[MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
The van is not blowing ICE COLD AIR. It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant, have too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F. Also, after some

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Russ Williams
High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT. 104(OAT)x2+32 Russ W. On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote: The van is not blowing ICE COLD AIR. It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM.

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
So, add more R134a? On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net wrote: High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT. 104(OAT)x2+32 Russ W. On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote: The van is not blowing ICE COLD AIR. It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was COLD when

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi. ? ? ? ? The calculator here says 134 - http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html My pressure is higher ? ? ? ? On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: So, add more R134a? On Sun, Jul

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
I just drove the van, the AC got down to 52F while driving 45mph or so. Then I took the ML out for fuel, and saw that it got to 37F over the same route. MUCH more comfortable in the (now) 108F temp. On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: The chart at

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Max Dillon
Those are the wrong charts. Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor is about dead. http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/ From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more refrigerant. -- Max Dillon

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right. However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL the charts! For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Craig
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:11:35 -0400 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Those are the wrong charts. Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor is about dead. http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/ From this

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Dave Walton
Are different oils used with R134a systems? If so, which does Mercedes use? -Dave Walton On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Max Dillon
Yes, question them, they are really just a guide. I agree that these center vent temps from the chart I posted are hooky. When I bought my first AC gauge it came with a chart, and it largely agrees with the car-specific charts for my Mercedes and our Infiniti. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Craig
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:38:09 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right. However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL the

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Max Dillon
Yes, Mercedes 124 calls for a low viscosity oil, someone here posted it last summer. I think the viscosity is determined by the compressor. Then there is the mineral oil versus PAG oil debate... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Are

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Dave Walton
Does oil escape with a leak or is it left behind? In other words - can I just add refrigerant or do I need to add oil as well? -Dave Walton On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Yes, Mercedes 124 calls for a low viscosity oil, someone here posted it last

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread OK Don
Well, it seems that you have to be smart enough to know how to read the gauges! The outer ring of numbers is labled R134a and is green. The next inner ring is black, and labled psi. Turns out that the green ring corresponds to the pressures on the charts I referencd, while the black psi numbers

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Max Dillon
Oil escapes, oily spot will mark the leak... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: Does oil escape with a leak or is it left behind? In other words - can I just add refrigerant or do I need to add oil as well? -Dave Walton On Jul 29, 2012, at

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Peter Frederick
Some of the confusion stems from the fact that R12 has the same temperature and pressure on the low side (that is, in degrees F, 32 psi = 32 degrees). One of the reasons R12 was used in automobiles was that it's simple to see what the evaporator temperature is. R134a doesn't work like

Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

2012-07-29 Thread Peter Frederick
There is no debate about using mineral oil with R134a, it's not a good idea at all unless you want a new compressor soon -- it's not soluble in R134a and circulates poorly. Your choices are PAG or Ester oil, either of which work fine. Nipondenso requires PAG, don't remember the viscosity