Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've got a touchbar Macbook and I hate it, worst keyboard ever, the touchbar is stupid and the trackpad is too big. When I first got it I thought I'd had a stroke, its so hard to type on.A couple months ago I was in California and found a 2010 or 2011 Macbook hanging around that I ended up

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-06 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
moving from 10.6.8 to el crap (10.11) i see no improvements, only things that are worse.   Is mojave worse yet than el crap?  I know the other stuff is their big money maker, but if they can't improve the computers or OS, why bother releasing crappier versions? OS and expandability are 2

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The cheese grater case was its own kind of annoying since it won't fit in a 19" rack without cutting the ears off. Apple literally told you to cut the ears of, so lame.The G4 case was PERFECT except they refused to put fans in it, well and they put the motherboard in upside down... Many sites

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-06 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes
All true. I’m wondering how many people in the video production biz are going to forget all this and move back or abandoned the workflows they have at present. I think Apple burned a lot of very, very important bridges when they abandoned the cheesegrater and went to the trash can. -D > On

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I was curious about it too. The system I'd price it against is an HP Z8 which starts at just under $3k but thats a pretty low end processor compared to the Mac, once you jump that and the RAM up to parity its around $5k or about $1000 cheaper than the Mac. Now once you max out the HP you've

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Yup. And I recall the G5 cheese graters, especially the water cooled ones and what a nightmare they could be…when the cooling system leaked. I can’t hear the fans on my 5.1 unless I’m running HandBrake or rendering video. And then I just barely hear them spool up, and I don’t have to look to

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
My read is that the skin is not necessary for maximum cooling potential. IOW, it can run naked without damage, no matter what you do. Sounds like it can be a hot one, too. Running one of those at full roar for 8 hours a day would cost $160/yr at my house, for the electricity alone. In a 24x7

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote: > 1.4kw (I assume that's power supply output, not input) sounds like you > can use it as a substitute for those little electric space heaters. Indeed. If you can afford the computer, I guess you can afford the increased

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Curley McLain via Mercedes
dunno.   At 11 grand, I won't be buying one. Curt, what ballpark range would a similarly decked out (Spec) new winders system with appropriate licenses cost? Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 6/5/19 7:32 PM: On June 5, 2019 at 8:20 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: So what does "it can run

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
We have a forensic workstation in our office that produces so much heat we had to run a duct to it from the air handler. It’s got four GPUs in it to do some serious number crunching. Almost as bad as a large production server for an ESX environment or a blade server rack... -D > On Jun 5,

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> On June 5, 2019 at 8:20 PM Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > So what does "it can run fully unconstrained without being turned off" > mean? The first Mac product that can run at maximum load without melting? 1.4kw (I assume that's power supply output, not input) sounds like you can use it as a

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 5 Jun 2019 20:03:44 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: > There is going to be a rack mount option. > > -D I found a picture of it on: https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/apple-wwdc-2019-06-03-worldwide-developers-conference-keynote-itunes-mac-ios-live-blog-today/ After the picture,

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
There is going to be a rack mount option. -D > On Jun 5, 2019, at 7:34 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The old Mac Pro was called a cheese grater, I don't see this one any more > grater-y than the old one. It does look like a kitchen implement though. > Still won't mount easily

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
The old Mac Pro was called a cheese grater, I don't see this one any more grater-y than the old one. It does look like a kitchen implement though. Still won't mount easily in a standard rack... -Curt On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 6:36:15 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote: THe

Re: [MBZ] OT MacRumors Forums: iOS 13, macOS Catalina, and new Mac Pro

2019-06-05 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes
Actually, people I know in the business have been referring to it as the “colander”. That seems more appropriate looking at the holes in it. -D using his 5.1 cheesegrater > On Jun 5, 2019, at 6:35 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes > wrote: > > THe mac pro cylinder is gone. > The new Mac pro