https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67967421
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 18:32, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
> Also, school busses are not currently noted for catching on fire.
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> What are the chances of roasting a busload of chilluns due to a
> minor accident? (Road hazard staking the
That sounds more appropriate.
-D
> On Jan 9, 2024, at 12:31 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
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>> ...went so far as to suggest that a typical bus gets 10 mpg (optimistic)
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> When I was a tyke (1970?) I recall our school bus driver saying that the
> (school's new) diesels got
> ...went so far as to suggest that a typical bus gets 10 mpg (optimistic)
When I was a tyke (1970?) I recall our school bus driver saying that the
(school's new) diesels got 6MPG, vs the older gassers that got 3MPG.
-- Jim
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 04:11:51 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
wrote:
> > Also, school busses are not currently noted for catching on fire.
>
> What are the chances of roasting a busload of chilluns due to a
> minor accident? (Road hazard staking the battery pack?)
> Wouldn't take many of those to
> Also, school busses are not currently noted for catching on fire.
What are the chances of roasting a busload of chilluns due to a
minor accident? (Road hazard staking the battery pack?)
Wouldn't take many of those to Hindenburg the entire concept,
and any/everyone who voted for it.
Hmm.
Same in Indiana. Since the activists (in combination with some bad project
management) succeeded in killing the Marble Hill nuclear project in the 1980s,
it's nearly all coal and natural gas now, except for some wind power in the
northwest part of the state.
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 18:04,
yes that is the oversight of the green movement. also how about the Lithium
in the EV batteries?
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 6:24 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> All energy is generated by fossils fuels. How much fossil fuel is used to
> produce wind mills, or the
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 22:55:08 + "dan penoff.com via Mercedes"
wrote:
> Well done, Craig!
Thank you!
> I would also posit that as a school district and government entity,
> they’re likely not paying anything near $0.20/kWH for their
> electricity, so I would expect that amount to be lower.
Also, school busses are not currently noted for catching on fire.
What are the chances of roasting a busload of chilluns due to a
minor accident? (Road hazard staking the battery pack?)
Wouldn't take many of those to Hindenburg the entire concept,
and any/everyone who voted for it.
-- Jim
All energy is generated by fossils fuels. How much fossil fuel is used to
produce wind mills, or the batteries for these busses? Or solar panels?
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> On Jan 8, 2024, at 5:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> A quick Google search suggests that most of the
And the diesel comes from oil pumped in the neighborhood, so there's
that to consider too.
--FT
On 1/8/24 6:04 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
A quick Google search suggests that most of the electricity generated
in OK is by way of fossil fuels so that puts a bit of a damper on the
Something that is butt ugly
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> On Jan 8, 2024, at 11:59 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> But what is a "Lifestyle Delivery Vehicle" ?
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>> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 12:48, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> EVs are ideal for this sort of application -- daily routes
A quick Google search suggests that most of the electricity generated in
OK is by way of fossil fuels so that puts a bit of a damper on the green
side of electric school buses too.
Randy
On 08/01/2024 4:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
Well done, Craig!
I would also posit that as
Good point, Floyd, hadn’t thought about that.
-D
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 5:57 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> And in northern cold climates the batteries will degrade capacity and output
> considerably, and will require self-heating to make them work. All that will
> degrade range
And in northern cold climates the batteries will degrade capacity and
output considerably, and will require self-heating to make them work.
All that will degrade range considerably, I don't know how much a
battery is affected in that regard.
--FT
On 1/8/24 5:38 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:
Well done, Craig!
I would also posit that as a school district and government entity, they’re
likely not paying anything near $0.20/kWH for their electricity, so I would
expect that amount to be lower.
What if we took your numbers and went so far as to suggest that a typical bus
gets 10 mpg
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 20:20:38 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> They also don't go very far or terribly fast in most cases...
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> Its the charging that would be an issue.
And as Rick posted Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:18:58 +:
https://youtu.be/ptI6BRVC1Kw
Electric Cars:
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 20:46:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
wrote:
> And they all need to be recharged by the time they're put into use
> again.
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> This is a case where failure is not acceptable, they MUST be recharged
> in the time allowed so the electricity for them to be recharged
As consumption is a concern with these, I would expect some pretty fancy
software to manage the operation of the charger. This is not new, by any means.
I’ve worked with industrial chargers for large battery banks that had these
capabilities decades ago. Current limiting, load shedding, etc.,
And they all need to be recharged by the time they're put into use again.
This is a case where failure is not acceptable, they MUST be recharged in the
time allowed so the electricity for them to be recharged MUST be available.
We're talking batteries in the 250kwh range, if you're discharging
I guess in theory you could have timers so they didn't all start charging at
the same time, but that adds to the complexity and cost of the charging
infrastructure (and adds to its fallibility).
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 15:10, Curt Raymond wrote:
> The Edison guys talked about the fundamental
Possibly. I would think this could be managed by the chargers. Ramping up,
throttling based on demand, techniques like this aren’t unknown.
-D
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 3:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
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> They also don't go very far or terribly fast in most cases...
>
> Its the charging that would
They also don't go very far or terribly fast in most cases...
Its the charging that would be an issue.
-Curt
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 03:18:37 PM EST, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
wrote:
That’s sort of unexpected for a school district in IN…
That said, think about the vehicle - a
That’s sort of unexpected for a school district in IN…
That said, think about the vehicle - a school bus would be the ideal EV
platform, I would think, with loads of space for batteries.
-D
> On Jan 8, 2024, at 2:29 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
> wrote:
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> Some years back the local
The Edison guys talked about the fundamental problem with electric busses in
one of their videos. This would particularly apply to school busses.
School busses run on a fixed schedule, they pretty much all head out and return
at the same time. So plug in all those busses, with their great big
The article suggested they were around $40k apiece which is expensive for what
is essentially a mini-van but not completely absurd considering today's absurd
vehicle market...
-Curt
On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 02:13:22 PM EST, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
wrote:
It would be
Some years back the local school district here asked the transportation manager
to look into electric school buses. He did some research and reported back that
they didn't make economic sense compared to diesel buses given the costs,
battery technology, infrastructure needed for charging,
It would be instructive to know what taxpayer subsidies are involved in this
company and these products. Here in SC the state legislators have been handing
out huge subsidies and FILOTs to various companies including a bunch of
electric vehicle companies and suppliers.
There was a company
OK apparently "Lifestyle" is the name of the platform and "Delivery" is one of
the configuration options available.
https://www.canoo.com/canoo/
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 12:58, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> But what is a "Lifestyle Delivery Vehicle" ?
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> On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 12:48,
But what is a "Lifestyle Delivery Vehicle" ?
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 12:48, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> EVs are ideal for this sort of application -- daily routes that can manage an
> entire day's driving under full load, then return to home base for overnight
> recharging.
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> On Mon, Jan 8,
EVs are ideal for this sort of application -- daily routes that can manage
an entire day's driving under full load, then return to home base for
overnight recharging.
On Mon, Jan 8, 2024 at 12:44 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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