The Sonos speakers or sound systems got bricked because the manufacturer
decided to stop supporting it. Rather than just letting things die a slow
death, they tell users to put the speakers in “recycle mode” which disabled
things when the EoL came. I’ll have to look it up and see, I just know th
Here's another example of what can happen when devices depend on "the cloud" to
operate...
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/04/shameful-insteon-looks-dead-just-like-its-users-smart-homes/
... oopps, the mother ship shut down, and now all the satellite devices are as
good as bricked.
On
My guess is, once the manufacturing has ended, much of this information gets
"misplaced."
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 12:13 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> At some point (20yr? Less) manufacturers should be required to publish
> code, schematics, wiring/connector diagrams, etc for the
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022, at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
>> You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
>
> If only. The wear-out characteristics of most flash devices is NOT something
> they advertise, and on lower-cost stuff it isn't even known. (To you.)
Yeah in the consumer
IMHO the designs should be required to be escrowed, and the escrow
is released as soon as the manufacturer can/will no longer supply replacements.
-- Jim
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To that exact point.
In the aircraft industry, service life is determined on two things [or
more]. 1. Number of hours of operation. 2. Number of cycles of operation.
[startup / shutdown].
This standard works for both mechanical and electrical components.
Car manufacturers are certainly advanced eno
At some point (20yr? Less) manufacturers should be required to publish code,
schematics, wiring/connector diagrams, etc for the aftermarket to step in and
provide replacement parts. Some of it can be reverse engineered it seems but
it’s not always compatible. I’m thinking “OEM” ECUs and that kin
Ok, back to Mercedes talk, for a moment.
It has become virtually routine that someone posts a car that is offered
for sale that has issues which have turned it into a mechanical brick,
caused by "something electrical" in the "electrical to mechanical controls
systems" [now a myriad of systems, ofte
When I wrote that white paper, for work, I was surprised at just how
many failure mechanisms were in play. This, on top of any other
common electronic failure mechanisms. (Die contamination,
metal fatigue, electrophoretic migration, tin whiskers, oxidation, etc.)
-- Jim
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I think most SSD manufacturers try to disguise the wear out characteristics of
their drives.
I talk about SSD life in class and many of my students are shocked to hear it...
-Curt
On Tuesday, April 19, 2022, 10:20:39 AM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
wrote:
> You get what you pay for here to
> IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of data to solid-state storage and
> wearing it out.
Yep, we had some customers that turned on the debug logging features, to '11',
and
left them on. Took out the onboard flash in about a year. Not too cool,
losing six-figure
network backbone systems to
Right up there with Bloodbath and Beyond.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 6:08 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> Nope.
>
> There used to be a great website with that domain name that was a
> fantastic parody of the place, but it’s been gone for a long time. I’m
> sure the “real” one shut it down
It’s like a SaaS model for cars
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:33 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things
>> after the fact.
>
> You are becoming a Luddite, Dan.
>
> Sadly, most manufacturers
A month ago, we bought a new minivan, a 2022 Toyota Sienna. It has many
subscription based features. There’s a handy Toyota app that allows you to stop
and start your engine, lock and unlock the doors and a few other things. It’s
free for the first year, but $9.00 per month after that. That van
Nope.
There used to be a great website with that domain name that was a fantastic
parody of the place, but it’s been gone for a long time. I’m sure the “real”
one shut it down.
-D
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 6:06 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> I love you typed, “Home Despot”. I thought
I love you typed, “Home Despot”. I thought that was a me thing.
AZBob
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 12:33 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker
> died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it
SWMBO is always right you know!
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 5:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>
> You just made someone very happy. SWMBO insists on rinsing.
>
>> On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis
>> wrote:
>> If you want clogged hoses and filters then scra
You just made someone very happy. SWMBO insists on rinsing.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:06 PM Dimitri Seretakis
wrote:
> If you want clogged hoses and filters then scrape. They tell you not to
> rinse because they want you to think you are saving water and getting a
> more user friendly experienc
If you want clogged hoses and filters then scrape. They tell you not to rinse
because they want you to think you are saving water and getting a more user
friendly experience. They claim that the detergent clings better to food
particles. I call BS as does my repairman. I’ve spent hundreds of dol
Yeah, we got burned on Maytag in the last Florida house. Bought a range/over
and a fridge. The fridge was OK, the dishwasher a POS, but the range/oven,
which we still have, has been wonky for a number of years and no one seems to
know how to fix it. We know the work-aound, and we like it otherwi
Bosch manual says "scrape dishes DO NOT RINSE before loading."
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:33 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid
> used to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation.
There are also a lot fewer manufacturers than there are brands. KitchenAid used
to be made by Hobart and that established their reputation. Today they are just
a brand of Whirlpool, as is Maytag, another brand that used to be known for
dependability.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 3:21 PM, Dimitri
I meant rinse off dishes prior to placing in dishwasher, not pre-washing.
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:29 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>
> Don’t be fooled. I deal with many dishwashers failing and getting repaired
> by a repair man. They say to pre-wash dishes regardless of wha
Don’t be fooled. I deal with many dishwashers failing and getting repaired by a
repair man. They say to pre-wash dishes regardless of what any manufacturer
says.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
>
> Eh, the original DWs required you to scrupulous
My own house also has a kitchen aid side by side fridge which is 15 years old.
Also no problems. I have a rental property with a Fischer and Paykel fridge
also 15 years old and rock solid.
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> We mov
Yup. Clean mine weekly.
At the Flagstaff house the previous owners spared no expense for appliances.
Everything there is pretty high end stuff - not Wolf or like that, but the high
end GE stuff, for example. The dishwasher is a Kitchenaid, I think, and not
long after we bought the place the you
Eh, the original DWs required you to scrupulously clean each dish before
loading. no thanks.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:21 PM Dimitri Seretakis
wrote:
> Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are
> Bosch but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of
Kitchen aid dishwashers are considered good by today’s standards, as are Bosch
but the longest lifespan dishwashers made today are Miele. Of course these are
probably all junk compared to the stuff made 30-40 yrs ago.
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 4:02 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Merc
The Bosch DW requires you to clean the food screen manually but is so well
designed that it takes only 30 seconds to a minute to do, maybe twice
monthly.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 4:07 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Right, that’s why I’m not buying a car that ne
Right, that’s why I’m not buying a car that needs software to run.
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> On Apr 18, 2022, at 3:37 PM, OK Don via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or
> leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed
>
I have a KitchenAid dishwasher. It tends to accumuate debris in the drain.
There is a rotating blade there that is supposed to chop up food waste, but if
a little chip of a plate or cup or bit of bone gets in there it will make a
terrible noise. I need to clean mine out every year or two.
Allan
We moved in 9 years ago to a home that had KitchenAid double door fridge
and SS dishwasher - installed 5 years prior. The DW was repaired once,
then started making a noise that didn't affect its operation, but we
replaced it anyway with a Bosch. The fridge hasn't given any trouble at
all.
On Mon
The other factor is that software is usually considered to be rented or
leased, not owned by the user who pays for it - even old installed
applications like Office IIRC. So why should the software running the car
be any different?
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:33 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes
They are still in the infancy stage - take another look in 20 years or so.
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 1:57 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> Seems like a silly system, I see wanting to write but the base
> configuration should be on non-volitile storage with the drive re
> I own it, it’s mine, the manufacturer should not be able to change things
> after the fact.
You are becoming a Luddite, Dan.
Sadly, most manufacturers are going to a "subscription" model, not only for
software (I.E. QuickBooks, Office 365), but for enabling options on
automobiles. Want heate
We have a Kenmore fridge, top french doors, bottom freezer. THe ice maker
died and was replaced twice under warranty. THe next time it "died", the
warranty was expired, so I messed with it and figured out that the switch
that keeps it from dumping when you open the bottom door - with a bit of
jiggl
Seems like a silly system, I see wanting to write but the base configuration
should be on non-volitile storage with the drive relatively easy and
inexpensive to replace...
Curt
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 2:54 PM, Allan Streib via
Mercedes wrote: IIRC they wer
IIRC they were doing a lot of writing of data to solid-state storage and
wearing it out. Yes, like a spinning hard drive, solid-state drives can wear
out. They will take a limited number of writes before they start throwing
errors. You get what you pay for here too, like most things.
On Mon, Ap
Had some dealers tell me that but otherwise no.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for
> screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing.
>
> Sounds a bit like c
I think the difference between the two was about $100. The lesser one had a lot
of negative reviews, too.
-D
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:37 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> My general opinion is to get the best/most expensive or the absolute
> cheapest. With the later at least you're not out a ton of
My general opinion is to get the best/most expensive or the absolute cheapest.
With the later at least you're not out a ton of money...
-Curt
On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:35:45 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
wrote:
I just bought a Chinese beverage cooler to take the place of a tr
Apple products have a setting that allows you to choose anytime, when you want,
or never.
-D
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> My least favorite "feature" of phones/tablets is the "You get an update
> right now." whether I'm in the middle of something or not...
>
> -Cur
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022, at 10:18 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:
> If you can keep a Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that
> more "green" than buying another car every five or ten years?
That has been my philosophy for the last 25 years or so.
Allan
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I just bought a Chinese beverage cooler to take the place of a trash compactor
at the Flagstaff house. It was that or a generic base cabinet I likely wouldn’t
have been able to match the rest.
Because the space is only 15” I had a heck of a time finding something that
would fit and wasn’t a sma
My least favorite "feature" of phones/tablets is the "You get an update right
now." whether I'm in the middle of something or not...
-Curt
On Monday, April 18, 2022, 02:30:09 PM EDT, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
wrote:
The issue I have with products like the Tesla is that they can control
The issue I have with products like the Tesla is that they can control it
without your approval. There are a number of documented instances when the cars
changed hands and as a part of that process features were disabled so that the
new owner could not access them.
You can avoid this by not all
“Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long people
keep cars...”
Which is exactly why EVs are disposable and couple this with the fact that the
hugely expensive batteries are relatively short lived.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond via
I have a Sammy fridge too. First the bottom ice machine crapped out, was still
nerf warranty (I might have an extended I don’t recall) so a guy came a fixed
it with a plastic “fill tube” about 6” long that froze and broke. Duh, a
plastic tube filled with water in a freezer. Who knew. So that one
Do you have a source for that? I see that Tesla has issued a big recall for
screens, they're blaming it on the hard drive that runs the thing.
Sounds a bit like computer guys designing cars didn't consider how long people
keep cars...
-Curt
On Monday, April 18, 2022, 01:26:37 PM EDT, Kaleb
Bought a Samsung dishwasher this summer for a rental property. It failed in
three months. Samsung said it was not repairable and that they could not
replace it and would not pay for labor. They told me to go to their online
store and with a credit buy whatever I wanted - could be a smart phone o
We have a Maytag washer and drier front loading pair that has to be 15 years
old now. A couple of years ago the bearing in the back of the tub started
making loud noises. I found some videos of replacing it because Maytag does not
sell it. Just the entire tub assembly. Found the proper bearing,
With Teslas the big screen is the middle is programmed to die after a certain
amount of time. Supposedly it quits working and it’s a software thing but the
whole assembly has to be replaced. Cars are basically the new iPhones.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Apr 18, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dimitri Seretak
As you all know, I have a few rental properties. Until a few years ago, I would
be tempted by brands such as Samsung or LG or other low end “American” brands
for appliances because they were relatively inexpensive but looked good in
stainless suits. I’ve learned my lesson. Samsung and LG applian
I don’t have a problem paying more for a product if it’s going to last longer
and provide the same functionality. Something like a dishwasher, washing
machine, etc., that wouldn’t change significantly as far as functionality makes
a lot of sense. Certainly, stuff breaks, but who needs a new drye
Absolutely more green to keep using the same product indefinitely. There is no
doubt in my mind that an EV will have a max lifespan of 15 years, most 10-12
years. The exceptions will be those few cars owned by people who are willing to
spend tens of thousands of dollars on a new battery to keep
I don’t think this is political in nature, Rick. It’s about planned
obsolescence, and is spot-on. It makes sense to me that manufacturers be
required to maintain spared for a reasonable period of time as described or pay
a disposal fee up front.
That makes perfect sense to me, and it would also
Specifically. Damn autocorrect.
Rick
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Off topic?
On topic?
He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let
Off topic?
On topic?
He doesn't discuss Mercedes specially, but let's be honest. If you can keep a
Wxxx on the road for 40 plus years, isn't that more "green" than buying another
car every five or ten years?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245674
It truly pisses me off when I go to rep
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