bottom where CRT is diagonal. Not true, it's just that most LCDs are 16:9 format, and 16:9 screens have less area for the same diagonal compared to 4:3 screens---about 10% less, so they

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Rolf
Well yes, but horizontal vs diagonal is going to make all the difference. There is no point in getting a 4:3 tv these days, not in 2 more years. If you do over the air make sure it has an ATSC tuner (most but not all do). -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Rolf [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Sunil Hari
My dad bought a sony bravia xbr3 LCD tv from Costco and has been deliriously happy with it. There's a push to buy 1080p (and not just 720p) because in the future broadcasters will broadcast in 1080p; I'm not buying it because by that time, I'll need a new tv anyway. On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 4:57

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no point in getting a 4:3 tv these days, People who have a large amount of otherwise-unavailable material archived in 4:3 format might disagree with you! A small subset of the public, true, but one that is going to be

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Rolf
Those people will have to deal with black bars either way then won't they? Might as well be forward looking :). -Rolf Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no point in getting a 4:3 tv these days, People who have a large

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Rich Thomas
Samsung, best value for price/performance. LCD, 1080P, contrast ratio 10,000 or better, look for at least 2 HDMI inputs (what all vid stuff is moving to) and a tuner (which I think they all have now).. I got a 32 Vizio a few months back, the software/hardware locked up on some channels,

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I just bought a 65 toshiba DLP, but thats a little bigger than you are looking for I suppose. LWB250 wrote: Our aging 25 Magnavox (Philips) CRT TV passed on the other day (lost it's horizontal hold, I'm sorry to say.) Just what I need with having to get a house ready to go on the market...

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Curt Raymond
. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:23:31 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 1:57 PM, Rolf [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs

2008-04-07 Thread Curt Raymond
to Burbank... Meanwhile the price keeps slowly slipping downward. -Curt Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 16:51:55 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - LCD TVs To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859