I know that diesel turbos don't get as hot as their gas counterparts
but
I wanted to ask what type of practices people were using in allowing
the
turbo to slow down before turning the engine off.
Nothing special.
-- Jim
What I do is rebuild the one side and then put piston back in. Use a C clamp
to hold that piston in and do the same trick for the other side.
Trampas
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Kevin J. Slater
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 5:36 PM
I had the wipers running on delay setting then after a time they just quit.
The washers will not work as well. I checked the fuse it is ok. Any ideas?
Thanks
Bruce Sandy
Toledo Ohio Area Biodiesel site
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biodieseltolarea
1984 300D (The Beauty)
1985
Vandals smashed the drivers side (left door) mirror, the glass part on my 82
240D. How do I go about replacing the glass? Anyone done this?
Jerry
82 240D
230,000 miles
Thanks Dwight -
The local shoe store said NB doesn't make their shoes in E or EE, EEE,
- just goes to show how knowlegable he was. I guess he wanted to make
a sale
Thanks for the link to a perfectdealer -- I'll take a look ;-)
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
Use a flat wooden stick to pop it out. The extra large paint stir sticks
work pretty well but they can be hard to find. Move the mirror to the end
of its travel and slide the stick behind the mirror and pry it outward
gently until it pops out.
Using something wooden prevents damage to the
Jerry,
On my 79 240D the glass came loose form the base. I just glued it back
on-so you should be able to buy just the glass-or have one cut and glue
it if the base and frame are still intact. Sorry to hear that. Vandals
trashed the mirror on my Forester-electric-cost 300 to replace the whole
Yes-the 991's are not in the shoe stores now-they have been replaced by
more expensive 992's. But that site-and many others -has EE-not sure
about EEE.
That perfect dealer site sent me a big catalogue of all models sizes.
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co.
-Original Message-
From:
Vandals smashed the drivers side (left door) mirror, the glass part on
my 82
240D. How do I go about replacing the glass? Anyone done this?
Some of the mirrors just pop out, but some (later?) ones, heated
ones in my experience, are held in via a metal circlip. On those
you fold the mirror in
I had the wipers running on delay setting then after a time they just
quit.
The washers will not work as well. I checked the fuse it is ok. Any
ideas?
My money's still on the fuse, given that the washer motor doesn't
share much of anything with the wiper except the fuse. (The switches
are
What I do is rebuild the one side and then put piston back in. Use a C
clamp
to hold that piston in and do the same trick for the other side.
I don't like to do it this way because it prevents a thorough cleaning
and drying before reassembly. I use a big washer with a rubber sheet
to seal the
ernest breakfield wrote:
only if you don't care about things like where your fuel was grown, where
the money you spend for fuel goes (i prefer keeping the money you spend
for fuel closer to home), who you have to send to a foreign country to
defend its supply, and what using it does to the
Holy cr*p I can't believe the length of this discussion topic - saving
money on shoes??
Perhaps this reflects the innate thriftiness of people who take pride
in driving 20+ year old cars with 200+ K miles.
On 8/26/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes-the 991's are not in the
Has anyone had to replace their 123 wiper transmission or motor? Mine
are still good after 23 years (famous last words...).
ALS
1983 300TD
On 8/26/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I had the wipers running on delay setting then after a time they just
quit.
The washers will not work
Yeah, I've changed a couple by hand.
I now take them to a tire store and pay for it, saves lots of work.
Unless you have the right tools, it's a real chore!
Peter
Idle or near idle for a couple minutes. Not a problem except on the
interstate -- any other time, I'm at or near idle for a while after
running hard. On the interstate, all stops include several to 5 or so
minutes of idle time before I shut down.
Peter
I now take them to a tire store and pay for it, saves lots of work.
Unless you have the right tools, it's a real chore!
I bid on a Coats machine once. Didn't get it.
-- Jim
I always used to wonder just how hardcore a motorcyclist would have to be to
actually repair a flat on the road - especially if it was tubeless.
Nevertheless, I used to carry a tire changing kit and fix kit, and a little
chingaso that allowed me to produce compressed air by turning the engine via
Marshall Booth wrote:
One COULD make a case for using up all THEIR oil first (especially if
it's cheaper and more efficient) and then switch to home grown
No kidding. All the idiot politicians who tell us to reduce our
dependence by burning off the small fraction that we haven't
Not only thriftiness, but the quest for quality.
Dwight
Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co.
Holy cr*p I can't believe the length of this discussion topic - saving
money on shoes??
Perhaps this reflects the innate thriftiness of people who take pride in
driving 20+ year old cars with 200+ K
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
Not only thriftiness, but the quest for quality.
...and a bit of antipathy towards cheap Chinese replicas
of the quality goods we used to buy. Have you looked
closely at a pair of $50 Dr Scholl's wingtips? From ten
feet away, they look like dress shoes. Internally,
Ditto Jm's comment about the fuse - don't just spin it - replace it - they
get hairline cracks.
BTW, don't forget you need to replace all fuses every 10-15 years - whether
they look bad or not.
Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
Test
Mitch wrote:cheap Chinese replicas
More more the USA is becoming economically dependant on China. If China
starts raising prices and/or taxes the USA economy would take the hit.
W'mart stock would drop like a rock, and the rest of the economy would
follow. Once those inductries and the
Mitch wrote:burning off the small fraction that we haven't
already burned must think
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground can only be calculated when
you use a number indicating the price you'e willing to pay. For instance,
if the economy could stand it, roughly $5/g makes the
LarryT wrote:
More more the USA is becoming economically dependant on China.
Here's what a Congressman is saying:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul338.html
LarryT wrote:
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground can only be calculated when
you use a number indicating the price you'e willing to pay.
But much of the cost of getting it out is in energy used to grab it.
So, to a large extent, it only works if you increase the price of the
form
Is there anything that Shoe Goo can't do? It can
even start a 30+ message thread!
Powerful stuff.
OOT (I guess), I'm now wearing the shoes wit' the goo on 'em.
-- Jim
I like your idea of using the stabilizer foot as a crushing force
though.
Really works slick, when it works at all.
And yes, Mitch is right - you have to get the opposing bead pulled in
and
sitting down in the middle trench to make any headway.
Also absolutely imperative to start removing
I will admit to having violated the manual's stricture
against splitting the halves of the calipers now on more than one
occasion without apparent adverse consequence. Makes inspection/cleaning a
bit easier and reinstallation of the pucks a lot easier. Last time on
my V'gon following a sudden
2/3 of the oil remains in the ground after a well goes dry. That's
the promise of enhanced oil recovery using steam, CO2, chemicals, and
bugs to recover some of the remaining 2/3..
On 8/27/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
LarryT wrote:
Actually, the amount of oil stick in the ground
I don't regret suckering up for the HF manual changer and it is Manual. Its
anchored to the basement floor so the wheel is anchored waist high and easy
to fool with. I have used it about 12 times with satisfying results, which
includes two tires for a friend.
The biggest problem I had to solve
Not running. A POS, but w/a manual tranny
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/198670755.html
No interest/affiliation/etc..
Chuck
Phoenix AZ
Original Message
Subject: Re: rebuilding a W123 front caliper
Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 07:19:15 -0700
From: Joe Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't feen competent to weigh in on the 'to sand or not to sand'
issue, but I will admit to having violated the
This certainly isn't an option for most, but if you have access to a
military auto hobby shop, they invariably have a tire machine. Once I
learned how to use it, took about a half hour for all four. I started doing
it because my metal valves got thrown out one time too many.
Tjohn
82 300 SD
Well gas is down to 2.64 or so, diesel is still 2.99. WTF?
--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
keep us posted.
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Remember this one? 1qt oil burned every 250-300 miles. Compression is all
320-380, injectors are clean and good spray. Runs like a scared cat (right
Kaleb?). Very minimal drops of oil (2-5 during 9 hours at work) under car each
day and no spray on
I just came in from a short trip in the '90 300D. It's raining here in Michigan
at the moment and I had to run the wipers. When first turning the wiper on it
is very slow and takes a few minutes before it seems to operate normally. Is
there anything which can be done to fix this problem? Is it
thanks dude
Marshall Booth wrote:
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Just got in an 84 190D. Guy said they stole the crank position sensor
off it, and included a new (well used) one. It has a cable, with the
sensor end almost about like the speedo sensor. Never really heard of a
crank position
yes, you have to check the coolant temp fully warmed up with your finger.
David Brodbeck wrote:
Hendrik Riessen wrote:
Nah, the really macho amongst us use their mouth to clean the
dipstickand no spitting is not allowed.
Also allows us to taste the condition of the fluid.
Well the headlight thing is wierd. Why would anyone stick those on a
newer car? Removed them because it had a cracked turn signal? Give me
a break, it was probably wrecked. The trailer hitch on the back is a
problem also, if I recall its mounted on TOP of the bumper.
Jim Cathey wrote:
yea, probably a generic text section, which also leads one to believe
there is more to it.
Desert Rat wrote:
Or, how about fly in and drive this Cadillac home!
On 8/24/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
did it say that? I must have missed it. It has a bad tranny as well.
And that
Actually, we have huge oil reserves here in the States but the oil is locked
up in oil rich shale. It takes technology and $$$ to process oil from oil
rich shale. We also have huge coal reserves and coal can be converted into
gasoline diesel.
The entire availability issue is locked in a cost /
probably 2k retail.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
The estimate to resolve ALL the rust is approx. $3,200.
I probably should have asked what's a 278k mile well-maintained 300TD with
a clean interior but some chassis rust worth in today's market? The only
perforation is in the PS floor area.
On
I'm looking for some more input on the '90 300D. Some of you may recall me
whining about the 16 Kuhmo tires I had on this car. They have since been
replaced with a set of Michelin MXV 215/60's. Same issue as with the Kuhmos.
Car is all over the road and tracks every little depression. The W124
I have a nice coats machine.
Rich Thomas wrote:
I saw in the Harbor Freight email ad some kind of tire changing machine
for $30, have no idea how it works, but it appears to be maual (or you
could go down to the local llanteria and have Manuel do it).
He is apparantly sending something other than plain text to the list.
Im not sure if these tests he is doing is changing how he receives
mail from the list or how is mail client is sending it.
Anyway, Im going to disable the attatchment scrubber for now till I can
get it to where it provides
Very very likely bad bearings in the turbo causing worn seals to leak
oil into the turbo intake.
The other possibility is badly worn valve guides (or incorrectly
installed ones) -- this will cause excessive blowby up the valve stems,
atomizing the oil and carrying the mist through the mist
REmove the covers and lubricate the gears, track, and sliding pin with
good synthetic grease before the motor locks up!
I don't remember how they come off, but this is really critical for
good operation.
Peter
Ebay is not a bad place to shop for shoes, the last pair I bought was New
Balance, 608, 11.5, 2E, new in the box delivered for $59, buy it now.
Harry Watkins
- Original Message -
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent:
maybe the motor is bad?
Bruce Lulfs wrote:
I had the wipers running on delay setting then after a time they just quit.
The washers will not work as well. I checked the fuse it is ok. Any ideas?
Thanks
Bruce Sandy
Toledo Ohio Area Biodiesel site
Yeah, but we gotta give up suburban living, shopping at the mall, and
driving 100 miles a day to work for the fuel consumption to fall.
Watch for a massive move back into high density city living in the near
future!
Peter
Power is nice, but the real advantage to a tire changing machine is
that if will clamp the wheel down and give you a leverage point for
removing the bead and will have a roller assembly for installing a
tire. Beats the h... out of wrestling the whole mess around on the
ground!
Peter
WAsher is separate from the wiper motor, assuming a Benz, so you may
have a switch problem.
Peter
The big problem is all the environmentalist left wing wackos.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Actually, we have huge oil reserves here in the States but the oil is locked
up in oil rich shale. It takes technology and $$$ to process oil from oil
rich shale. We also have huge coal reserves and coal can be
The factory designed the car that way for a reason.
Ralph W wrote:
I'm looking for some more input on the '90 300D. Some of you may recall me whining about the 16
Kuhmo tires I had on this car. They have since been replaced with a set of Michelin MXV 215/60's. Same
issue as with the Kuhmos.
While driving north on I-17 from Phoenix to Flagstaff yesterday, we started to
be passed by what was evidently a Dodge Viper club on an outing. There we, at
my best count, 35 - 40 of them. They all sounded sweet. Needless to say, at
79mph (where I had the cruise set) I was being passed like I
Ebay is not a bad place to shop for shoes, the last pair I bought was New
Balance, 608, 11.5, 2E, new in the box delivered for $59, buy it now.
Harry Watkins
- Original Message -
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Yesterday at the Safeway near my house, #2 was $3.14 and unleaded was
$2.80.
This morning, #2 is $3.19 and unleaded is $2.70.
Go figure.
Bob Rentfro
- Original Message -
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Biodiesel
The factory designed the car that way for a reason.
I don't disagree with you but I know Dave M. has some pretty crazy tire and
wheel setups on his W124's and I'm sure he has made it work. Could be his
upgraded sway bars, etc
I'll give it a shot. I'm sure it needs to be done regardless of my issue.
Any idea if any of this is in the service manual? I couldn't find any
reference to wiper motor.
REmove the covers and lubricate the gears, track, and sliding pin with
good synthetic grease before the motor locks up!
I
I've experienced the same thing with the 17 rims on my 124--really seems to
bumpsteer now. I think this setup amplifies and telegraphs suspension flaws
much more than the stock rims. I suspect that with a complete suspension
rebuild, it would exhibit much less of this negative tendancy.
On
Well I guess this is my day for 124 questions. The sunroof on my car works fine
but is in obvious need of lubing. I've read all the dire warning of how
dificult it is to work on the 124 sunroof. Is there something I can lube and
clean without taking the sunroof panel out and screwing something
Your test was a success...so, you failed.
On 8/27/06, Glenn M. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is yet another test to see if the text body of a post shows up,
thanx.
___
Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state
'87 300TD
I think the diffrenece in sidewall height must have a large effect as well.
My snow tires are fairly large and compliant. My Indy says he has noticed
the same sort of tendencies on other types of cars where larger low profile
tires are used over stick setup.
Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD
I can't argue with your logic in regards to west coast refineries and oil
out of Alaska but the basic problem is that most of the cheapest oil has
been tapped and is being pumped. The rest will cost more to produce and
simple economics will tell you that if it costs more to produce something
then
Or, more accurately, it's all the rightwing [EMAIL PROTECTED] dragging their
obese
asses along in their fullsize Ford Valdez SUVs with W'04 bumper stickers
firmly affixed.
Whei, I feel better now!
On 8/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The big problem is all the
What I can't figure out is how MB gets away with installing these big
rims/low profile tires on their new cars. Mine came off of an '06 C230.
On 8/27/06, Ralph W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think the diffrenece in sidewall height must have a large effect as
well.
My snow tires are fairly large
I will be mounting new tires and wheels on my 1992 500E this week.
Wheels - 17x8.5 AMG
Tires - Bridgestone Potenza 245/45x17
Rolling circumference is the same as the original stock wheel/tire.
I'll keep all posted..
Take care,
Chuck
Phoenix AZ
As info ... 1986 190E 2.3 16V with 18x8
Any idea if any of this is in the service manual? I couldn't find any
reference to wiper motor.
Almost certainly not covered. All they do is replace subassemblies.
-- Jim
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Holy cr*p I can't believe the length of this discussion topic - saving
money on shoes??
Perhaps this reflects the innate thriftiness of people who take pride
in driving 20+ year old cars with 200+ K miles.
After having major problems with two of my cars in as
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Actually, we have huge oil reserves here in the States but the oil is locked
up in oil rich shale. It takes technology and $$$ to process oil from oil
rich shale.
And natural gas. Lots of it. It's like cooking oil out of asphalt.
The problem with oil shale and tar sands
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
The big problem is all the environmentalist left wing wackos.
They'd quiet down if companies like BP didn't keep proving them right
about the environmental damage from oil extraction. Until they clean up
their act, start maintaining their pipelines and caring about
on 8/27/06 2:48 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Perhaps this reflects the innate thriftiness of people who take pride
in driving 20+ year old cars with 200+ K miles.
After having major problems with two of my cars in as many weeks I'm
having to remind myself that I *like*
on 8/27/06 2:48 PM, David Brodbeck at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
andrew strasfogel wrote:
Holy cr*p I can't believe the length of this discussion topic - saving
money on shoes??
Perhaps this reflects the innate thriftiness of people who take pride
in driving 20+ year old cars with 200+ K
Steve MacSween wrote:
Wlll, do like I do and -- even when taking a BIG hit -- try (yeah, I
know, I find it hard too) to remind yourself that even buying and installing
a used engine on most of our cars, is less than the retail sales tax on a
new Hyundai. At least here in Canada.
If the
Hello All,
Not sure if this made the list but I read in a magazine that MB was
opening the first manufacturer backed classic car center in Inrvine
CA. The center will offer sales, restoration and search assistance
for models 20 years and older. I did a google search and sure enough
I
Steve MacSween wrote:
- one customer with an old Dakota just sank $2500 into the truck over four
months, against my friend's advice (some of it shouted at the guy). An old
rusty work truck with zero resale value. Then the transport inspector pulled
him over (commercial vehicle plates, so he's
Dave typed:
After having major problems with two of my cars in as many weeks I'm
having to remind myself that I *like* old cars, even though it often
doesn't make much logical or financial sense to own them.
I like to call that the Old Car Blues and I always try to remember that no
matter how
Ralph W wrote:
Car is all over the road and tracks every little depression. The W124 comes
standard with 15 tires so I went back to the original wheels this weekend
which have
Michilin Pilot Alpine 195/65's on them. Handling of the vehicle is vastly
improved
Sure sounds like your 16's are
Sure sounds like the mechanism is gummed up or binding. I shipped my spare
monowiper to Berryman several months ago, so you better get it cleaned and
lubed before something expensive happens. I don't think you'll like the
price on a new one, but they are fairly easy to install.
Mitch in MI
Kaleb,
Thanx. The only thing I can think of is that your disabling the attatchment
scrubber allows my text body to show up. I have no idea why. Thanx again.
You shouldn't have any change at all in suspension operation with
larger diameter rim/thinner tire combinations other than considerably
rougher ride and improved steering response due to the stiffer tire
sidewalls.
If you are in fact experiencing handling changes other than above, the
offset
Use MB sunroof paste, it's a dry lubricant that won't hold dust.
Grease any other sort will result in binding eventually.
The W123 and W124 sunroof systems are similar except that the W124 has
the lift feature. Main failure mode is fracture of the lift angles
that the body panel is bolted
Ralph W wrote:
I'll give it a shot. I'm sure it needs to be done regardless of my issue.
Any idea if any of this is in the service manual? I couldn't find any
reference to wiper motor.
REmove the covers and lubricate the gears, track, and sliding pin with
good synthetic grease before the
http://columbus.craigslist.org/pts/199224076.html
How much would a new/rebuilt rear end cost? Or might the problem be
something else entirely?
--
Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474
What Bob said.
Harry Watkins
- Original Message -
From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave typed:
After having major problems with two of my cars in as many weeks I'm
having to remind myself that I *like* old cars, even though it often
doesn't make much logical or financial
Zeitgeist wrote:
What I can't figure out is how MB gets away with installing these big
rims/low profile tires on their new cars. Mine came off of an '06 C230.
You can put any width tire/wheel you want on the car and the steering
neutrality won't change as long as the circumference is the
I'm ready to put my $700 from the sale of the 300CD into another car. I put
an ad out there for a cheap fixer, and I've got options. The first is a
Manny tranny 1974 240D with crank windows (imagine that!) that runs and
looks good, starts dependably and has no issues other than a dying
I can be convinced to play with paint as well. Need to clay the e300d
with 10 year old paint. she wants to repaint. I think $40 of clay and
elbow grease is a better investment
On Aug 24, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:
I thought Automotive Clay did things like own Gumps and
You are almost correct. We are building a huge refinery in China that will
supply the west coast with gas and diesel.
And why are we building it in China?? Because all of the tree huggers on
the left coast screamed Not in my back yard!! when we tried to
build one in the States!
I
That accounts for the problem -- you have 1/2 outside offset. You
will need correct offset wheels, and MB changed the offset between the
models.
Peter
As we tree-huggers say: The SUV is an indicator species...a specious
species. It's an indicator of our overall indifference to the obvious over
consumption of said commodity.
On 8/27/06, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I disagree. The SUVs may be burning a lot of fuel but its our
Probably not, we'll just adjust and move on as we always have. I've been
around long enough to remember sub $0.30 gas prices and the panics during
the short term gas crises in the 70's. Back then, the major auto makers were
producing cars that got 9 - 14 MPG in the city and the gas crunch resulted
The experts are comparing total cost of ownership and they are factoring in
city driving. You are better off purchasing a 4 cylincer conventional
vehicle because the total cost of ownership is much lower. The difference
offsets the savings until you reach the 10 year mark, assuming you drive
Sunil Hari wrote:
How much would a new/rebuilt rear end cost? Or might the problem be
something else entirely?
Nobody buys new or rebuilt diffs for a 240D, the cars don't make
enough power to put any stress on them, so used ones abound.
If both back wheels are locked, it's either brakes or
So is ordering a T bone steak at a restaurant or going out on a Saturday
night drive or renting a tux for an important social event. My point is that
there will always be conspicuous consumers in our culture and most of us
fall into and out of the roll, even tree huggers.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
Isn't a 7mm difference closer to 1/4 or am I missing something?
Ralph W.
'83 300CD '82 300TD
'90 300D '01 E320 Wagon
- Original Message -
From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 6:15 PM
Subject:
The current hybrids are a joke unless you live in a big city and do all
your driving on side streets, an old MB diesel gets better mileage on
the highway than a Prius.
and they aren't built to last. The honda hybrids get lousy mileage on
the highway and have the lifespan of a fruitfly ( I have
That is how the mail is delivered to you from the list, it has nothing
to do with what formatting you are using to sent messages to the list.
Glenn M. Brown wrote:
This is yet another test to see if the text body of a post shows up, thanx.
___
I dont see how that prevents more refineries from being built, or more
oil exploration going on, especially off the coast of florida.
Zeitgeist wrote:
Or, more accurately, it's all the rightwing [EMAIL PROTECTED] dragging their
obese
asses along in their fullsize Ford Valdez SUVs with W'04
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