I'm not sure that I'd do that with any machine tools.
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On Sep 11, 2011, at 19:51, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Well actually, with a bit of experimenting, you can use a 3 phase mixer on
single phase pretty
You must be speaking of a three phase delta system. That's the only one you
would have a high leg on.
As someone who has worked with 3 phase systems most of his life, I would find
this to be pretty darned dangerous.
Dan
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On Sep 12, 2011, at 7:54 AM, John Reames
Not a big deal of you don't get it right. It just buzzes and you
shut it off, then rewire the leads to the switches. There are only 2
wrong ways it can be hooked up, and one right way. But, as I said,
if the thing is wired correctly, you hook the middle lead to the
momentary switch, and the
Dieselhead wrote:
Not a big deal of you don't get it right. It just buzzes and you shut
it off, then rewire the leads to the switches. There are only 2 wrong
ways it can be hooked up, and one right way. But, as I said, if the
thing is wired correctly, you hook the middle lead to the
By middle lead, you mean the neutral line that's 120v away from both
the other two?
A 3-phase motor doesn't have a neutral line. They're _all_ hot!
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No, that is single phase.
The middle leg in three phase is supposed to be the wild leg.
By middle lead, you mean the neutral line that's 120v away from both
the other two?
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The only wild or high leg in a three phase system exists in a 240 volt
delta arrangement. This is determined by the location if the neutral relative
to two of the legs.
All other three phase systems are balanced.
Dan
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On Sep 12, 2011, at 11:14 AM, Dieselhead
On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 12:21:48 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
The only wild or high leg in a three phase system exists in a 240
volt delta arrangement. This is determined by the location if the
neutral relative to two of the legs.
All other three phase systems are balanced.
Yup.
Speaking of 3 phase, has anyone considered (ab)using a VFD as a solid state
phase converter?
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On Sep 9, 2011, at 17:56, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
I have both, and I have had problems with neither. The
Well actually, with a bit of experimenting, you can use a 3 phase
mixer on single phase pretty easily. You find the wild leg, then
put it on a momentary on pushbutton switch, hooked to one leg of the
240V. single phase (120V). Then you hook the other two legs through
the normal (on off)
Kitchenaid now is a gussied up whirlpoo. I bought a real kitchenaid
new 30 years ago, and it was worked well for the time we were in the
house.
Don't think KitchenAid sell dishwasher in Oz.
Hendrik
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It has been my recent experience that KitchenAid is making an attempt to appeal
to the high end crowd with their appliances.
When we were out shopping, their stuff seemed to be really pricey without
offering anything significantly different than lower priced but good quality
competitors.
I do
On Friday, September 09, 2011 10:09 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
It has been my recent experience that KitchenAid is making an attempt to
appeal to the high end crowd with their appliances.
When we were out shopping, their stuff seemed to be really pricey without
offering
My current KA mixer is the smaller of the two household models with the screw
type of bowl, never had a problem with it.
I believe it is approaching 15 years in age, and up until our move, was in use
almost daily. Only issues I have had with it are the pivot pin likes to work
it's way out of
We have a KSM5 that I bought for my wife at least 25 years ago. It has made
at least one three loaf batch of bread dough every week since then, with the
exception of vacations away from home. I had to buy a replacement beater
once at the plastic coating was breaking off. We did buy a second bowl
You can find new bowls and attachments pretty cheap on eBay.
We had a dough hook that the coating got scratched on, and I was able to find a
replacement (new OE) from an eBay seller for about half what KA wanted for it.
Dan
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On Sep 9, 2011, at 11:08 AM, OK Don
OK Don wrote:
It has made at least one three loaf batch of bread dough
every week since then,
From heavy users, I hear that for handling bread the Bosch mixer
is the best.
I have an old KitchenAid I bought at an auction about a decade
ago. It has done very well. I deliberately bought an
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
It has been my recent experience that KitchenAid is making an attempt to
appeal to the high end crowd with their appliances.
When we
Kitchen Aid was owned by Hobart until ~1982. Since then it is owned
by whirlypoo. Hobart made the mixers and very good DWs.
The current Kitchen aids are whirlypoos with maybe some extra
switches or fancy chrome. A KA refer is just a high priced (high
profit) Whirlypoo.
It has been my
I have both, and I have had problems with neither. The K45 I have
with the twister is a hobart made mixer. The K5 is a early whirlypoo
model.
Neither are really big enough for serious breadmaking.
I have a 20 qt hobart that does pretty well for small batches of
bread. (Of course that is
Dieselhead wrote:
I'd really like a 140 qt hobart if I had space and 3 phase
power (and a use for that much dough). It will easily mix as
little as 5 lb of bread dough. It will also make over 100 lb
of dough.
I would need to buy more bread pans if I had one of those!
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On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:42 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:
Ja, Me too!
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We bought a Samsung refrigerator from Sears a year ago, similar experience
regarding sales clerk.
Max
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Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:
We made the rounds on Saturday, just to check everyone out. HH Gregg has a
poorly
GE do make a good refrigerator though.
Greg
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GE do make a good refrigerator though.
Greg
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Ah -- that is another point in buying appliances, whether cheap or not
-- go to a place where they get commissions, you can get a better deal
from someone who is hungry.
--R
On 9/5/11 10:37 PM, LWB250 wrote:
The salesperson busted her *ss for nearly 90 minutes putting it together for
us.
We made the rounds on Saturday, just to check everyone out. HH Gregg has a
poorly informed salesperson who didn't know the products.
The big box stores (Lowes, Home Despot, Best Buy) were woefully inadequate,
which was no surprise.
We met a saleswoman at Sears who has been doing this for 27
Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net writes:
GE do make a good refrigerator though.
Mine isn't.
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: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch
other brand.
Dan
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Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
My mom has LG dish washer and W/D. They both 5yrs old and run like a top. The
W/D unit is self
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
My mom has LG dish washer and W/D. They both 5yrs old and run like a top. The
W/D unit is self contained, you pour the whole bottle of soap in, put clothes
in and they come out dry
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes:
The various vendors run these package deals wherein if you buy a
stove, refrig, dishwasher, etc. all together you get like a mikanave
for free, or some big discount or something. I saw an ad in the paper
the other day, I think it was
Hendrik Fay wrote:
But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing their
reputation for quality by cheaping out?
That's the problem with corporate governance today, too many in upper management
can't see past their next bonus check. Sort of like politicians who want to kick
Don't know if they do business in Australia but a great site for appliance
repair info and parts is http://www.repairclinic.com
Allan
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:23 +0930, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
Yeah the Bosch units have a reputation for being quiet.
The S/H one I am looking
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 12:39 +0930, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing their
reputation for quality by cheaping out?
Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer
term savings and greater
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 08:51:30 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
wrote:
Don't know if they do business in Australia but a great site for
appliance repair info and parts is http://www.repairclinic.com
I second that!
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Most people will take the immediate savings of a lower price vs. the longer
term savings and greater enjoyment of buying a quality item. Related:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
In this
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 11:16 -0700, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net
wrote:
My cousin has a commercial grade $2K machine, one of a batch he bought
at auction. He is very proud of this machine, which is nearly silent
and completes its cycle in just a few minutes. He has to pre-rinse
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On Behalf Of Hendrik Fay
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 6:57 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash
So we can say that 2/3rds of the population will buy cheap and then
whinge when it does not do the job properly.
I suppose dishwashers are a classic example of you get what you pay for.
I can understand someone who went for a supposed quality machine like a
Miele and then finds it does not do
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me
Ours has not absorbed any nasty smells in the last year or so that we've had
it. Just don't store dirty dishes in it for any extended length of time?
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The plastic tub liners absorb nasty smells, unlike SS.
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OK Don okd...@gmail.com writes:
Ours has not absorbed any nasty smells in the last year or so that
we've had it. Just don't store dirty dishes in it for any extended
length of time?
Yeah most automatic diswashing detergent has a pretty big shot of bleach
in it, I would not think that smells
Subject: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
are the best ones unless you
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:
We had a spike in our electricity bill in the last 1/4, which I am
contributing as being the dishwashers fault, cycle seems to take
longer than it used to.
Use the no-heat dry setting, takes longer (or hand dry while they are
still warm, very quick)
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Good, better, Bosch dishwashers
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:
We had a spike in our electricity bill in the last 1/4, which I am
contributing as being
I was of two different minds on dishwashers. One mind is that you can
find really cheap ones, like floor displays or something, last year's
model, whatever, for really cheap. Then you use them, they do an OK
job, then crap out after awhile then you do the same again. I can swap
one out in
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might have
to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems Bosch
are the best ones unless you want to spend a squillion.
Any experience with
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might
have to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me
half a day.
I am going to look at a S/H Bosch machine on Saturday, as it seems
Bosch are the best ones unless
I have bought and installed 2 Bosch dishwashers to replace POS
whatevers. They are very quiet (wifey just started ours a few minutes
ago, can't hear it running) and do a great job washing the dishes in
them. All the models seem to have the same guts but differ in the
controls (location,
Daughter and SIL have Bosch they love them. Daughter's is 5 years old
and had no problems.
SIL is about 15 yo and only repair was door gasket thanks to one of her
nieces.
Both units are very quite more than a few feet away and you can't tell
they are running.
Russ W.
On 8/31/2011 8:57 PM,
On Aug 31, 2011 10:09 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:
Any experience with Bosch dishwashers? Some people say that the
quality of the Bosch washers is going downhill as they try to cut
costs by manufacturing low end machines in
Don't think KitchenAid sell dishwasher in Oz.
Hendrik
who is the Kitchen aid
Allan Streib wrote:
Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.au writes:
Our Whirlpoo dishwasher is making some expensive noises and I might
have to get another one, or wash the dishes by hand, which takes me
half a day.
Yeah the Bosch units have a reputation for being quiet.
The S/H one I am looking at is made in the Fatherland.
The problem I see is that a Whirlpool machine is not worth repairing,
specially seeing that a main wash pump costs between AU$250-300 and that
may not be the problem with it, getting
But this begs the question, why would a manufacturer risk losing their
reputation for quality by cheaping out?
Guess we have all heard about companies starting/buying another company
to act as a agent for low end products, so as not to damage the main
companies image.
A good reputation takes
Bosch dishwashers truly rock. You can load them any which way and they
still get the dishes sparkling clean A quaint touch is the manual-clean
food strainer at the bottom, which is a snap to remove and clean.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Hendrik Fay heni...@ozemail.com.auwrote:
But
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