[MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread rogerhga
Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better mileage, but I don't expect to see it. It's better to try to create something else rather than what could be. And even our old diesels would run on synthetic diesel without costly mods. Best Wishes,

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition engines), or are we talking about synthesizing diesel from NG? Mitch. roger...@comcast.net wrote: Jerry, I'd switch even my old diesels for synthetic diesel. It's cleaner, more power, better

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff
Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are we talking about running diesel engines on CNG (I'd only heard of that with spark ignition

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread andrew strasfogel
Converting flared/stranded natural gas deposits into diesel is the veritable valhalla of synthetic fuels development. On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread G Mann
I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems worked fine, however, power and mileage lost the match. Total BTU of LNG

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread astrasfogel
@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. I have some experience with that program. About 12 years ago our local transit system converted several buses to LNG [Liquified Natural Gas] to join the clean is green movement. The engines ran OK, delivery and fill systems

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread astrasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years in the transmission line business. Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Are we talking about running diesel

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff
Diesels have been modified to run on NG for some time in the transmission line and drilling industry. This is mainly due to cheap and readily available gas supplies at the point of origin. Keep in mind that the decreased power output was offset by oversizing the prime mover, with the resulting

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Mitch Haley
I believe if you take a gasoline engine and raise the compression ratio, you can get better power than with gasoline (but range is still a problem with compressed natural gas) 15-20 years back, Dick Guldstrand was showing drawings of a proposed ultra high performance CNG fueled Corvette GS.

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Dan Penoff
Commonly done in the generator and industrial engine market. Wreaked a lot of havoc because there were two different pistons used for the same engine, depending on the type of fuel used. You could go down, but not up... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Aug 9, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Mitch Haley

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread G Mann
Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:43:41 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. I have some experience with that program. About

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:46:16 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas. Running diesels on natural gas is old news. Been done for years

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Allan Streib
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Back 10 or so years ago Portland, Maine had an electric bus for commuter to park in a lot outside of downtown. I rode it quite a bit. The driver's commented that the biggest issue the designers had (I gathered the bus was a work in progress) was

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-09 Thread Curt Raymond
Battery powered. Trackless trollys have been a fixture of greater Boston for years and years. -Curt Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:42:44 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural

[MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-08 Thread Jerry Herrman
Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning natural gas? Not sure of the name of the company, but I hear that Caterpillar and Cummins will be using this technoogy.

Re: [MBZ] conversion of diesel-fueled engines to natural gas.

2011-08-08 Thread OK Don
Natural gas is also a dinosaur fuel --- On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: Is it too early to ask the collective opinion of this apparently new technology that is available to retrofit current diesel engines from dinosaur-diesel fuel to clean burning