the Worst Car ever made?...
When I saw this I immediately thought of the Cimarron. When Car Driver
tested one back in the day, they said that GM should send out a letter of
apology
with each one sold.
And the Pontiac, Olds and Chev version of that turd were no better.
RLE
The 1953 Henry J. Stalled on every hill in Cincinnati. What a piece of
sh*t.
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 10:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the Worst Car ever made?...
When I saw this I immediately thought of the Cimarron. When Car Driver
tested one back in the day, they said that GM
In a road test article on the Cimarron, Car and Driver opined that GM should
send out a letter of apology to each purchaser.
RLE
In a road test article on the Cimarron, Car and Driver opined that GM
should
send out a letter of apology to each purchaser.
My brother (the mechanic) loved his. Bought it for $50 or some such,
flogged it mercilessly, and left it alongside the road with title
and keys in it (or maybe some
The Escalade actually sits on the shorter wheelbased Chevy Tahoe/GMC Yukon
Rob Vonderhaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You guys are a really tough crowd! I'd be the first to agree that
Cadillac lost its way in the last 20 years, with the absolute low point
being the Cimarron. Total POS,
That's the BOP bolt patternBuick, Olds, Pontiac. Mike
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From: Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
I had that experience with a small block Pontiac motor
Harry M. wrote:
Refering to the Karmann Ghia, nothing more then a upside down bathtub with
wheels
No, he means the Porsche 914. It was made by Porsche, but shared most
of its engine components with the 1972 and up VW Bus and the other VWs
that used Type IV engines. The Porsche version had
Oh, you're right about that, my bad.. If I'm not mistaken the 914 was
essentially a true Porsche but it did use a 1.7 VW engine. The 912 was 4 cyl
version of the 911
David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Harry M. wrote:
Refering to the Karmann Ghia, nothing more then a upside down
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
I had that experience with a small block Pontiac motor where I couldn't use
a Chevy 350 trans but instead it was a Olds 350 transmission. Something
different with the bellhousings and where the engine bolts up was different
the 200 was another sad tale of woe for GM. originally designed for use
with small displacement engines, some genius decided that they were
adequately over engineered to be used on V8s. the tranny lasted about 20k
miles, but this was in the days of 12k new car warranties
At 06:53 PM
Its not hard to believe Cadillac took a econobox chevy and put their name on it
with $5,000 premium and called it a real caddy. And the kicker was people
bought it!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
,The Cadillac Cimarron debuted as a 1982 model. It had a 112 c.u. engine
in 82. By 1983 it was
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Its not hard to believe Cadillac took a econobox chevy and put their name on
it with $5,000 premium and called it a real caddy. And the kicker was people
bought it!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
,The Cadillac Cimarron
: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Its not hard to believe Cadillac took a econobox chevy and put their name on
it with $5,000 premium and called it a real caddy. And the kicker was people
bought it!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
,The Cadillac Cimarron debuted as a 1982
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Its not hard to believe Cadillac took a econobox chevy and put their name
on
it with $5,000 premium and called it a real caddy. And the kicker was
people
bought it!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
,The Cadillac Cimarron debuted
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From: Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Its how the bean counters at GM save money, just slap some chrome and a
cheap plastic badge on it and call it something else. You
I'm not so sure of that.At least with the dice and seat covers you knew
what was underneath.Mike
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From: Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Its how
Mike Canfield wrote:
They still do the same thing now and get away with it..Remember when a
GMC was a TRUCK and a Caddy was, well, a Caddy not a Pimped out Suburban.
When will they ever learn???
It makes lots of sense from their point of view, and I have no problem
with it so long
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000 premium
just for stuffing a V8 in a Passat
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mike Canfield wrote:
They still do the same thing now and get away with it..Remember when a
GMC was a TRUCK and a Caddy was, well, a
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000
premium just for stuffing a V8 in a Passat
yeah...remember that porsche that vw made(?) with the mid engine? was it
called a 914?
Good point John..Mike
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From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Mike Canfield wrote:
They still do the same thing now and get away
Porsche/VW/AudiAll the same company. Mike
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From: JJJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When will people learn that a
vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)
Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
differences, aside from suspension tuning
:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When will people learn that a
vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)
Fascinating, isn't it? The nameplates at GM ceased to have any deep
mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000
premium just for stuffing a V8 in a Passat
yeah...remember that porsche that vw made(?) with the mid engine? was it
called
Refering to the Karmann Ghia, nothing more then a upside down bathtub with
wheels
JJJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000
premium just for stuffing a V8 in a Passat
yeah...remember that porsche that vw made(?) with the mid engine?
Mike Canfield wrote:
Porsche/VW/AudiAll the same company. Mike
VW and Audi are part of the VW group (VW actually only owns 99% of
Audi), along with Skoda (Czech Republic) and Seat (Spain). Lamborghini
somehow is considered to be part of Audi without falling directly under
the VW
nope...i had two ghias...no pretense to porschedom...think later, kinda boxy
Refering to the Karmann Ghia, nothing more then a upside down bathtub with
wheels
JJJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000
premium just for
Not too many parts shared but the ARE the same company right? Mike
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From: Harry M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Actually, Porsche doesn't share to many parts
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
Seeem to believe VW does the same stuff, except they charged a $10,000
premium just for stuffing a V8 in a Passat
yeah...remember that porsche that vw made
You guys are a really tough crowd! I'd be the first to agree that
Cadillac lost its way in the last 20 years, with the absolute low point
being the Cimarron. Total POS, without doubt. A big part of the
problem was the beancounter mentality of the Roger Smith era that led to
so much
could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?
At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When will people learn that a
vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
just because its a Caddy is probably a better question ;)
Fascinating, isn't
De plane! De plane!
Answer: yes!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
could you order a volare with rich corinthian leather?
At 10:16 AM 9/13/2005, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When will people learn that a
vehicle isn't better because its a Caddy (or an MB for that matter ;)
just because
, 2005 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cimarron
My 1st Porsche, a 1953 1500 normal, the engine case had VW casting with the
VW logo. I rebuilt the engine and changed it to a 1500 super and drove from
Seattle to Guadalajara Mexico, that was in August of 1958. The early Porsche´s
were like the VW
as late as the late 70s there were some substantial differences between
identical GM cars, most obvious being that each division had their own
engines. in other words, a chevy, olds and buick 350 were all different
engines. other little things included such idiosyncrasies as buick not
I had that experience with a small block Pontiac motor where I couldn't use a
Chevy 350 trans but instead it was a Olds 350 transmission. Something different
with the bellhousings and where the engine bolts up was different. Buick and
Pontiac back in the 70's and early 80's used a turbo
someone claiming to be [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Lordy, what an awful car. Car Driver magazine in a road test article said
that GM should send a letter of apology to each purchaser.
Well, assuming they did, possibly they could forward the wording to Mercedes
for the early M-Class, or BMW for
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