Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-19 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Penoff wrote: My 2004 Focus wagon averages 24 MPG, even with the ICE COLD AC running in a mixed highway/city cycle. If i get out on the interstate and run flat out, I have seen mileage approaching 28-29 mpg. Sounds a lot like 4000lb of my awd 1999 e wagon. My lifetime (since March 8,

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Curt Raymond
Can you get one piston out from underneath? At the very least if you do it from above you'd only need to pull one head. -Curt Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 20:11:56 -0700 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Curt Raymond
As I think about it it wouldn't be a lot more work (comparatively) to do all the rings, I mean 3 more holes are right there awaiting replacement... -Curt Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 21:16:53 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Jim Cathey
For replacing rings, all he needs to do is break the timing chain, remove the affected head, remove the oil pan, remove the rod cap, and pull the piston and rod out the top. He can do that with the engine in the car. It's a whole lot more work to do it all. That is an interesting question, can

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Craig
On Thu, 17 May 2012 23:22:24 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: You sure about that? I have not seen a MB that you could pull the pan with the engine in the car. Thus the small steel lower pan on OM 621 and OM61x engines to allow access to the oil pump and the #1 rod. Now that

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Dieselhead
If it has cracked rings, then most likely the cylinder is scored, and replacing rings will do little to cure the problem. I don't have a 380SL to look at, but I am 98% sure that pan won't come off in the frame. I think you are looking at boring at least one hole, or a engine swapIF the

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Larry T
Might be able to get numbers 1 or 2 but nothing after that with as much or more work required vs removing the engine.0n a W108 (69 280S) in a galaxy long long ago, I disconnected the motor mounts and removed the lower oil pan then the Oil Pump. I raised the engine and removed the oil

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Rich Thomas
Get a sheet of that foam insulation (like $9 at Lowes) and put it down on the concrete. Soft, and warmer too. And an anti-freeze jug makes a nice head rest. Can't help you with the engine work, but I can help make it more comfortable! --R On 5/18/12 11:19 AM, Larry T wrote: Might be able

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Randy Bennell
Two or Three layers of cardboard make it softer and warmer and you can toss them when oil drips on them and keep the floor clean too. Randy On 18/05/2012 10:34 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Get a sheet of that foam insulation (like $9 at Lowes) and put it down on the concrete. Soft, and warmer

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 4fb670fa.3000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Two or Three layers of cardboard make it softer and warmer and you can toss them when oil drips on them and keep the floor clean too. Randy On 18

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread OK Don
I removed the hood, removed and rebuilt the engine, and replaced it all on the '78 450SLC I had. It's not that big a deal. You do need helper to remove and replace the hood. My wife helped me - not all that hard. Of course, it took me almost two years, between life and scrounging for the cheapest

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-18 Thread OK Don
I did remove and replace the pan on the OM603 in teh SDL - I had to lift the engine a few inches with the lift, and remove the steering link and shock. It can be done, but it's almost as easy to remove the whole engine. On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Jim Cathey
Does it have to be original to SL? Probably going to stick with a 2-row chain 380 from SL/SE[L] of the right vintage. Might end up being a short-block swap. Should just sell it at a loss, but I don't know that I can make myself do that. -- Jim ___

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Curt Raymond
List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 7ad93312-9fc0-11e1-bef3-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet straps! I

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Craig
On Wed, 16 May 2012 22:15:57 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Guess I'm looking for a local donor 380 engine. Meanwhile, I guess I drive it... -- Jim Car-part.com has a few. $1000 to $2000 from SLs sedan 380s appear to be available down to $650 or so. Looks like a

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Jim Cathey
Could you replace the rings on just that piston? I was thinking about that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread clay monroe
But if you open it up that far, you may as well do it all. clay On May 17, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Could you replace the rings on just that piston? I was thinking about that. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Craig
On Thu, 17 May 2012 20:11:56 -0700 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: But if you open it up that far, you may as well do it all. For replacing rings, all he needs to do is break the timing chain, remove the affected head, remove the oil pan, remove the rod cap, and pull the piston and rod

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-17 Thread Dieselhead
You sure about that? I have not seen a MB that you could pull the pan with the engine in the car. Thus the small steel lower pan on OM 621 and OM61x engines to allow access to the oil pump and the #1 rod. On a 62 econoline or falcon, you could. (170 CID) by 65, you could not on the

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
On 15/05/2012 7:14 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an anti-Prius. I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a truck trunk. It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
On 15/05/2012 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back and forth like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and likely will be for the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the tooth and needs

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
On 14/05/2012 9:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle. So what if it doesn't get 40MPG. The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest, depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more than eat up any fuel savings unless you

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well as I let long boards stick out through it. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
On 16/05/2012 11:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well as I let long boards stick out through it. Sent from my iPhone Well, yes but ...

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet straps! I had a BMW hood strapped to my roof rack that I transported from Washington DC to Boston! It can be done but obviously not ideal. Sent from my iPhone On May 16, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Curt Raymond
mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 4fb3d38e.4080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 14/05/2012 9:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle. So what if it doesn't get

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry about the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel... Around here, the premium is 10 cents more than the 89 octane, or 20 cents more than the 87 octane. When the Prices were 1.80-1.90-2.00

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On May 16, 2012 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: The manual says 'do not top the tank up', but it doesn't say 'don't pump slowly' or 'don't stop pumping before it's full'. You are making me reconsider my plan to buy a facelifted 210 E430 4Matic, considering that we don't have

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
Now come on - have you not seen the photo on the net of the car - a Jetta maybe - with a whole lift of plywood on the roof and the back half collapsed? Probably photo shopped but who knows?? Randy On 16/05/2012 12:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
OR, maybe you need an old VOLVO. Are they not the ones who advertised for years that their cars had solid roof structure? I seem to recall an ad with a Volvo with about 10 more Volvos piled on top of it. Randy On 16/05/2012 12:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Ha. I've transported sofas on my

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Frederick Moir
I'll break out my pattie press   Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Randy Bennell
On 16/05/2012 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What kind of mileage do you get with the F150? I've been kind of disappointed with my Ranger, in comparison an '03 F150 4wd is rated for 15mpg, my '03 Ranger is rated for 16mpg. In practice on the highway I can get it up to 20mpg if I really take it

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Craig
On Wed, 16 May 2012 13:45:03 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On average over the past 5.5 years and 63,000 miles, 16.43 but that is Imperial gallons so deduct about 20% for US gallons. 16.73%, if you want to be picky. Craig ___

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Curt Raymond
a new model Focus. -Curt Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:45:03 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 4fb3f5af.2080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dan Penoff
:03 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 4fb3f5af.2080...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 16/05/2012 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Jim Cathey
Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet straps! I lashed a sofa table to the roof of my SL, just threw down a blanket and lashed it 'round the top (windows down) with twine. Same car also brought home a dishwasher in the trunk, lashed in so it wouldn't

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread clay monroe
Check Seattle CL for engines. I saw a few that could work. Does it have to be original to SL? http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3019423172.html http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/pts/3005690645.html http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/2999017573.html On May 16, 2012, at 6:34 PM,

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dieselhead
Does not have to be from an SL, but starting with a 380 or 420 would be easier. Accessory stuff is different, but can be bolted on the new engine from the old. M116 right? But then Mr. Cathey already knows all this. Clay's second engine is not adequate in the 21 century for vehicular

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dieselhead
Guess I'm looking for a local donor 380 engine. Meanwhile, I guess I drive it... -- Jim Car-part.com has a few. $1000 to $2000 from SLs sedan 380s appear to be available down to $650 or so. Looks like a sedan 420 engine can be had as low as $400-500. I think I'd opt for the 4.2 engine

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread clay monroe
http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/3009745116.html On May 16, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Does not have to be from an SL, but starting with a 380 or 420 would be easier. Accessory stuff is different, but can be bolted on the new engine from the old. M116 right? But then Mr.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Power lines will all be underground by then. Structures taller than one story will all be gone since broad rooftops will be needed as landing/parking areas for the car-planes. Trees will be found only in forested uninhabited areas. No more towers either. All communication will be by

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Concrete overpasses will be gone; tunnels will be built underground in their place. The flight paths of carplanes will intersect at alternate altitudes preventing collisions. Gerry On Mon, 14 May 2012 21:21:19 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Right into the waiting overhead power lines!

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Archer
Gerry Archer wrote: snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved, and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down by parachute; all before imminent accidents. /snip Gerry OK Don wrote: Right into the waiting overhead power lines! Or into the flying

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Randy Bennell wrote: I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an anti-Prius. I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a truck trunk. It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the sense of leather seats and power this and

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Randy Bennell wrote: However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back and forth like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and likely will be for the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the tooth and needs pretty much everything repaired or replaced.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley
Allan Streib wrote: I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle. So what if it doesn't get 40MPG. The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest, depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more than eat up any fuel savings unless you drive a LOT of miles.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas
Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again. --R (The future is fun! The future is fair! You may already have won! You may already be there! Yes, and it's starting now, so hop aboard that old YELLOW rubber line...) On 5/15/12 4:13 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas
You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat belts. A coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v. live oak tree the other night, during a high-speed chase from the po-pos, no seat belts in use. The very large live oak refused to give right-of-way Almost every day

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Dan Penoff
Just like how our friend, who is a former ER nurse, used to call ricers (Asian crotch rocket motorcycles): Donor bikes Dan On May 15, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat belts. A coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Archer
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again. You read Mechanix Illustrated? Tch! True mechanical buffs never read anything but Popular Mechanics, and us science buffs only read Popular Science.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas
http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/2012/05/two-thugs-self-terminate.html http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-05-12T16:44:00-07:00max-results=7start=13by-date=false Should you care to assess their credentials for Mr. Darwin. Toland Gathers

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread G Mann
Certainly well qualified for entry into the Darwin Award competition. Impressive documentation, I wonder how many thousands of public funds were expended during these two lifetimes to effect their arrest, defense, incarceration, and the support of their numerous illegitimate children? I'm sure

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Scott Ritchey
: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 3:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Power lines will all be underground by then. Structures taller than one story will all be gone since broad rooftops will be needed as landing/parking areas for the car-planes. Trees

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again. You read Mechanix Illustrated? Tch! True mechanical buffs never read anything but Popular Mechanics, and us science buffs only read Popular Science.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh
Certainly well qualified for entry into the Darwin Award competition. No Darwin Award for Ladson, he spawned like a salmon before dying. You get a Darwin Award for improving human evolution by removing your genes from the pool. Mitch. ___

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh
After observing the human condition for 65 years, especially recently, I think feudal subsistence farming is more probable for most folks. Soylent Green, anyone? The Koreans keep messing up the Soylent Green shipments.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Gerry Archer
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again. You read Mechanix Illustrated? Tch! True mechanical buffs never read anything but Popular Mechanics, and us science buffs only read Popular Science.

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Hendrik Fay
Well it seems they go the bit about Ladies spending a long time on the phone right http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sGYULzoQCgA/Ri1oTOyeJoI/AgA/w0d1jE6x_fw/s1600-h/y2kImage4.jpg Hendrik who doesn't talk much on the phone but Fay does I was being facetious about both the predictions and my

[MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Rich Thomas
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Randy Bennell
On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html --R I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an anti-Prius. I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread WILTON
'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof! Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Randy Bennell
trouble spot. Randy On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote: 'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof! Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread WILTON
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my choice it would not. I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to run with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim. Not so bad at night

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Curt Raymond
-0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile Message-ID: 4fb12c74.3010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: http

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Randy Bennell
There is no doubt that I could easily drive a Prius or Honda Civic around town and would save fuel. In the summer, that is sort of what I do with the 300D but I don't try to drive it in winter. The boat gets hauled about every 2nd weekend. It only gets hauled a half mile or so to the launch

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
The original Honda Insight is kind of cool looking. The current insight has better styling than the Prius. Plus Honda is a more responsible company if you ask me. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: There is no doubt that I could easily

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Randy Bennell
On 14/05/2012 6:32 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: The original Honda Insight is kind of cool looking. The current insight has better styling than the Prius. Plus Honda is a more responsible company if you ask me. I like Honda and have had, generally, better luck with them than with Toyota. My

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Gerry Archer
It's interesting how accessories of limited interest such as sunroofs can lead to significant improvements in car safety. For example, someday the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved, and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down by parachute; all before

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Allan Streib
I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle. So what if it doesn't get 40MPG. The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest, depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more than eat up any fuel savings unless you drive a LOT of miles. Allan Randy Bennell

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Allan Streib
Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca writes: I like Honda and have had, generally, better luck with them than with Toyota. My wife has an Accord. My mother has had a series of Civics as has my sister. All have been good cars. Toyota and Nissan both like to rust, in my experience. Allan --

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread G Mann
I only vote for that if I can have a remote control that ejects drivers. Some fools should not be on the road in a car, driving. No amount of technology will overcome stupid. Darwin Awards exist for good reason. You can't legislate common sense, either. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Gerry

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread OK Don
Right into the waiting overhead power lines! On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved, and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down by parachute; all before imminent

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Craig
On Mon, 14 May 2012 21:21:19 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Right into the waiting overhead power lines! Or the solidly build concrete freeway overpass!! (Reminds me of F-104s that had downward ejection seats because the upward ejection seats were not yet powerful enough to keep the

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Fmiser
Gerry Archer wrote: snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved, and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down by parachute; all before imminent accidents. /snip Gerry OK Don wrote: Right into the waiting overhead power lines! Or into the

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Rick Knoble
On May 14, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The creeping commuters of California and Connecticut will become the eagles of the sky; landing quickly on the roofs of the corporations where they work. The future looks bright. I have no clue what medications the

Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Walt Zarnoch
He can send you some seeds if you want. Walt On May 15, 2012 12:20 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On May 14, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: The creeping commuters of California and Connecticut will become the eagles of the sky; landing quickly