Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D and possibly with turbo

2011-06-06 Thread Fmiser
> Hendrik & Fay wrote: > Not sure how'd you work a 4,6,9 shift? The working RPM range > of a American style big Diesel is ~1400-2100, every gear in a > crash box is about 500rpm, so skipping from 6 to 9 would mean > you either rev the guts out of the engine or lug it up from > about 800rpm, neithe

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D and possibly with turbo

2011-06-04 Thread Hendrik & Fay
Not sure how'd you work a 4,6,9 shift? The working RPM range of a American style big Diesel is ~1400-2100, every gear in a crash box is about 500rpm, so skipping from 6 to 9 would mean you either rev the guts out of the engine or lug it up from about 800rpm, neither of which is good practice. I

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-31 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: >  A mild overdrive would be useful on top > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. You just need to find a broken MGB (shouldn't be too hard). ;) This would fit right in with that cool old Becker in your 300D's dash: http://classiccarama.

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-31 Thread Max Dillon
That could be explained by gearing. The correct rear end is critical. -Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Mitch Haley wrote: Max Dillon wrote: > I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, > really a very nice car to drive

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Fmiser
> Craig wrote: > Well, sure, if they are loaded. How about 'bob-tail', without > a trailer? Oh - and it's hard to make any money driving around bob-tail! *grin* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search li

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Fmiser
> Craig wrote: > On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:15:26 -0500 Fmiser > wrote: > > > And that was with between 7 and 15 speeds in the > > transmission, and 25,000 lb (11000 kg) to 80,000 lb (36000 > > kg) vehicle weight. > > > > But I've never driven a truck that would count as "fast" when > > compared to

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Craig
On Mon, 30 May 2011 22:15:26 -0500 Fmiser wrote: > And that was with between 7 and 15 speeds in the transmission, > and 25,000 lb (11000 kg) to 80,000 lb (36000 kg) vehicle weight. > > But I've never driven a truck that would count as "fast" when > compared to car. Even my tired 240 is easily f

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread OK Don
; >>> > >>> -Max > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: > >> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > >>> On Behalf Of Craig > >>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > >>

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Fmiser
> Craig wrote: > If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo > spool down during shifts? The turbo will spool down as soon as the fuel feed is reduced. But as soon as the driver steps on the "go" pedal it will spool up again. Is the lag a problem? The inertia is a lot less on t

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
th. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual >>> transmission. >>> >>> -Max >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: >> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] >>> On Behalf

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Rich Thomas
-- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread WILTON
So, it just stays loose all the time? ;<))) Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jaime Kopchinski" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D You're right Max, its a myth... the

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread OK Don
enz.com [mailto: > mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > > On Behalf Of Craig > > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > > > On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski >

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
..@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Craig > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski > wrote: > > > My 300D: >

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Max Dillon wrote: I drove a 300TD outfitted with a manual transmission. No problems at all, really a very nice car to drive. I think this idea of turbo spool down is an urban myth. I'd love to have a turbo OM606 mated to a manual transmission. I met a guy who put a 220D transmission in a W11

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Max Dillon
z.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 7:23 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shif

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Craig
On Mon, 30 May 2011 08:22:12 -0400 Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > My 300D: > http://images.jaimekop.com/2008_07_03_Shifter.jpg Is your 300D a turbo? If so, do you have problems up-shifting and having the turbo spool down during shifts? Craig ___ http://www.okie

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Fmiser
> > Alex Chamberlain wrote: > > > > If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a > > good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there > > are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came > > mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, > > and are

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Ha, yeah, its true... I've been cutting my neighbor's grass since she doesn't seem to have any interest in doing it herself. As far as I know, she was in foreclosure, but its been years now and she still there. I guess shes one of the "lucky" ones who's paperwork is held up by the bank's poor rec

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: We're selling our house, and having a bunch of broken down cars in the driveway on jack stands isn't exactly appealing to prospective buyers! Better your driveway than the next door neighbors'. At least the buyer knows they don't have to live near you. Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Yeah, I guess thats the ticket... recently I've seen two 190E parts cars come by on CL with a 5 speed for cheap which I've been tempted to buy. But I've got no place to part a car at the moment. We're selling our house, and having a bunch of broken down cars in the driveway on jack stands isn't e

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: I agree with you, Max! I'd be interested in a package to mate a manual trans to a OM60x engine! But I'd still perfer a 5 speed... and one that allows the use of an original Mercedes shifter. I like things to look original! 300E or 190E tranny? Mitch. __

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
n Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain > Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:53 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D > > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski > wrote: > > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly usel

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Max Dillon
lf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 2:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the > first gear is a bit

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Oops, a 240D diff is 3.69:1, not 3.49. I have one of those sitting in the trunk of the 300SD BTW. The 240D trans ratios were: I: 3.90; II: 2.30; III: 1.41; IV: 1.0, so the T5 I quoted below would be a little lower, plus a decent overdrive in case you want to cruise 75mph instead of 55mph on th

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: If the Tremec 6-speed that Mitch gave the stats for isn't a good fit in terms of ratios for the OM617 turbo, I bet there are other manual transmissions from RWD vehicles that came mated to engines with similar power and torque to the 617, and are plentiful in junkyards. S

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: > Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the > first gear is a bit tall overall.  A mild overdrive would be useful on top > of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear.  Otherwise, I don't see the point > really. >

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Its a nice idea, but a 0.62-0.50 overdrive will be nearly useless, and the first gear is a bit tall overall. A mild overdrive would be useful on top of the normal 4 speed's 1:1 top gear. Otherwise, I don't see the point really. Jaime '82 300Dt w/ 240D speed. On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:28 PM, M

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Oops, forgot to name my source: http://www.5speedtransmissions.com/6_speed.html Mitch Haley wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change de

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Mitch Haley wrote: IIRC, the T56 was rated for something like 50-60 ft-lb/cylinder. I know it can take 400 ft-lb behind a V8. I think it weighs about 120-130lb. Doesn't the Camaro version have a 0.5x:1 sixth gear? The F-body GM versions were 450ft-lb rated, and the Vipers were 550 ft-lb, but

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Mitch Haley
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) IIRC, the T56 was rated for some

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Someone on peachparts was offering to make a conversion package for the Tremec 6-speed used in LT1 Camaros, IIRC, which would be strong enough to handle not just the OM617 but most of the older gas engines as well. (Stick 560SL, anyone?) Alex On 5/29/11, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > I am sure m

Re: [MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I am sure many here would be interested Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Marshall Field wrote: > It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to > pose a question > to the group > > How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed > ma

[MBZ] Six speed manual trans for 300D

2011-05-29 Thread Marshall Field
It has been a long time since I was last here, but now would like to pose a question to the group How many would be interested in purchasing a conversion to a six speed manual for a 300D? Package could or would consist of adapters, piece parts, instructions, cutting template or a complete turn ke