Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes ... Understand that homeowners insurance in Florida can be very, very significant. At one time my homeowner's insurance was over $3,000/year for a house valued at $185,000

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Mercedes Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dan Penoff Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes That's more our wonderful Federal flood program. Laws and regulations have changed significantly to shift more

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
It was about two years ago that the Feds announced they would be “adjusting” the flood insurance program premiums to better reflect a particular property’s risk. Needless to say that freaked a lot of people out. It happened, but they tempered it a little so owners didn’t get slammed in one

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes ... Understand that homeowners insurance in Florida can be very, very significant. At one time my homeowner's insurance was over $3,000/year for a house valued at $185,000. Dan

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
The insurers in Florida freaked out after the major storms in the late 80s/early 90s. They didn't want to accept the losses yet they still wanted to sell insurance in the state. As a result of this, many carriers stopped writing new policies. The state forced them into a pool, much like most

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
this and using it effectively. Like most disruptive technologies the big companies are resisting change... -Curt From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread G Mann
Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation that is solar friendly. For example, in AZ, a HOA may NOT refuse to allow solar panels on your roof. There are other nuances of law included in the legislation which restrain virtually any act that would come between the

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Curly McLain
Ins can be very significant. Especially if you have to buy wind, fire and flood as separate policies. The wind insurance alone on my daughter's house is $3000+ a year. I figure not paying ins for one year will pay for a roof, and not paying the wind ins for 2 years pays for the roof and

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
True, but that's what net-zero is. Also, due to things like building codes and insurance requirements, putting a solar array on your roof can increase costs elsewhere. In my case I would probably have to replace my roof, as it's coming up on the point where it needs to be replaced, and as a

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Curt Raymond
: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation that is solar friendly. For example, in AZ, a HOA may NOT refuse to allow solar panels on your roof

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread Dan Penoff
We have similar HOA laws - you cant restrict the installation of solar panels or other equipment. Dan On Apr 21, 2015, at 11:25 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the success with solar installation in Arizona is due to legislation that is solar friendly. For example, in AZ, a

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-21 Thread OK Don
When the corporations own the government, the shareholders come first, the citizens last. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:20 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: snip Like most disruptive technologies the big companies are resisting change... -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Mountain Man
I like this guy: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015/04/15/breaking-news-over-unity-reactionless-generator-invented-in-india/ And then there is Joe Newman in LA or MS who sez he has the same setup. Letting people be off grid is a function of money chasing legislation. Nothing changes,

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it’s near impossible to do residential solar. Dan On Apr 19, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Curly McLain 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Solar is nothing new in Hawaii. 30 years ago

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Curly McLain
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:40:16 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it's near impossible to do residential solar. What could they do if you generated all your

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Dan Penoff
Nothing, and some have done that. The big issue is that in this climate our largest energy consumer is air conditioning, which is pretty much electricity and nothing else. I’m not quite sure how they are doing solar and covering AC, but it’s being done. Here is an example of a net-zero

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: Nothing, and some have done that. The big issue is that in this climate our largest energy consumer is air conditioning, which is pretty much electricity and nothing else. I’m not quite sure how they are doing solar and covering AC, but it’s being done. PV actually

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Craig
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 13:28:15 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: In my area, the electric utility, TECO, only allows a limited number of net-zero installs a year. If you don’t get into that group, which is done at the beginning of the year on a lottery basis, too bad. Yes, but that is

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread G Mann
So much for all the government money spent on promoting renewable energy. One side is screaming,, renewable energy or else, Congress passed a law which requires all utility companies to generate 25% of their power via renewable sources [I think it was Congress, if not some agency did it.] The

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Meade Dillon
I wonder if a dual-circuit set-up would work. Have part of your home load on the PV cells, and ability to load-shed back to utility power when needed. You may not be able to run HVAC and other big resistive loads, but you should be able to run lights / TV / computers / refrigerator / clothes

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Craig
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 05:40:16 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Similar situation in Florida. The utilities have a stranglehold on the legislature, and as a result the laws are such that it’s near impossible to do residential solar. What could they do if you generated all your

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread Rich Thomas
SC recently passed a law over the objections of the power utilities to allow home-based solar electric. Apparently third parties will install and lease back the panels and the savings are supposedly fairly reasonable. I live in the woods so don't get much direct sunlight on the roofs or I

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-20 Thread G Mann
In Arizona, which is solar friendly, I have two friends who had grid tie systems installed, under a lease purchase arrangement. Each has 8,500 watts of solar panels on their roof, installed for ZERO down and a 25 yr pay out of about $90 per month. The install can be purchased at any time for the

[MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-19 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com
HONOLULU — Allan Akamine has looked all around the winding, palm tree-lined cul-de-sacs of his suburban neighborhood in Mililani here on Oahu and, with an equal mix of frustration and bemusement, seen roof after roof bearing solar panels. Mr. Akamine, 61, a manager for a cable company,

Re: [MBZ] Solar Power Battle Puts Hawaii at Forefront of Worldwide Changes

2015-04-19 Thread Curly McLain
Solar is nothing new in Hawaii. 30 years ago most houses had solar hor water systems, thanks largely I'd surmise to the Jimmay cahtah tax credits. Hawaii retired the first major wind turbine farm nealty 20 years ago. It is not surprising the Hawaii residents want solar electric, nor that