Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

2006-08-30 Thread Mitch Haley
John M McIntosh wrote: People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete barrier at 70 mph I think what the I want something bigger folks are thinking of is getting hit by a 7,000lb truck with greenhouse high bumpers.

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-08-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
There are no seals in the turbo like you thinking. They dont dry up and leak from sitting. What happens is you suck something in and the fins get damaged, and cause the shaft to then be imbalanced, which wears things out. Luther Gulseth wrote: seals start to go bad after they haven't

Re: [MBZ] mirror glass removal

2006-08-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yes, the glass just pops right out. Pry it out from the outer edge. 2 second job. Jerry Herrman wrote: The glass is broken on the driver side mirror on my 82 240D (123 body style). I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without removing the mirror housing. Is this true? Has

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

2006-08-30 Thread J.B. Hebert
At 04:54 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:27:30AM -0400, J.B. Hebert wrote: I am preparing to RR the suspension on my '95 E300D, and the only tool I think I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. Does anyone have any experience with the Sir Tools version?

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

2006-08-30 Thread RELNGSON
People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete barrier at 70 mph (mind they admit the impact would have killed everyone (normally expected) before mocking the safety features. I have seen the video of a Smart vs a

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

2006-08-30 Thread dave walton
A loaded semi is more along the lines of 34,000 - 100,000 lbs depending on the number of axles. I don't think it really maters what you are driving at that point. -Dave Walton 87SDL, 94S350, 99E300 On 8/29/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John M McIntosh wrote: People mutter about

Re: [MBZ] diesel electric/gas electric

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don
Very cool. It didn't last long though -- hopefully the next iteration will. On 8/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hardly a new concept: http://www.autohistory.org/feature_6.html Or just Google Lohner-Porsche -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don
Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be a low oil level issue? So there could be at least two causes --- On 8/29/06, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 01:00:54PM -0500, Harry Watkins wrote: With leaking delivery valves, a low fuel tank level

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list)

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don
I have read about several that have been hacked to provide external charging - On 8/29/06, Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of the current breed of Hybrids have any external battery charging capabilities. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing...

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

2006-08-30 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that dave wrote: On 8/29/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John M McIntosh wrote: People mutter about safety, but they should see the videos of them smacking e-classes, or the video of it hitting a concrete barrier at 70 mph I think what the I want something

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread Marshall Booth
OK Don wrote: Wasn't the first instance of not starting on a slope determined to be a low oil level issue? So there could be at least two causes --- Oil has NOTHING to do with it! It's all a matter of air getting into the fuel system and allowing the fuel to flow back toward the tank.

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:42:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In looking through the papers that came with my 1985 300D I found the original window invoice. It lists optional equipment, one of which is item 551, a Anti-Theft Alarm System. The cost was

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-08-30 Thread Luther Gulseth
So explain why the intake manifold was coated in FRESH oil when I removed the original turbo. How does the oil get from the sloppy valve guides through a fairly dry air filter housing to the dry turbo intake? Might I have just gotten back to back bad turbos? On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:33:19

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-08-30 Thread Luther Gulseth
should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good? On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:57:44 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are no seals in the turbo like you thinking. They dont dry up and leak from sitting. What happens is you suck something in and the fins get

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

2006-08-30 Thread Loren Faeth
So you will deliver it when you are a goner and give me $4k (8 times $500) H... Ok, I will wait till you are a goner! At 04:32 PM 8/29/2006, you wrote: On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:20:38PM -0500, Loren Faeth wrote: I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500. You can try

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-08-30 Thread David Brodbeck
Luther Gulseth wrote: should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good? It's a hydrodynamic bearing, so without oil pressure it's not going to behave like it does in use. I've heard some axial (in-and-out) play is normal, but sideways play should be minimal.

Re: [MBZ] Short??

2006-08-30 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Having spend half the day helping a friend with alternator troubles I would not rule out a malfunctioning altternator. It may be putting out less than what it is supposed too, easy to take out and have an auto sparky test. Cough cough...clearing the throat for my solo number

Re: [MBZ] Flickering brake lining light

2006-08-30 Thread Hendrik Riessen
In the Mercedes maintenance world usally the wheel bearings are cleaned, inspected and if serviceable repacked with fresh grease when the rotors are replaced/machined. There is a method to the madness, then again if you are one those people that believes in reactive maintenance perhaps a

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

2006-08-30 Thread Hendrik Riessen
Yes well but I would rather be in a Smart than some of these cheap Asian cardboxes on wheels. The human body can withstand a lot of G's but being crushed by cheap metal it cannot. On an unrelated safety note, while fixing the central locking in my 85 201 I noticed that it is fitted with seat

Re: [MBZ] see diesel models

2006-08-30 Thread Mitch Haley
dave walton wrote: A loaded semi is more along the lines of 34,000 - 100,000 lbs depending on the number of axles. I don't think it really maters what you are driving at that point. When I mentioned 7,000lb trucks, I was talking about modern everyday commuter vehicles. (although most don't

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

2006-08-30 Thread dave walton
Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the roof of a car, wouldn't you have to leave it parked in full sun for about a month just to drive it a few miles? -Dave Walton On 8/29/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rapeseed is the predecessor name fro Canola

Re: [MBZ] Short??

2006-08-30 Thread Potter, Tom E
Did you properly seat (bed) the brake pads when you installed them? This is an important procedure that is often overlooked. It is more important for some types of pads than others. http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=85 Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodieselrelavent to this list)

2006-08-30 Thread Potter, Tom E
How does one jump (start) one of these little hermaphrodites? Tom Potter -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Desert Rat Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 4:57 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little

Re: [MBZ] No start with SDL parked nose up

2006-08-30 Thread OK Don
In this case, yes - but I thought (could be wrong again -- ) that if the oil level sensor think's you're too low, it prevents the starter from turning on. ? If so, when you're marginally low, and parked at the wrong angle, it could prevent the car from starting. On 8/29/06, Marshall Booth

Re: [MBZ] A little question on biodiesel relavent to this list

2006-08-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
The idea is for the solar cells to continuously recharge the batteries while driving. This would extend the length of time the car can run on battery power. On 8/30/06, dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Given the output of current solar cells and the area available on the roof of a car,

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
The 123 doesnt have an electric vacuum pump. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:42:46 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In looking through the papers that came with my 1985 300D I found the original window invoice. It lists optional

Re: [MBZ] '82 300 CD excessive oil usage-update

2006-08-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yea there will be a little bit of play, the play goes away when the oil is pressurized, the shaft rides on a film of oil. If there is alot of play, thats a different story. Luther Gulseth wrote: should there be any play in the turbo shaft when it's good? On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:57:44 -0500,

[MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

2006-08-30 Thread Donald Snook
Curt wrote: Interestingly I find that lawyers rarely drive 'em. ALL the lawers I know (6 right now, met another yesterday) drive Audi. Most of the MALE IT people I know drive pickup trucks. One guy I work with has a Dodge 2500 v10. The bed is pristine, never hauled anything. Well

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

2006-08-30 Thread dave walton
You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. Kansas City Law I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could host it? -Dave Walton On 8/30/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt wrote:

Re: [MBZ] Short??

2006-08-30 Thread BillR
Barry hit this one on the head. Turned out that the bolt holding the battery ground was cross threaded and would not tighten properly. Tap and a new bolt plus a through cleaning took care of that [at my nephew's shop] and most electrical problems seem to have disappeared. Oil pressure still

Re: [MBZ] Short??

2006-08-30 Thread dave walton
Kinda useless for the most part. 400 to 500 miles of moderate driving is fine, but if I need to use heavy braking - I wont have much of a choice in the matter. -Dave Walton On 8/30/06, Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you properly seat (bed) the brake pads when you installed them?

Re: [MBZ] OT hybrids (was: Re: A little question on biodieselrelavent to this list)

2006-08-30 Thread Frederick Moir
Verry Carefully! Fred Moir Lynn MA Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How does one jump (start) one of these little hermaphrodites? Tom Potter - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL

[MBZ] new webmail check

2006-08-30 Thread Luther
is this plain text or attached? Luther

Re: [MBZ] new webmail check

2006-08-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
text Luther wrote: is this plain text or attached? Luther ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread Alan Duff
I just drove the 85 300D home yesterday as the temp gauge went quickly to red hot but I didn't think the engine was getting hot. Put in a replacement gauge yesterday and the temp is fine. Turns out I got it from the original owner, he purchased it in Delaware and brought it to East Tenn when

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

2006-08-30 Thread Jim Cathey
On an unrelated safety note, while fixing the central locking in my 85 201 I noticed that it is fitted with seat belt force pre tensioners, wonder wether they still work? One sure way to find out! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 heater core?

2006-08-30 Thread Jim Cathey
I'll take the car as is if you deliver and give me $500. You can try prying it out of my cold dead hands for eight times that. Everybody note: this is the response _before_ doing the job! -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] mirror glass removal

2006-08-30 Thread Jim Cathey
I have been told that I can replace the glass mirror without removing the mirror housing. Absolutely. The job is either trivial or merely easy, depending on whether or not you have heated mirrors. (I think.) Some glass, the heated kind I thought, is retained by a circular metal spring clip

Re: [MBZ] Sir Tools subframe bushing tool opinions?

2006-08-30 Thread Jim Cathey
tool I am missing to do the job is a sub frame bushing tool. I believe that you can do this job with big washers and spacers, but with more fooling around. I did it on my wife's SL that way. -- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

2006-08-30 Thread Donald Snook
Dave Walton wrote: You have the makings of the next great reality TV show. Kansas City Law I bet your company picnics could evolve into a WWF style free-for-all with a little creative prodding. Maybe O.J. Simpson could host it? The firm picnics/bar-b-Q/barn parties are always fun and

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

2006-08-30 Thread dave walton
I want to be on your team! I had been attending Oberlin for over a year before I realized they had a football team. They were rather proud of their record - not a single win in 5 years. -Dave Walton On 8/30/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Walton wrote: You have the makings

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

2006-08-30 Thread Loren Faeth
My uncle played softball in Hilo, HI for years. They always had coolers full of beer. After he got too old to play, they made him in charge of the coolers, to be sure there was always ice and beeah! They never seemed to care what the score was, or who won or lost, they were out to have fun!

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel relavent to this

2006-08-30 Thread Zeitgeist
I've just got one question for you; What's the matter with Kansas? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_the_Matter_with_Kansas On 8/30/06, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are in Kansas - a solidly republican state, yet we have 7 democrats and only one big truck . Casey Olympia,

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:23:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where is the vacuum pump located? That is probably the first place to look for the alarm problem. Allan, I assumed you had an electric vacuum pump as most all MB from about 82 on have

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread Desert Rat
I think the W123 did not have an electric vac pump, only started with the W126 (in the trunk) and the W124 (under the rear seat). On 8/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 8/30/2006 8:23:15 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where is the

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread Alan Duff
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Alan, I assumed you had an electric vacuum pump as most all MB from about 82 on have them. Kaleb says no and he has a bunch of them. It is a mechanical pump in the same place as all the other 123's I have had. Alan

Re: [MBZ] 123 Alarm System/electric vacuum pump question

2006-08-30 Thread Jim Cathey
I think the W123 did not have an electric vac pump, only started with the W126 (in the trunk) and the W124 (under the rear seat). No electrics in 123 to my knowledge. The only car that I know of to have both electric and non-electric vacuum systems was the 107. So 114/115, 116, 107, and 123 go

[MBZ] Fuel Tank Anatomy

2006-08-30 Thread ned kleinhenz
My '95 E300D starts and runs for 15 to 30 seconds, then stalls. I suspect algae or other debris in the fuel tank. To remove and clean the screen inside the fuel tank of a 124 - Do I have to remove the tank? Or can screen be removed from under the car? How is it attached? These things are not

Re: [MBZ] Fuel Tank Anatomy

2006-08-30 Thread Harry Watkins
Ned If its like my SDL it has a plastic pre filter. Replace or bypass that for a test drive. Harry Watkins Newton, MS 86 SDL Silver 85 300D Euro 86 SDL Gold 81 240D manual trans - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz [EMAIL PROTECTED] My '95 E300D starts and runs for 15 to 30

Re: [MBZ] Short??

2006-08-30 Thread Hendrik Riessen
I just bought the car, so I did not install the pads/rotors. Anyway not the end of the world, just one of lifes little annoyances. Thanks for the link and I might give the brakes a bit of a work out to see if it helps. - Original Message - From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [MBZ] Smart, I guess

2006-08-30 Thread Hendrik Riessen
What, drive it into a wall? Seriously I am interested to know how they function, are there sensors which detect the crumple zone crumpling or is there a sensor in the seat belt mechanism which can tell when an emergencey situation exists? - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel

2006-08-30 Thread archer
- Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Lawyers and Cars, was: Re: A little question on biodiesel I want to be on your team! I had been attending Oberlin

[MBZ] 300SD 2-3 shift flare fixed with K-1 spring kit

2006-08-30 Thread Kris Gilmore
My 83 300SD has been inclined to over speed when shifting from second to third under light load when not fully warmed up. It has done this since I got it about 30,000 miles ago. I have messed with the modulator adjustment and tried switching to Mobil 1 ATF. Both these actions helped