Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
Those Nikon Fs have the most wonderful optics. I spent 3.5 years shooting color slides in Fiji and some of the photos of sunsets and portraits taken at 1/4 sec. shutter speeds on Agfachrome were absolutely like paintings. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:13 PM, OK Don wrote: > 1000 rolls through a Ni

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
1000 rolls through a Nikon F is like 50,000 on a 123 300D - just getting broken in. My F3s got close to 1000 rolls per year for 10 years with two CLAs during the time. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 5:14 PM, glenn brown wrote: > > I believe one of the traits for those of us with old M-B diesels is chea

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread glenn brown
I believe one of the traits for those of us with old M-B diesels is cheap genes, as I still have my Nikon F T which I purchased in '68 for $210 w/ the Nikkor F1.4 50mm lens along with a more recent Nikon FTN both of which I don't use as much as I used to but still do shoot film occasionally. N

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Michael Canfield
No idea what they are worth. Give me a price and I will talk to Toni and see if she wants it. Thanks, Mike On Jan 11, 2012 11:28 AM, "andrew strasfogel" wrote: > I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm > f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0 lenses. The lenses were from my old Niko

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
Yes, comparing film grains to pixels is apples to oranges. Measuring captured line pairs is a more valid test, but includes the entire optical chain. 100lpi used to be the benchmark - very few lens/camera combos got there. I've gotten very good results with multiple image panoramas using a mediocre

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
They are much more reasonable now than were just before digital became decent, but still not "cheap". The M6 has a built-in meter, and it works great. The meter is all the battery runs. I ought to sell mine, but I'm still emotionally attached to it. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Allan Streib w

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
I've had the same experience with KEH. Their prices are higher than a lot of eBay sales these days, but you have a lot more confidence buying from them. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Check KEH to get an idea of prices. > > Do understand that their grading system is frighte

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread OK Don
No, they're not collectors items yet, but you can use those lenses with a new digi Nikon body - at least the D700 for sure. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: > I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm > f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0 lenses. The lenses

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread andrew strasfogel
I have a Nikon N 2000 SLR film SLR camera with the f1.4 50 mm, 28mm f3.5, and 200mm f 4.0 lenses. The lenses were from my old Nikon Photonic FTN body and converted so they sync with the 2000. Are these collector's items yet? Does anyone want to make me an offer? All are in primo condition. And

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
My dad's XG-7 is still in good order, although I haven't used it in years. It does require a battery, but I'm not sure if it is necessary for operation or not. I have a bunch of lenses and other goodies for it, but as stated above, they never get used. Like a lot of 35mm gear, it has no value

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
Check KEH to get an idea of prices. Do understand that their grading system is frighteningly conservative, as I have bought stuff labeled BGN and UG (bargain and ugly) that was amazingly nice. Even their EX stuff looks like new. I would not hesitate to buy something from them. Dan Sent from m

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
I was just reading an article about Kodachrome, and in it they stated that a Kodachrome 35mm negative was equivalent to about 20 megapixels. It's a positive, not a negative. That figure might be a bit low. One difference is that with film the three color-sensitive layers are superimposed, where

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Allan Streib
"Larry" writes: > My electronic 35 SLRs have all stopped working properly - but > the Leica made around 1950 and entirely mechanical, works like the day > it was new ;-) It's a great camera once you get used to the focus > mechanism and the separate light meter. If I ever get back int

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Jim Cathey
Leica made around 1950 and entirely mechanical...Doubt I'll get the [electronic] Minoltas fixed - would probably cost more than new ones. Something like a Minolta SRT-101 is also entirely mechanical, except for the light meter. I've got one (unless it's a -201). I don't use it, my Dad was house

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Dan Penoff
iginal Message- From: Alex Chamberlain > Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 2:28 PM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras > > On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: >> > >> Who takes pictures these days? >> > >

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-11 Thread Larry
M To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: Who takes pictures these days? *raises hand* It's nothing compared to the fancy setup some of these guys have, but I have a lot of fun shooting 35mm film with a c

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
I pretty much stuck with Ilford for paper and chemistry, but I really got to know the lower ASA B&W films in the Kodak line early on, back in the days when I was push processing Tri-X (400 ASA) for my high school yearbook. I hated the graininess of the film, even shot at the rated speed, so I st

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Allan Streib
I never really did like any of the Kodak B&W stuff, except the Technical Pan for deliberately high-contrast work. I ususally used Ilford... film, paper, and chemistry. Occasionally experimented with other stuff. Haven't done any of it in years. Allan Dan Penoff writes: > I forgot about the 3

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
I forgot about the 3200 ASA stuff. I so rarely use fast film, I just never paid attention to it. My personal favorite: Plus-X, which I believe was 125 ASA, and Panatomic-X, which I know was only 32 ASA. For color, hands down either Kodachrome 25 or 64 ASA, or Ektachrome if I was looking for so

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 10, 2012 11:45 AM, "Dan Penoff" wrote: > > 3200 ASA?!? > > What are you doing, pushing Tri-X to get that index? > > Yikes! > http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/films/bw/tMaxP3200.jhtml Love this stuff for candid shots, street photography, etc. Alex _

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Dan Penoff
3200 ASA?!? What are you doing, pushing Tri-X to get that index? Yikes! Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: >> > >> Who takes pictures these days? >> > > *raises hand* > > It's nothing compared to

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 7, 2012 1:29 PM, "Mountain Man" wrote: > > Who takes pictures these days? > *raises hand* It's nothing compared to the fancy setup some of these guys have, but I have a lot of fun shooting 35mm film with a couple of old Canon cameras, an AE-1 SLR and a Canonet QL17 rangefinder. Mostly I

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread Mountain Man
OK Don wrote: > Correct - the Nikon crop lenses auto set the full frame sensor to cropped > mode. Who takes pictures these days? ...what is the value of old film cameras? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search li

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread OK Don
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:26 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: > > > I preferred, when it was new, Canon's break with compatibility > in the name of better autofocusing and auto-irising. The dedicated > in-lens motors. Nikon finally had to cave and do the same thing > as Canon was eating their lunch. But th

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-07 Thread OK Don
On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 12:50 AM, Fmiser wrote: > What about replacing the 300 W lamp with a 30 W? That is the > same as shooting ISO 200 as compared to ISO 20. If you really > are going from ISO 2 to ISO 200, then a 3 W halogen is enough! > (this is presuming the lumens/watt is the same for al

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-07 Thread Fmiser
> OK Don wrote: > It's that little 300w halogen projection bulb in the little > metal box that I'm trying to get away from. It was nice when > the ISO of the duplicating film was 2, but a bit of overkill > now that I'm shooting at ISO 200. What about replacing the 300 W lamp with a 30 W? That is

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras

2012-01-07 Thread Jim Cathey
What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. I preferred, when it was new, Canon's break with compatibility in the name of better autofocusing and auto-irising. The dedicated in-lens motors. Nikon finall

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Jan 6, 2012 7:46 PM, "OK Don" wrote: > > > The big advantage with Nikon is the ability to use the vast range of older > lenses, much of which is still very good and far less expensive than it > used to be. You do need a body with manaul controls to use the older glass. > You can do the same w

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Allan Streib
Michael Canfield writes: > What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we > have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. If she's mainly shooting photos for web pages it won't matter. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD _

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Don, I think her favorite feature of the Nikon is the "live view" mode you are speaking of. That may be the biggest deciding factor for her. She also likes a lot of the features of the newer Olympus dslr's and from what I see they will use the Nikon glass and drive the focus motors as well. Th

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
Jim, What makes you prefer Canon over Nikon? She has not used a Canon so we have no comparison. Very good point about the specialty glass. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://w

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: > Neither one of us really knows a lot about equipment and such but we are >> learning. >> > > Nikon and Canon make the best glass. I prefer Canon, generally, > but Nikon's good too. If you do a lot of special-purpose photography, > which might

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Jim Cathey
Neither one of us really knows a lot about equipment and such but we are learning. Nikon and Canon make the best glass. I prefer Canon, generally, but Nikon's good too. If you do a lot of special-purpose photography, which might use a specialist lens, shop the glass first and then buy whateve

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
Good point - I should dust off the color printing analyzer and see what I can measure with it. I have a 10 ft. stainless darkroom sink with stand that I would part with --- On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: > Yabbut if you have an analyzer it should pick up any differences betwe

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Dan Penoff
Yabbut if you have an analyzer it should pick up any differences between light sources, I would think. The LEDs would probably be really cold or blue in color, based on what I have seen of so called "white" LEDs. I used to have a full blown darkroom set up in the house I grew up in. It was ni

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Rich Thomas
I have not looked but I would think you might be able to find datasheets for LEDs that would show their spectra, then you could twiddle with them to get your desired spectrum/a. --R On 1/6/12 5:54 PM, OK Don wrote: The dicroic filters in the colorhead will change the color mix - it will be in

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
#x27;re easy to mount light > boxes on too. Just be careful to provide enough ventilation so the tissue > paper (or whatever you're using) doesn't catch on fire. > > -Curt > > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:25:55 -0600 > From: Fmiser > To: Mercedes Discussion

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
The dicroic filters in the colorhead will change the color mix - it will be inetersting to see what comes out of the "white" LEDs, and how the color balance function on the camera handles it. It would be convenient to be able to work after sundown -- though some early enlargers did use "piped" sunl

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Curt Raymond
he tissue paper (or whatever you're using) doesn't catch on fire. -Curt Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:25:55 -0600 From: Fmiser To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS? Message-ID: <20120106152555.e246308a.fmi...@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/pl

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Rich Thomas
Get an ultrabright RGB LED with a little controller to get the color you want. --R On 1/6/12 4:25 PM, Fmiser wrote: OK Don wrote: I'm going to try converting the inverted color head I used for duplicating slides to LED illumination (to reduce heat and brightness) and see if I can get good resu

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Fmiser
> OK Don wrote: > I'm going to try converting the inverted color head I used for > duplicating slides to LED illumination (to reduce heat and > brightness) and see if I can get good resulting copying my > negs and slides with the D700 and the Ziess 1:1 duplicating > lens. Good luck - but don't h

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Canfield
If anyone here has a dslr and/or other equipment my girl can use for her new photography career they are willing to part with please let me know. We don't have much money so not looking for real high end stuff, would be great if I could swap some w123 parts for stuff someone doesn't need. She is

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread OK Don
I still have all the equipment for a decent darkroom - Leitz Focomat IIc, Jobo processer, etc. I never did like the work from labs, except for custom color printing labs - the4y were better than I was. I don't shoot cheap digi cams - but really like the Nikon D700. The best part is the ability to

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Dan Penoff
Dwayne's does a great job if you are unable to find a local lab. I have a love/hate relationship with my Mamiya M645 Super and an RB67 that I have borrowing rights for. I love to shoot film, but these cameras are so inconvenient to carry around (especially the RB67!) If I was on a leisurely va

Re: [MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-06 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
That shot was taken with a digital camera, but there is still good support for film and developing out there. Despite the bad press, Kodak and Fuji (and some other little guys) are making excellent modern films with scanning in mind. I scan the film itself with a Epson flatbed scanner designed to

[MBZ] OT - film cameras, was: Is this BS?

2012-01-05 Thread OK Don
What are you using to scan - and are you scanning film or the prints? Is chemistry still readily available? I recently moved my collection of film cameras, and am getting tempted to dust them off, clean the shutters, and run film through them again. On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 7:02 PM, Jaime Kopchinski