Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-26 Thread Mike Esh
Thanks Mitch. That is how I understood it. How far out of time can the injection pump be on one of these diesels and still start and idle well? It also ran down the road although poorly and without power. The mechanic had the vehicle running with each pump and diligently followed my

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-26 Thread Richard Hattaway
My point was that you can do all of the fancy expensive stuff in your driveway with minimal tools.  Pump timing is a piece of tubing and a flashlight. Pump pressure is a spare injector and rerouting one of the pieces of injection tubing in your car so you can watch the spray pattern in a jar. 

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-26 Thread G Mann
Ship the pump to www,Conestoga diesel.com and ask Mel to run it on his test bench. You will know in a short while and for a minimum cost what the pump is doing. A properly calibrated test bench is the proper way to test the pump. Then you have the whole story. Grant... On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-26 Thread Scott Ritchey
I suspect Mike is just happy to be on the road again and doesn't want to spend more money just to satisfy our curiosity. The fact is that MBZ IP failures (when run on DF2) are so rare that we really know little about that situation (hence we are curious). Also, some of us probably got a spare

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Scott Ritchey
No. I mean slowly, manually turning the crank shaft (while watching valves to verify #1 approaching TDC of compression) to establish crank angle where fuel starts to well up on top of #1 delivery valve or fuel begins to drip from drip tube (or one of the other methods, like bubble). Scott

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Mike Esh
No, I did not see him do this. He told he did this. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 24, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: No. I mean slowly, manually turning the crank shaft (while watching valves to verify #1 approaching TDC of compression) to establish crank

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Richard Hattaway
I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive.  It's actually a very educational test to do, and at least some of us have 'homebrew' drip tubes laying around to do it with.  Not hard at all to make.  Professionals have the Snap On timing

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Mitch Haley
Richard Hattaway wrote: I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive. I think Mike said a Bosch shop told him a bench test was too expensive just to prove a suspect pump needed a rebuild. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Michael Esh
Imagine this: Advanced Diesel Systems Inc Be the first to review (231) 893-3306 9790 US Highway 31, Montague, MI 49437 Please give them a call. They have the Bosch sign on their building. On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Mitch Haley
On Aug 24, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive. It's actually a very educational test to do, and at least some of us have 'homebrew' drip tubes laying around to do it with. Not hard at

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-24 Thread Dieselhead
Richard Hattaway wrote: I cannot imagine a shop saying that an injection pump timing check would be prohibitively expensive. I think Mike said a Bosch shop told him a bench test was too expensive just to prove a suspect pump needed a rebuild. Mitch. Before a bench test, a simple test of

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Esh
Time to celebrate!  My 84 300D is back on the road.  For those who did not follow the story, I had hard starting issues for the last 3 summers, yes, only in the summers.  Help from this list determined that my injection pump was wearing out.  The pump finally gave up completely and I picked up

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread WILTON
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Mike Esh michael...@mac.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Amy Renouf amyren...@me.com; brandonren...@mac.com Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Dieselhead
Congrats! strange that you got 3 bad pumps in a row. They don't wear out under normal use. perhaps you got others taken from WVO cars that ended up in the junkyards. Glad to know you got a good deal on the rebuilt pump. Time to celebrate! My 84 300D is back on the road. For those who

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Esh
The original had over 300,000 miles on it. I am not sure of the mileage on the one from Mitch. The other had at least 250,000 on it. Both of them sat around for at least 2 years. I heard that will destroy them. It is best to find one still attached to the engine. With all lines still attached

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread OK Don
I should offer my appologies to your mechanic - I was sure that he was installing the pumos 180 degrees ouf of time, glad to hear that he knows hwat he's doing and that you got it running again! - OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Or coincidentally he gets it right when you buy his pump, hmmm Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2013, at 10:03 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I should offer my appologies to your mechanic - I was sure that he was installing the pumos 180 degrees ouf of time, glad to hear that he knows hwat

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Esh
Apology accepted, although I still have a bit of doubt in my mind as to his knowledge of my Mercedes. I do appreciate his patience with me and my used pumps. Most mechanics would have given up and sent me on my way after the 2nd pump did not work. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 23, 2013,

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Scott Ritchey
Mike: Delighted with the final result. Two bad used IPs most unusual by all accounts. Question: was there ever a real injection timing check on either of the bad used replacement IPs? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mike

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Esh
If you mean taking it Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Mike: Delighted with the final result. Two bad used IPs most unusual by all accounts. Question: was there ever a real injection timing check on either of the bad

Re: [MBZ] On the road again! 1984 300D - Was Black smoke and loping at idle.

2013-08-23 Thread Mike Esh
If you mean taking them to an authorized Bosch shop, then no. I tried this at our local Bosch shop and he said the cost would prohibitive and that I should just have it rebuilt or buy a rebuilt. Michael E. Esh 231-286-2344 On Aug 24, 2013, at 1:26 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: