Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread OK Don
I hope you are right about all the 60x ingines using the same pump, but Rusty'e site shows a different pump for the earlier run of 602 engines in the 300D 2.5 -- http://tinyurl.com/opbsc The replacement vacuum pump from Pierburg is identical for all OM60x engines manufactured between 1984 and

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread Marshall Booth
OK Don wrote: I hope you are right about all the 60x ingines using the same pump, but Rusty'e site shows a different pump for the earlier run of 602 engines in the 300D 2.5 -- http://tinyurl.com/opbsc You are correct. The are both 7.20607 pumps but one is a 7.20607.74 and the other is a

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread OK Don
But will the .25 bolt up and work instead of the .74 on this engine? Anyone BTDT? On 3/20/06, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: I hope you are right about all the 60x ingines using the same pump, -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread Marshall Booth
OK Don wrote: But will the .25 bolt up and work instead of the .74 on this engine? Anyone BTDT? I don't think so, but I've never tried substituting them. If they were interchangeable, I'm sure that Mercedes would eliminate one of them so they didn't have to stock two different versions.

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread ned kleinhenz
Marshall pointed out The latest ones have four screws on the outside and are supposed to be somewhat longer lived than the earlier ones with the front cover that's crimped on, but from what I've heard, they are starting to fail at about 200kmi. I expect the life of the pump is very closely

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-21 Thread Marshall Booth
ned kleinhenz wrote: Marshall pointed out The latest ones have four screws on the outside and are supposed to be somewhat longer lived than the earlier ones with the front cover that's crimped on, but from what I've heard, they are starting to fail at about 200kmi. I expect the life of the pump

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-20 Thread John W. Reames III
On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: usually suggest changing pumps at least every 200kmi. The pump used on the OM606 is the same design as was used on earlier OM60x engines although there have been several revisions (each intended to increase reliability) since that style was

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-20 Thread Marshall Booth
John W. Reames III wrote: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Marshall Booth wrote: usually suggest changing pumps at least every 200kmi. The pump used on the OM606 is the same design as was used on earlier OM60x engines although there have been several revisions (each intended to increase reliability)

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-19 Thread Jeff Zedic
I'd drop the pan and see what's what! It's not that hard to do! Jeff Zedic Toronto 87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-19 Thread ned kleinhenz
Casey: I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removable side panel off the oil pan Really? That would be like discovering the Northwest Passage. Where is the small removalble panel? I don't rememeber noticing one while under there. I don't see one pictured anywhere in the shop manual. And

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-19 Thread Marshall Booth
ned kleinhenz wrote: Casey: I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removable side panel off the oil pan Really? That would be like discovering the Northwest Passage. Where is the small removalble panel? I don't rememeber noticing one while under there. I don't see one pictured anywhere

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-19 Thread Marshall Booth
The new style vacuum pumps have been reported to be reliable for more = than 200kmi. Because there is seldom ANY warning of vacuum pump failure, = mechanics that have worked on engines that have failed from pump failure = usually suggest changing pumps at least every 200kmi. The pump used on =

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-19 Thread Zeitgeist
Well, I'll be...it appears as if the OM606 engines did away with the oil sump wing-extension. I suppose alternatively, you could go in through the oil level sending unit with a flexible extension handle magnet to grab the detritus. In addition, you could glue a few of those powerful rare earth

[MBZ] Uh-Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-18 Thread ned kleinhenz
I removed the vacuum pump from my '95 E300D, today, to replace it with a new one from Rusty. Right away, it was easy to spot why I totally lost all vacuum. The old pump was trashed. I'd post photos, if I could figure out how to. (Could someone instruct me off line?) I remember stories of other

Re: [MBZ] Uh-Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-18 Thread Zeitgeist
I suspect you dodged a bullet. I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removeable side panel off the oil pan, and fish out the offending marbles with a magnet. On 3/18/06, ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't find any little bearings on the failed pump. Are they supposed to be in

Re: [MBZ] Uh-Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-18 Thread Sunil Hari
how likely/frequent is this failure on an OM602 engine, say in a 92 300D with 287Kmi? On 3/18/06, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect you dodged a bullet. I'd drain the oil, then pull the small removeable side panel off the oil pan, and fish out the offending marbles with a magnet.

Re: [MBZ] Uh-Oh -- Little Bearings?

2006-03-18 Thread Tom Hargrave
-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of ned kleinhenz Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Uh-Oh -- Little Bearings? I removed the vacuum pump from my '95 E300D, today, to replace