On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've seen OCEANIA when doing Linux installs (for timezone) and always
wondered what that meant.
Shame on you then for not having read 1984.
Alex
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There is nothing reputable about Adsit, IMHO. Steer
very clear of them.
Dan
--- andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed
have a bad engine.
:((I was thinking of taking the drive train from
my decent running 1983
rusty 300TD, but
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I suspect that it would not be such a good idea to burn off our own oil
reserves.
Funny, I used to use a firewood analogy to illustrate dependence on
foreign oil. If you can burn your trees or buy your neighbor's trees,
do you become more or less dependent on his trees
Not really, Zedic's team has so much silverware it's just another one
to toss on the pilehow did Chelsea do? ;-) Real shame when they
lost to Barnsley.
Zedic
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How rusty is the good running wagon?
Is it just looking not so perfect, or does it have holes in the rockers/wheel
wells/floors?
Wouldn't you rather have the drivetrain you've come to know and trust?
I think giving the rust free car a heart transplant from your known
car is better than selling
If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we were
told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%} the it
would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
More trickery and deception?
Pete, my primary concern is heating oil
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If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we
were told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%}
the it would become viable to use our VAST supplies of oil shale.
That depends. How much energy does it take to extract
No, but the increased price profit did lead to more exploration new
sources for oil. We will eventually use oil shale when the cost gets high
enough to justify processing oil shale.
Processing oil sand has become economical because of price and as a result,
we are importing a lot of oil from
As I said, we were told at the time that it would be economically viable when
the price of crude went up some magic figure, I THINK it was 25%.
Pete
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If my old memory
What about other sources for a rebuilt?
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How rusty is the good running wagon?
Is it just looking not so perfect, or does it have holes in the
rockers/wheel
wells/floors?
Wouldn't you rather have the drivetrain you've come
Let's hope this article is wrong.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx
Donald H. Snook
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Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people
won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price.
Allan
Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Let's hope this article is wrong.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx
i've already given up my driving practices. i don't leave my neighborhood
anymore.
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If people
won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price.
something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years, oil is
cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no oil
and fuel suddenly triples in price. how is it possible that the whole
universe did not know about any oil shortage until one day out of the blue?
we
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Forgive me Lord, but I think I've decided to park my 240D in favor of
driving my turbo-diesel VW. This is somewhat the result of my seeing diesel
prices in my small town hit $4.55 per gallon.
What happened to the 190D?
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And, if/when oil companies are allowed to increase domestic
production, there will be a lot of good jobs and other economic growth
in related supporting business created from that, funded by the
obscene profits that are currently being raked in.
If we prohibit oil companies from making a profit,
The wastegate may be partially open. Does it have the ARV? If so this
may be faulted as well.
-Rolf
OK Don wrote:
The '90 that I bought from you still smokes, though less so after I
de-adjusted (backed off) the ALDA. It has something wrong in the
turbo control stuff - too much lag. the '92
His analysis is flawed because it's based on an extension of the current
supply demand.
As prices go up, non-fuel use will drop as manufacturers find alternate
materials for their products. Also, more sources will be exploited as the
production costs become viable (oil shale, for example). And
I will buy the old head from you. If you want a good engine and don't
care about $ as much go with Metric Motors. 85 is the same as the
others, the SLS head is what makes it special. With a shortblock you
will be reusing the old head.
-Rolf
andrew strasfogel wrote:
As feared, my new rust free
Rolf wrote:
85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special.
85 crank is special too. larger centering hole for the torque converter.
You can put a 84 TQ on a 85 crank, but it won't be self-centering.
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I remember stating that I would not drive if gas ever crossed $1.50 /
gallon! But I also drove a 1972 Olds 98 that got 14 MPG in town if I were
careful. But I liked playing with the car 12 MPG was more normal for me.
$1.50 / 12 MPG comes to a whopping $0.107 / mile.
My 6 cylinder Jeep Grand
No, we will go down hill!
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price!
And, if/when oil
John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
http://gas2.org/2008/05/21/clean-diesel-cars-coming-to-us-this-fall-2008-2010-timeline/
I only hope that the current $0.60 - $0.70 per gallon premium for diesel
does not kill the demand for these.
Allan
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The pilot bearing is different in the 85, requiring you to use a 85
transmission for the parts to fit right.
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Allan wrote: Would you continue your current driving habits at $12/gallon? If
people won't pay that much for gas, the market won't support that price.
I will NOT continue my driving habits at $12/gallon. I will car pool with some
of the others at work, or I will drop my wife off at work, or I
We knew that cheap oil was running out, we chose to ignore the message.
Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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IF the head on the trashed engine is good, then buy a short
block. If the head has more than a couple of small cracks, i'd be
inclined to buy a long block if it is not too pricey. Last I knew MB
only supplied short blocks. Do check prices from several MB dealers
who cater to MBCA. Often
I remember the same promise. The source was looked at in the early 70s and
at the time the assumption was made that a 25% increase in oil prices would
be enough to cover production. Then the true cost was discovered the price
of oil actually dropped as new conventional sources were brought on
and all teh markets ignored the message for years and then one day woke up
saying hey, there's a china out there!
it's silly to me.
btw, why the hell doesn't VW offer that little wagon/suv in diesel to the
usa?
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We knew
Gary wrote: something is so ridiculous about this whole oil thing. for years,
oil is cheap and plentiful and the suddenly we are told woops, there is no
oil and fuel suddenly triples in price.
That is a myth that the prices are because there is a shortage of oil. The
huge increase in the
Gene came to Jefferson on Sunday and pulled the starter (core). He found a
rebuilt one on eBay. Think he is going to install the new starter as soon as
he can and then take the 190D back to Des Moines. It is definitely his best
MPG option, since his other vehicles are two pickups and a large
I'm hopefully going to be in Pensacola for business the week of June
2nd... Anybody want to meet up for dinner or something?
Also, if anybody has any good hotel recommendations I'd appreciate those. :)
Thanks!
John
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Tom H. wrote: His analysis is flawed because it's based on an extension of the
current supply demand.
Here's an article that says that gas/oil may be going down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2008/05/22/ccoil122.xml
Donald H. Snook
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room
as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be
(in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station.
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:41 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm
Wonko the Sane wrote:
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room
as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be
(in 1981) lots of cheaper places close to the Naval Air Station.
Work is paying for it, and they don't have a problem
Are we forgetting that in the last 10 years or so, everyone's been buying
those big SUV's and Minivans that get 10-15 MPG instead of smaller, more
efficient vehicles?
Prices are up because of demand. If we conserve and demand drops, I'm sure
prices will follow.hopefully.
That's not to say
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/mississippi-sta.html
http://domesticfuel.com/2008/05/21/bulldogs-biodiesel-dominate-challenge-x/
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/05/challenge_x_cro_1.html
I wasn't in the competition, but I work closely with the folks who are
and they definitely
I think it can also be a problem if the car is hit while parked. Don't know if
having the parking brake set will
save it but if the parking brake works well, it may.
Randy
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ANGELO GIAIMO wrote:
Also, if crude is traded in dollars, and we've devalued our currency, how
much has cude gone up just due to that?
Well, not too many years ago a euro was 80 cents. Now it's $1.57.
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I think the issue is not so much the price of oil but how fast it has increased.
I am 56 years old and have lived my whole life in Canada so the numbers I am
going to quote relate to my
experience. Bear with me.
I remember paying (and complaining about) $0.57 for an imperial gallon of
regular
John Robbins wrote:
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2008/05/mississippi-sta.html
Would you buy production versions of any of these vehicles? When fuel spikes
north of $6 a gallon, these Challenge X science projects will look mighty
tempting.
Nope, I'll be less interested in huge $60,000 30mpg
holy crap
explain to me again how there is no inflation?
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
ANGELO GIAIMO wrote:
Also, if crude is traded in dollars, and we've devalued our currency, how
much has cude gone up just due to that?
Well, not too many years
I filled up today. Was $1.27 per litre for regular. I take the premium
stuff.
Ed
300E
2008/5/22 R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I think the issue is not so much the price of oil but how fast it has
increased.
I am 56 years old and have lived my whole life in Canada so the numbers I
am
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Would you buy production versions of any of these vehicles? When fuel spikes
north of $6 a gallon, these Challenge X science projects will look mighty
tempting.
Nope, I'll be less interested in huge $60,000 30mpg passenger trucks
with $6 fuel than I
your dates don't seem to work on this story
maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out
2008/5/21 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Last I checked it was higher than here.
Carter put price control in place in the 70s. Oil companies were only
allowed to charge X
the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we
go back to riding bicycles.
now that is irony, no?
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the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we
go back to riding bicycles.
now that is irony, no?
LOL is that what we get for outsourcing everything to China?
Allan
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On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we
go back to riding bicycles.
now that is irony, no?
Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic
miracle is the fact that those
I haven't forgotten about the RRBV's (so called SUV's); I've been fussing
about 'em for years!
Wilton
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your dates don't seem to work on this story
maybe if you said johnson or nixon instead of carter, it could work out
Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or Raygun.
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(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rarely mentioned in the news stories of China's supposed economic
miracle is the fact that those luxury cars and the gas to run
The 1973 oil crisis began on October 17, 1973, when the members of
Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries (OAPEC, consisting of the
Arab members of OPEC plus Egypt and Syria) announced, as a result of the
ongoing Yom Kippur War, that they would no longer ship oil to nations that
had
Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Who gave us the phrase windfall profits tax? I'm thinking Carter or
Raygun.
Good history at http://tinyurl.com/yqlltw
...Ultimately, however, it fell to President Jimmy Carter to make the
bargain stick. In April 1979 he introduced plans to lift price
Hi all.
Try reading this article by Cal Thomas, who puts it pretty
plainly. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26479
We are today paying for the mistakes of yesteryears. Policies have
been driven by small advocate groups. Note that Hurricane Katrina
did NOT cause any
I would think the hole is smaller not larger as the bearing required
some trimming for the manual swap?
-Rolf
Mitch Haley wrote:
Rolf wrote:
85 is the same as the others, the SLS head is what makes it special.
85 crank is special too. larger centering hole for the torque converter.
If my mechanic does the work what would be his extra labor to do the short
block vs. engine replacement? How can he tell whether the head is still
good?
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Rolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would think the hole is smaller not larger as the bearing required
some
Sort of sounds like the building of America doesn't it?
Randy
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andrew strasfogel wrote:
If my mechanic does the work what would be his extra labor to do the short
block vs. engine replacement?
Probably no more than his charge to remove the replacement engine from
your old car. If you're paying labor it gets expensive in a hurry
no matter which way you
Go to: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90142714
and click on Listen Now Goes back to the Carter
administration.. Very good explanation
Take care,
Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On May 22, 2008, at 10:35 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Gary Hurst wrote:
your dates don't seem
I paid $1.329 in Sioux Narrows (at the lake) for a can of gas for the boat. I
used to think that a carry one boat
fuel tank cost about $20 with the oil. Now it is about $30. Good thing I don't
have any big outboard motors. I
don't know if I could feed a 125HP. (Yeah, I know that is not big
If you are satisfied that the engine in your existing car is good, then just
swap it and send the rusty body to the
great beyond. Save any other parts that might be useful and be done with it.
You may not be any better off with a rebuilt engine and it won't be any less
expensive. Swapping the
Ha ha! Neither is engineering, where in a situation like this there
are so many things that all interact.
I suspect that's why the Nomad never went into production -- it was
fabulously efficient, but only when it actually worked
Peter
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Well, I read on MSNBC today that an oil industry analyst expects
Mexico, currently our second largest oil supplier, to be importing
oil within five years, maybe sooner depending on when the Gulf fields
stop producing. There is essentially no really recoverable oil left
un-tapped in the US
The stunningly intelligent and well-spoken Maxine Waters from
Collyfornya suggested today that the gummint nationalize (though she
could not come up with that word in her extremely erudite
questioning/commenting) the oil companies if they keep making money, or
gas prices stay high, or oil
We are burning oil from oil shale, as fast as they can dig it up in
Canda. Horrible environmental mess and it takes several barrels of
oil to produce one barrel from the shale
Peter
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Horrible environmental mess and it takes several barrels of oil to
produce one barrel from the shale
Seems to me like they should stop getting oil from there then.
John
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You know what else is funny? Or maybe ironic, I don't know. I was
listening to the NPR reports from the Chinese earthquake area, they were
talking to someone who was buying a tent. Tents are in real short
supply in China so they say. Anyway, this person paid the equivalent of
$130 for a
Peter Frederick wrote:
What has happened is that the easy oil is pretty much gone -- no
more drilling a hole and having it geyser out at you.
This is also why Dubai has gone crazy. They know their oil revenue is
about up so they are using the money they made to start a tourism based
Here is a MUST VISIT place (even if you order a Pepsi).
http://www.mcguiresirishpub.com/
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a
room
as close as possible to the
So I finally got my 100 gallon tank installed in the back of my truck.
Diesel just went up to like 4.49 everywhere around here. The walmart
in town is still at 4.29. So, I think its a good time to fill the tank
before they go up. I get there, and there are 2 large school buses
filling up, 3
It is $4.63 in Jefferson IA.
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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So I finally got my 100 gallon tank installed in the back of my truck.
Diesel just went up to like 4.49 everywhere around here. The walmart
in town is still at 4.29. So, I think its a
There was a place on Orange beach, which is technically Alabama that
was reasonable, and well situated near a beach park, and block or so
away from a nice seafood restaurant. It was operated by Brett
Robinson Real estate. Call them and ask about their hotel on the
beach. It was really a 1
You've got it right. And as a result of price controls and later taxes
on production, oil production declined in this country and increased
elsewhere, leding to our dependence on foreign oil.
Thanks, Tom
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yea, crude ended at 133 today. Holy crap. There is another 20 cents
right there.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
And its going up.
Thanks, Tom
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that and the fact that the middle east is just about out of oil.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
There are only a few companies refining oil in the states and supply is so
close to demand that it really does not matter who you are buying from. It
all goes into the same pipelines comes out the other end.
When you do, find the USCG part with the HU-16E and the HH-3F. My butt has
been in both of these very same airframes they have there (up in the air,
not as part of the static display). I sat in the H3 when we visited
the museum and started to cry -- Debbie didn't understand but I explained
If you want oil to stand a chance of going down, the tree hugging
environmentalist wackos need to back off and let us drill our own oil in
ANWR, off the cost of florida and california, and other places. Its
just insane we have oil we cant get. No, that will not solve the long
term problem
Oil companies are making about 4% profit. That aint much folks. There
is a big different between a profit and a profit margin. Many people
dont seem to understand the difference.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
36 Billion out of how much total cash flow?
Compare them to other profitable businesses
On Thu, 22 May 2008 19:53:33 -0500 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It is $4.63 in Jefferson IA.
It's $4.649 in Los Alamos, NM.
Craig
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Loren Faeth wrote:
The problem is not the oil companies, although I agree with Mitch
about compensation. As Pogo said, the enemy is us.
When are we going to wake up (as Americans) and throw out the current
pols and elect some that will allow us to drill our own oil, pump our
own
That brings up another point. All these people bitching about oil
companies making all this money. Who do you think owns these oil
companies? Stockholders. WHo do you think these stockholders are? Me,
you, anybody who has a retirement account, investment account, pension
plan etc.
by then hopefully we have moved on and developed alternatives and dont
need to burn oil, or as much oil anymore.
Tom Hargrave wrote:
Reminds me of a friend who has about 20 acres of woods outside of Morgan
City, AL. He heats with wood would only burn dead wood off his lot. Any
additional
you sold it way too cheap
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He gets it tomorrow but I already miss it. I feel like I'm losing a friend.
its silver/blu w/blu int 177k everything works but AC and cond is good. It
has
all receipts since new and window sticker. Is $3300 fair?
your best bet would be to put the engine in from the rusty wagon. Its
value is in the engine.
andrew strasfogel wrote:
As feared, my new rust free 1983 wagon does indeed have a bad engine.
:((I was thinking of taking the drive train from my decent running 1983
rusty 300TD, but this seems
well we sure as heck are not in control of that oil
Mitch Haley wrote:
Tom Hargrave wrote:
I suspect that it would not be such a good idea to burn off our own oil
reserves.
Funny, I used to use a firewood analogy to illustrate dependence on
foreign oil. If you can burn your trees or
Someone on the list asked to be remembered to a staff person at O'Steens, but I
have slept since then. My Darling wife and I are planning on having dinner
there tomorrow night, so whoever it was I'll be happy to pass along greetings
if you will repeat them.
BillR
Jacksonville FL, but currently
http://www.uscg.mil/d1/Units/gruwh/stachatham/CGHelo1432.htm
I was navigator in the first plane on-scene and found the wreckage on radar,
and vectored our plane in. Snowing too heavy to see anything w/out radar. I
walked the pilot in to under one mile (using radar) before we could see the
helo --
Uh, Kaleb. You could have bought a whole, running MB for that!
At 08:47 PM 5/22/2008, you wrote:
450+ later, and Im set.
Loren Faeth
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Its been at that point for a while now. BUT, you got the liberal
envirnomentalists who dont want us to produce that
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If my old memory serves, during the energy crisis of the early 70's, we were
told that if the price of oil went up by some magic figure {Maybe 25%} the
its probably not
Donald Snook wrote:
Let's hope this article is wrong.
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080521145247.aspx
Donald H. Snook
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If the price goes back down, we'll be back into blind complacency and
nothing new will be developed. We won't change without prolonged pain
- it's human nature.
No, that will not solve the long
term problem but it will at least help now until we can get alternatives
in place.
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OK Don,
No, 85 is different than 81-84.
Rolf wrote:
I will buy the old head from you. If you want a good engine and don't
care about $ as much go with Metric Motors. 85 is the same as the
others, the SLS head is what makes it special. With a shortblock you
will be reusing the old head.
-Rolf
Also, the Blue Angels practice at the Air Station on Tuesday and Wednesday
at 8:30 am. I was there about 6 weeks ago and went both days. Convince the
boss to have the meeting at the museum.
Steve
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Im fixing to start driving my 190D soon. Not my favorite but the way
things are I need it
Wonko the Sane wrote:
Gene came to Jefferson on Sunday and pulled the starter (core). He found a
rebuilt one on eBay. Think he is going to install the new starter as soon as
he can and then take the 190D
Perhaps I was not paying attention, but what sort of work are you in?
John Robbins wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a room
as close as possible to the water. If you are on a budget, there used to be
(in 1981) lots of cheaper
AS I have said before, China is going from bicycles to cars, we are
going from cars to bicycles. And yes,t hey are buying alot of those big
luxery cars and suvs
Gary Hurst wrote:
the streets of shanghai are crowded with gas guzzling luxury iron while we
go back to riding bicycles.
now
computer engineering
On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Perhaps I was not paying attention, but what sort of work are you in?
John Robbins wrote:
Wonko the Sane wrote:
The beach is very nice there, so if possible spend the money and get a
room
Yep, you have these foreign countries that are going to drill in the
gulf. We cant drill 40 or whatever miles of the coast, but these people
are drilling, what 45-50 miles off the coast, getting our oil. When
are these people going to wake up?
Chuck Landenberger wrote:
Hi all.
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