Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-17 Thread Clay via Mercedes
China just landed a set of their astronaut (CommieNuts?) this week. They were up there for around 100 days. Probably doing more nefarious things than the nice folks on Inspiration4. NorKs tested their rail based ICBM and Cruise missiles this week. Clay > On Sep 17, 2021, at 7:31 AM,

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I don't want to prolong this thread but one more point deserves saying. Guidance for an EMP weapon is not hard; a WWII V2 rocket could do the job. Even primitive guidance technology that can't hit the broadside of the proverbial barn door is good enough. Any nuclear country that can reach near

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-17 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/documents/pubs/320-090_elecpuls_fs.pdf Somewhat refreshing. A fairly concise and readable document on a gov site! The high-altitude nuke EMP generator is probably so effective because the gamma-induced source causes a blanket effect in the atmosphere, which

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-16 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
https://www.doh.wa.gov/portals/1/documents/pubs/320-090_elecpuls_fs.pdf What happens during an EMP, and how big of a device is needed to cover an area the size of USA. [search question] On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 3:18 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Solar cells,

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-16 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Solar cells, charge controllers, and EV motor controllers are all built on semiconductors and all are vulnerable to permanent EMP damage. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of G Mann via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 3:16 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: G Mann

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Ain’t your neck of the woods already getting ready to implement the death > panels? Don't get sick. IMHO there should now be two COVID wards in hospitals. Which one you go in should be predicated on the answer to the questions: "Were you vaccinated? And why not, exactly?" Ward 1 is

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes
I can scavenge fuel from an abandoned vehicle with ICI. There is no way to suckle electrons from a dead EV. EV goes all of 250 miles at best then needs a half day to dribble power back in, while I can siphon gas out of all manner of lawn mower, snow blower, or even toss a garden hose into a

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes
CME would do a pretty good job of making an errant Nork nuke look like a mosquito bite. There have been a few doozies this summer that just missed us, having burped out in places that will make for really nice Northern Lights come winter. Will have dissipated by then, but if it happens come

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Love Niven. Ain’t your neck of the woods already getting ready to implement the death panels? Think I heard from the Seattle Times columnist that hospitals there are lacking staff enough to provide basic health services anymore. Pretty sure it was Spokane as well as SEA and down PDX as well.

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
My _personal_ survival vehicle would be my trusty '97 Dodge 4wd diesel pickup. 100% mechanical if you lash up the P7100's fuel cutoff solenoid, and you can push/tow-start it if need be. (Steep hill recommended!) But I am not a prepper, in any real sense, so I don't have all that other stuff.

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
I presume your survival vehicle is a pre-computer controlled diesel , and part of your survival tool kit is a reliable fuel transfer [multiple options] mechanical device? Aux tanks to extend range? See Mad Max movie... ;)) On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:04 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> I think you're putting a lot of faith into your ability to refuel, especially > after, say, a month... Again, not MY ability to refuel. Just that enough people would be able to refuel, probably by violence and theft, to help spread the fall of civilization. With EV the rot is a day's

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think you're putting a lot of faith into your ability to refuel, especially after, say, a month... I'm also not sure, if the issue were country-wide, that there is anywhere to go short of getting out of the city. -Curt On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 03:43:31 PM EDT, Jim Cathey

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
With an EV, your radius from home is essentially fixed. With a fueled vehicle, it isn't. That's the distinction I'm calling out. Think of the citizens as a disease vector. Starving, violent resource-less people overrunning those who might have a chance of survival/recovery, if they weren't

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I guess I don't understand, we're assuming a case where both vehicles start with no fuel/electricity? Why would we do that? An electric car sitting, turned off, will no doubt lose charge but what time period are we talking about? You seem to have some assumptions there that you haven't

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> How is that different than ICE vehicles? Fuel stores. > If I've got an electric vehicle and an off grid solar power system I can > generate power to charge my car. It might take weeks but I could do it. What are you eating while you wait for the charge? > If I'm out of gas/diesel and there

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
You might want to rethink that plan to use solar panel system to recharge your EV car after EMP event.

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
How is that different than ICE vehicles? If I've got an electric vehicle and an off grid solar power system I can generate power to charge my car. It might take weeks but I could do it. If I'm out of gas/diesel and there has been a disruption to supply I'm screwed. -Curt On Wednesday,

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
The best thing that could happen to ensure the survival of our civilization, in some form after a major disruption, would be a widespread reliance on electric vehicles. When the shit hit the fan the cities and their residents would mostly all die right away, because they couldn't get out very

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> The Amish would be screwed. Too many know they're there, they'd be overrun > by two-legged rats in no time. And they're non-violent. I'd guess they forgot to read the part about "beating plowshares into swords." That said, they do own and use guns, for hunting. If they were being overrun,

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
EMPs are not magic. They're radio, and are subject to inverse-square laws. The devices in question are capable of surviving some level of unwanted signal, the EMP failure scenarios are just where the pulse is too strong and swamps the inputs, destructively. Things with long wires (antennae) are

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
When I was at military survival school, the question was, "What is the difference between a gourmet and a violent scavenger?" Answer: "About 7 days without food." On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 11:36 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Our civilization, having opted for

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
An effective EMP event does not require a huge nuke. A small nuke, detonated at altitude to maximize coverage.. or several small nukes perhaps, could fry every circuit board and computer system. Your "smart phone" would be a brick, TV stations, banks, gas pumps, food stores, cash registers the

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Our civilization, having opted for efficiency over resilience, is fragile. Any sufficient disruption would have a domino effect, ending up in the 'Mad Max' scenario. People would starve/sicken/die BEFORE infrastructure repairs could be accomplished. The desperate would plunder those working to

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
So you're thinking of a really massive EMP right? Something let off in the upper atmosphere? It's hard to an imagine an EMP of that size. Besides which theres the rest of the world, or are you imagining a world-wide EMP? -Curt On Wednesday, September 15, 2021, 02:23:03 PM EDT, Scott

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Which is why I'll never sell my 300SD. But expect many roads to become impassible with manned checkpoints (where robbers will kill you and steal your car) and millions of dead modern cars, frozen in place since the event. -Original Message- From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Kaleb Striplin

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
In a wide-spread EMP event essentially all modern electronic systems, including the power grid, stop working, permanent damage. Without deliveries of food (or anything else), inability to pump water, lack of refrigeration, and no modern medicine, things get bad fast. The breakdown of law

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Those driving a 240D might survive also. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2021, at 12:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes > wrote: > >  >> >> How would an EMP event cause 90% fatalities? > > Instant return to Amish living. No groceries, no gasoline, no natural gas, no > propane, no

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>How would an EMP event cause 90% fatalities? Instant return to Amish living. No groceries, no gasoline, no natural gas, no propane, no electricity. With supply chain disruptions what they are currently, it's difficult enough to get repair parts, etc. With no supply chain at all, what happens.

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I think they mean over the medium term, lack of access to clean water, life supporting drugs etc.Certainly my own survival long term without certain medications is a bit suspect. Based on past experience I'd have about 10 years. Sometimes when considering post apocalyptic type scenarios I

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
How would an EMP event cause 90% fatalities? I’m not disputing, just trying to understand. Certainly stuff would break and cause some fatalities, but I find it difficult to imagine a number so high. -D > On Sep 15, 2021, at 1:36 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Not unlike the

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-15 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Not unlike the era when ships were made of wood and the men were made of steel. They say that a wide-scale EMP event would result in 90% fatalities. I suspect higher, especially urban areas. Given systemic failures to harden the grid maybe we would be better served learning how to survive

Re: [MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-12 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Now THERE'S a scarce skill. On Sun, Sep 12, 2021 at 11:52 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > https://www.ifixit.com/News/52539/what-its-like-to-fix-linotype-intertype-and-other-old-presses > > -- > > --FT > > ___ >

[MBZ] OT for our printer expert -- What it's like to fix linotype, intertype, and other old presses

2021-09-12 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
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