Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-28 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Over 4 in west LA. It is probably a buck cheaper in the port though. On Wed, Jun 27, 2018, 1:02 PM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > $3.00 and up here. > > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > It’s

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
$3.00 and up here. On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 8:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It’s currently $2.79 here. Way too high. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:25 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I just saw

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-26 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It’s currently $2.79 here. Way too high. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:25 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes > wrote: > > I just saw fuel prices in SEA. Regular and #2 are each $3.55 > > clay > > 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green > 1986 SDL - Polei > 1982 300 SD - Allen > >

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-26 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Makes me not feel so bad. I got diesel yesterday for $3.14/gal. Gas is $2.85 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 12:25 AM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote: I just saw fuel prices in SEA.  Regular and #2 are each $3.55 clay 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green 1986

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
I just saw fuel prices in SEA. Regular and #2 are each $3.55 clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1986 SDL - Polei 1982 300 SD - Allen retired models- 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The turbo charger packs more oxygen into the fuel/air charge which burns more of the fuel injected into the engine, thus more energy is "released" for the same amount of fuel [instead of some of the same volume of fuel being un-burned and sent out the exhaust pipe.] Same fuel + more oxygen = more

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
A turbo charger makes a diesel about 30% more efficient. Somebody using that power to drive faster and use more fuel does not negate the increased efficiency of the engine... -Curt On Monday, June 25, 2018, 3:08:46 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel wrote: Agreed. But people do use the extra

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Agreed. But people do use the extra power. I don't think the turbo cars actually produce better economy for that reason, typically. This has been one of the main criticisms of modern diesels actually; the vehicles are often overpowered and large, which negates any inherent efficiency advantages in

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Burning more fuel because of more power only happens if you're actually using the additional power. The turbo actually adds something like 30% more efficiency to a diesel engine. For example, a 617 turbo will get better fuel economy than a 617 NA while being MUCH more pleasant to drive...

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-25 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The turbo allows more fuel to be burned per injector per rpm/2. So a turbo motor is going to burn more fuel because it is capable of making more power. The 210 is probably bigger, heavier, and less aerodynamic than the w124. Anyone have numbers? The w124 is definitely more attractive. On Sat,

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-23 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
What Jim said - "The other choice is that they changed how the test is conducted, which is a factor _not_ to be discounted! In which case the difference is not real." On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It appears as if I may be

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-23 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
They made a huge change in 2008, but I imagine the test protocol got revised several times over the years. I know my 2016 Cruze is 42hwy and the identical 2017 is 40hwy, but I don't know if it the change was in tuning or testing. Mitch. > On June 23, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-23 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > I was surprised to discover per fueleconomy.gov the 96 supposedly gets > the best mileage of all of them. Anybody got any theory as to why? Maybe > something to do with emissions? Or maybe the 722.4 is more efficient than > the 722.6 for some reason? > The .6 has a lockup torque converter,

Re: [MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-23 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Diesel fuel prices are dropping here now. They peaked at around $3.05 I think, yesterday I say $2.79. Fuel consumption in The White Whale has been creeping back up. I had a few tanks that hit 24 mpg, now back down to 22 mpg. I've had the roof cross bars mounted for a bit, and haven't checked

[MBZ] Surprising 606 diesel mileage figures

2018-06-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
It appears as if I may be acquiring a 96 E300 so I thought I would compare it to all the other 606 power vehicles in my fleet on fueleconomy.gov.  So basically 95, 96, 97, 98.  As we know, 95 is the last year 124 and has the 4 speed 722.4.  96 was 1st year 210 with basically the same