Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
Luther, I like it! So you found a seller trying to get rid of whole car, and made an offer? How much did you pay? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 5:32:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix What about finding someone with a 603rodbender and offering to purchase their #22 head? This is what I did on eBay for my SDL. Came with injectors and chambers. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 3/4/2011 10:17 AM, Rolf wrote: Yes, remember that new #22 head is really going to cost upwards of $4k when you throw in valves etc. Reman #17 or better is the way to go. Personally, just start with the headgasket and have the head inspected and work from there. While the head is off you can hand lap the valves as well if everything checks out OK. I compared the 606 to the 603 hg last night, the 606 def seems to be of different material. The Finns say its copper but without one in hand -Rolf. On 03/04/2011 10:24 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Yes, that is a consideration. I've put a lot of time and $ into this car and I certainly would be happy to keep driving it for another five or ten years. I'd really like to find a used head with #17 or later casting and keep the ~$1500 difference in my pocket. -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:26:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: I just received the lab results from the latest engine oil sample: Sodium jumped from 5 ppm to 115 ppm, which the lab tech interpreted as Coolant additives are present. The car does require infrequent topping off of the coolant, so it looks as if pulling the head to replace the head gasket is now the plan... Ouch. If budget permits, and you intend to keep the car indefinitely, I strongly recommend that, rather than a used one, you buy a nice new #21 head, or whatever is the latest iteration with all the bugs fixed, and have the peace of mind that you'll never have to do it again. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
It is a lifter, starved of oil due to failed head gasket. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:53:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix I have had cars with that sound, so the fins are saying that a bad head gasket can cause that? I always just thought it was a lifter. On 3/4/2011 6:42 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Alex, have you watched the videos from the link that Rolf posted? The first has noise exactly like my car. https://picasaweb.google.com/olefejer/W124300TurboDieselUdskiftToppKning# -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My '87 300TD has a valve tick that I want to fix. Max, is there any way you can post an audio file to the list? My 603 car has occasionally made clicky noises that seem to be coming from the vicinity of the valve cover, and I always wonder if they qualify as valve tick (of course they never happen when my indy or anyone else is around to hear). It would be nice to hear someone else's engine for corroboration. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
If your 140 rodbender dies again I'll buy the head for $500 if its a good head. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:53:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix I have had cars with that sound, so the fins are saying that a bad head gasket can cause that? I always just thought it was a lifter. On 3/4/2011 6:42 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Alex, have you watched the videos from the link that Rolf posted? The first has noise exactly like my car. https://picasaweb.google.com/olefejer/W124300TurboDieselUdskiftToppKning# -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My '87 300TD has a valve tick that I want to fix. Max, is there any way you can post an audio file to the list? My 603 car has occasionally made clicky noises that seem to be coming from the vicinity of the valve cover, and I always wonder if they qualify as valve tick (of course they never happen when my indy or anyone else is around to hear). It would be nice to hear someone else's engine for corroboration. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
degco...@cox.net wrote: We need to find a propane fired fry kettle. The best sales on propane turkey fryers are right after Thanksgiving, or watch the yard sales in the spring. Most of them will hold 4-5 gallons of oil and 1-2 gallons of turkey. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI
Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2247755027.html $15,000? Is a W136 170S worth as much as a W186 300 Adenauer? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI
I don't know what it is worth, but here is another one no asking price listed. No affiliation, etc. http://newyork.craigslist.org/fct/cto/2248858454.html 1951 Mercedes (Milford, Ct.) Date: 2011-03-05, 1:55PM EST Reply to: sale-ujgtc-2248858...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] 1951 Mercedes Benz 170 S 4-door sedan for restoration! Brought here from Germany! Standard transmission, radio, heater, original interior, low mileage, partially apart (fenders, head, grill, etc.). Don’t miss this diamond in the rough! 203-876-9310 Location: Milford, Ct. Message: 3 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 06:48:06 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI Message-ID: 4d74c5f6.5010...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2247755027.html $15,000? Is a W136 170S worth as much as a W186 300 Adenauer? Mitch. -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com End of Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 25 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
Ebay seller and he had already pulled the engine and condemned it. nbsp;He was selling the body only. nbsp;I messaged him and asked if he wanted to sell the head also. nbsp;$550 later, it was shipped to me :) Luther -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 7, 2011 2:56 AM, Max Dillon lt;meadedil...@bellsouth.netgt; wrote: Luther, I like it! So you found a seller trying to get rid of whole car, and made an offer? How much did you pay? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Benz Hogs lt;benz-n-h...@gulseth.netgt; To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 5:32:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix What about finding someone with a 603rodbender and offering to purchase their #22 head? This is what I did on eBay for my SDL. Came with injectors and chambers. Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 3/4/2011 10:17 AM, Rolf wrote: gt; Yes, remember that new #22 head is really going to cost upwards of $4k when you gt;throw in valves etc. gt; gt; Reman #17 or better is the way to go. Personally, just start with the gt;headgasket and have the head inspected and work from there. While the head is gt;off you can hand lap the valves as well if everything checks out OK. gt; gt; I compared the 606 to the 603 hg last night, the 606 def seems to be of gt;different material. The Finns say its copper but without one in hand gt; gt; -Rolf. gt; gt; On 03/04/2011 10:24 AM, Max Dillon wrote: gt;gt; Yes, that is a consideration. I've put a lot of time and $ into this car and gt;I gt;gt; certainly would be happy to keep driving it for another five or ten years. gt;gt; gt;gt; I'd really like to find a used head with #17 or later casting and keep the gt;gt; ~$1500 difference in my pocket. gt;gt; gt;gt; -Max gt;gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; From: Alex Chamberlainlt;apchamberl...@gmail.comgt; gt;gt; To: Mercedes Discussion Listlt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; gt;gt; Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 9:26:55 AM gt;gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix gt;gt; gt;gt; On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:12 AM, Max Dillonlt;meadedil...@bellsouth.netgt; wrote: gt;gt;gt; I just received the lab results from the latest engine oil sample: Sodium gt;gt;gt; jumped gt;gt;gt; from 5 ppm to 115 ppm, which the lab tech interpreted as Coolant additives gt;gt; are gt;gt;gt; present. The car does require infrequent topping off of the coolant, so it gt;gt;gt; looks as if pulling the head to replace the head gasket is now the plan... gt;gt;gt; gt;gt; Ouch. If budget permits, and you intend to keep the car indefinitely, gt;gt; I strongly recommend that, rather than a used one, you buy a nice new gt;gt; #21 head, or whatever is the latest iteration with all the bugs fixed, gt;gt; and have the peace of mind that you'll never have to do it again. gt;gt; gt;gt; Alex gt;gt; gt;gt; ___ gt;gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt;gt; gt;gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt;gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com gt;gt; ___ gt;gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt;gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt;gt; gt;gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt;gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com gt; gt; gt; ___ gt; http://www.okiebenz.com gt; For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com gt; To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ gt; gt; To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: gt; http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
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I agree. --R On 3/7/2011 8:00 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
Where is here? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:30 PM, degco...@cox.net wrote: Sounds delicious. I was wondering about a propane seafood boil kettle-they are common here have baskets-I don't know if they would get hot enough for oil. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:05:52 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ Got a turkey fryer? If you can find a way to scoop em out, or have a basket, the fryer makes good fries. I made white sweet tater fires for turkey day. They were really good. I hand cut the fries with a 10 chef knife. x We have a good time. I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:52:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ Message-ID: 806540.7872...@web113204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks Curt. I'm not sure why I missed this event all these years. Sounds like fun. I'll try my best to make it. Dimitri Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2011, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: In case you did miss it: ChowdaQ 2010: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2010/ ChowdaQ 2009: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2009/ ChowdaQ 2008: http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/ChowdaQ 2008/ -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300TD manual trans in MI
No problem - *Pretty much a complete car*, ready for restoration On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:48 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Allan Streib wrote: http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2247755027.html $15,000? Is a W136 170S worth as much as a W186 300 Adenauer? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
Why! Here is there of course! Where is here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
Let's keep political discussion off this forum, please! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I agree. --R On 3/7/2011 8:00 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Work: Changing a W124's Headlight Switch
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:23 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: The instructions I got from Alex Chamberlain and Peter Frederick were quite helpful. Glad to hear it! I must have forgot to tell you to detach the hood release mechanism. Looks like it went OK with it in place, though. When you get that panel under the steering wheel completely free, you are most of the way towards being able to RR the cruise control amplifier, should that be necessary. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Sorry- my smart phone is smarter than I. Peter On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Let's keep political discussion off this forum, please! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I agree. --R On 3/7/2011 8:00 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Skynet has awoke, and is contacting MB owners? Walt On Mar 7, 2011 11:20 AM, Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry- my smart phone is smarter than I. Peter On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Let's keep political discussion off this forum, please! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I agree. --R On 3/7/2011 8:00 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Can someone please check the title on this car?
WAULT68E13A261320 Also, I'm selling my 300CDs and moving to 240Ds...the 4 cyls are better for the kids...both need new motors...send me a note if you either of them or any parts. Thanks, Bruce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Hmm, another slight bit of confusion... If I shift into L, then 2 then L again it'll go into first at a standstill... It still needs adjustment, its hard to get it into first with the pedal. -Curt --- On Sun, 3/6/11, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca Subject: Re: California Version - 1985 300TD To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Sunday, March 6, 2011, 11:58 PM Finally dredged up my TDM. Boiled down version: Non-turbos 123.123 (240D), 123.130 (300D), 123.190 (300TD) up to 1979: start in second, no kickdown unless full throttle applied. 1980 to September 1984: 123.12x; 123.13x and 123.19x (turbo and non-turbo): idle in second, kickdown to first with the slightest application of the accelerator. October 1984 (= 1985 model year) to end of series 123: idle in first and start in first without any application of accelerator pedal. They will also shift down into first when approaching a standstill (at about 13km/h). 1985 California version is basically identical to Federal except that the 1-2 shift happens at a slightly (2-5km/h) lower speed, and the stall speed on the torque converter is higher (2400-2700 vs 2100-2300 Federal). Other shift behaviour is same as Federal. Curt Raymond wrote: My '84 190D doesn't kick down unless I cram down on the go pedal, even then sometimes theres a long delay before it kicks down. To Curt's point: oddly, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 (201.024) and 190D 2.2 (201.122), as well as a couple of Euro 123, 124 and 126 gasser models, start in second no matter the position of the shift lever. The only way to get into first is indeed to use the pedal to kick down. I assume this related to the shift gate being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L. So Curt, no adjustments needed on your 190D! D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
Yeah I misunderstood Mao's point. I still don't understand his issue but now I get what he's saying. Mine works with the too new MC and rod, it just doesn't feel right and I can't help but wonder that something funny is going on inside. A funny noise persists which may or may not be related. -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:56:02 -0800 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: 0e5a3893-485e-11e0-8f66-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed The part I don't understand about your MC issues is that there isn't a bleed port on the MC. The system bleeds entirely through the slave, which is why you must pressure bleed it. The system, by the book, bleeds entirely through the MC, back to the reservoir. You use the lower bleed screw to hook to a brake bleeder, and pressurize it that way. Has worked every time for me this way. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
I've got one... Actually I was thinking another Coleman stove (I've got 4 after all) with a dutch oven... -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 02:10:48 + From: degco...@cox.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ Message-ID: 1238329818-1299463851-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7554830...@bda597.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain We need to find a propane fired fry kettle. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 18:05:09 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ We have a good time. I'm debating the feasibility of making french fries onsite... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
I knew all that I was asking Glenn why on his car specifically... I've never had an MB I thought they'd get me anything on. My 190Ds don't give appreciable smoke or smell at idle, my 240Ds both did but were about the same and on par with other 240Ds I've seen. My '85 190D had 310,000 but had had some valve work at some point I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:01:51 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Message-ID: a0624080ac999f9e41710@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Why? After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out. When the turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost? It will cut smoking It will lower oil consumption On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K M/L. So why are you doing it? Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:58 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: To Curt's point: oddly, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 (201.024) and 190D 2.2 (201.122), as well as a couple of Euro 123, 124 and 126 gasser models, start in second no matter the position of the shift lever. The only way to get into first is indeed to use the pedal to kick down. I find this hard to believe. Do you mean that you can't force the transmission into first even by moving the lever to position 2 at a stop? Why would D-B go to the trouble of making a special transmission without this feature? It wouldn't affect fuel economy ratings, since the transmission would behave the same if left in D. I assume this related to the shift gate being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L. FWIW, both of the 722.x cars I have, an '86 300E and '87 300D, have the same shift gate, yet the 300D starts in first and the 300E in second (but can be forced to start in first by putting the lever in position 2 when stopped). The shift gate is not a reliable indicator of transmission behavior. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Driving a 240D was Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
Right after I got the 74 240D, I was heading to work on the interstate. The car was still pretty new to me, and I basically just floored it; no functioning speedometer, but it's a 240D, right? Anyway, I change into the exit lane and notice a cop is following me, close; he continues doing so for about a mile, and of course I just maintain pace. Once I pull off the exit he keeps going, so I figure he just looked like he was following me and went on my way. A few days later I dug up a GPS and tracked my commute. Turns out I was doing about 80 during that stretch, probably closer to 85 (yes, it is down hill). I guess the cop felt bad for me; it's a 65 zone, that's a mandatory loss of license in NC. Now all the speedometers are working and I drive pretty much legally. But I don't joke about how slow 240Ds are. :) -Tim From the desk of random stories On Mar 6, 2011 2:46 PM, Dwight Giles Jr. degco...@cox.net wrote: Oh-OK-that's about the same distance- probably an hour and half (unless you are driving a 240D.) Well we have had a lot of fun the last three years even when we dodged raindrops. I trust you saw the photos from last year on Curt's blog. We will keep you in the loop as we send out details directions this summer Dwight Giles Jr.(Formerly had two 240D's) 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 8:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ I'm in Weston. Sounds like this could be fun! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2011, at 8:25 AM, degco...@cox.net wrote: We'd love to have you. Where are you? Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:22:05 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ Hmmm. Might have to make it out there. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:55 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. degco...@cox.net wrote: I work out of Boston-it's exactly 70 miles from my house to south Boston-the near the JFK museum. The picnic is a bit further north east from Wickford- it's about 70 miles to Logan Airport in Boston and 65 miles from downtown. It's only about 5 miles from Providence airport. Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 7:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ So how many miles is wickford from Boston? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 6, 2011, at 6:54 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. degco...@cox.net wrote: Kaleb, It's about 3 1/2 hours-175 miles from Goddard Park to Portland ME. Depends on how far downeast or up north you are in Mane as Portland is really southern Maine. But the picnic site is only 10/15 miles off I 95 so if you were going through, it would be an easy stop.. Dwight Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ How far is that from the state of Maine? I may be up there sometime but I think it would be during the summer. On 3/5/2011 11:15 AM, Dwight Giles Jr. wrote: A sign of spring in NE. For anyone on the list who flies in we will pick you up at the airport and give you a free loaner Benz to drive to the picnic. Same great fun as ChowdaQ I-III. ChowdaQIV A celebration of vintage Mercedes Benz and other interesting vehicles Saturday September 10, 2011 Goddard State Park 1095 Ives Road, Warwick, Rhode Island Picnic and day of camaraderie Dwight Giles Jr. 1982 300CD 220K miles 1990 300D 2.5t 190K miles Wickford RI -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 50599 bytes Desc: not available URL:http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachme nts/20110305/591644a8/attachment.png ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3483 - Release Date: 03/05/11 --
[MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 300CD. It was quite BORING. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Stereo for Red
Luther's Benz wrote: If you remove the console pannel to access the fader switch, there are 4 connectors there, one for each speaker. nbsp;Tap in there for clean access to your speakers without going into the dash. If you don't mind using the light gauge wire the factory installed. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I have a 5spd in my 87 300d. Not sure of the gearing on the 190 but at 60mph I am turning around 1700rpm. That may be a dogleg 5speed. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 01:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 300CD. It was quite BORING. Really? How come? You seem to be in the minority---there are a few people who have a stick 124 on the PeachParts forum, and they all seem to love them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Save the Date-2011 ChowdaQ
I know in scouts we would do dutch oven peach cobbler on the remains of a wood fire, if you bring the oven and have a bonfire, might want to try it. Sounds like I'll have to see if I can make the end of the world 2012 edition of this event. :) Mercedes content: the engine is too cold to touch... eeek! Walt On Mar 7, 2011 12:44 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
Ok, sorry The SDL is the only one I ever did in situ. It smoked on startup and had high oil consumption. After I did the new seals and chain, and switched it to M1, the oil consumption dropped to about the same as a new engine, and the smoking stopped. I used to lay a navy-type smoke screen with it before that. All other times, I put on seals as part of doing the head. I knew all that I was asking Glenn why on his car specifically... I've never had an MB I thought they'd get me anything on. My 190Ds don't give appreciable smoke or smell at idle, my 240Ds both did but were about the same and on par with other 240Ds I've seen. My '85 190D had 310,000 but had had some valve work at some point I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:01:51 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Message-ID: a0624080ac999f9e41710@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Why? After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out. When the turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost? It will cut smoking It will lower oil consumption On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K M/L. So why are you doing it? Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I doubt it's a dogleg, probably the regular up for first arrangement. I don't see any evidence of other 2.3-16 parts, like spoilers, wheel arches, or seats. Rated 19 city, 27hwy in 1989, which puts it almost as good as an old 3.8L Taurus. Mitch. Rolf wrote: I have a 5spd in my 87 300d. Not sure of the gearing on the 190 but at 60mph I am turning around 1700rpm. That may be a dogleg 5speed. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 01:51 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do regret selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if the price was right and I could convince SWMBO. My biggest beef against the 201's is that the interiors are very cheap. Another odd aspect was that the AC would get heat soaked in the summer following engine shut-down, so when you restarted the car, the AC would blow really hot for a minute or two and then cool off. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 1:51:48 PM Subject: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
Tell me more about valve stem seals for an OM603. Would you (or the list) advice doing my own valve job on my OM603 head, if it is not cracked? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:07:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Ok, sorry The SDL is the only one I ever did in situ. It smoked on startup and had high oil consumption. After I did the new seals and chain, and switched it to M1, the oil consumption dropped to about the same as a new engine, and the smoking stopped. I used to lay a navy-type smoke screen with it before that. All other times, I put on seals as part of doing the head. I knew all that I was asking Glenn why on his car specifically... I've never had an MB I thought they'd get me anything on. My 190Ds don't give appreciable smoke or smell at idle, my 240Ds both did but were about the same and on par with other 240Ds I've seen. My '85 190D had 310,000 but had had some valve work at some point I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:01:51 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Message-ID: a0624080ac999f9e41710@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Why? After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out. When the turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost? It will cut smoking It will lower oil consumption On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K M/L. So why are you doing it? Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
I would not advise doing your own, If your head needs guides, I'd leave that to a auto machine shop. If it only needs seals, then yes, you can easily DIY. A good way to find a good machine shop is to talk to they guys in the back of your favorite stealership. Find out who they use. Go to that one. The price of valve and seat grinding equipment is too expensive for use once every 2-5 years, or even a couple of times a year. Pull the head, check it, and if it looks good, take it in to a good machine shop that works on MB Diesels.When I pulled the head on the escort Diesel at 100K, it looked so good that I put it back on without doing anything but the new head gasket. Tell me more about valve stem seals for an OM603. Would you (or the list) advice doing my own valve job on my OM603 head, if it is not cracked? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:07:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Ok, sorry The SDL is the only one I ever did in situ. It smoked on startup and had high oil consumption. After I did the new seals and chain, and switched it to M1, the oil consumption dropped to about the same as a new engine, and the smoking stopped. I used to lay a navy-type smoke screen with it before that. All other times, I put on seals as part of doing the head. I knew all that I was asking Glenn why on his car specifically... I've never had an MB I thought they'd get me anything on. My 190Ds don't give appreciable smoke or smell at idle, my 240Ds both did but were about the same and on par with other 240Ds I've seen. My '85 190D had 310,000 but had had some valve work at some point I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:01:51 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Message-ID: a0624080ac999f9e41710@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Why? After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out. When the turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost? It will cut smoking It will lower oil consumption On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K M/L. So why are you doing it? Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I didn't own it - I just did a test drive. GIven time I might have grown fond... On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I test drove a 1986 300E five-speed before SWMBO purchased her 1985 300CD. It was quite BORING. Really? How come? You seem to be in the minority---there are a few people who have a stick 124 on the PeachParts forum, and they all seem to love them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
You know for double the price you could have won this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-class-e36-Mercedes-Benz-300-series-Renntech-ce36-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b9174bd4QQitemZ170609036244QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks Not a stick and the interior is a bit shocking but I bet it would be more fun. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 03:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, John Freermbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
The TDM lists specific models with this won't shift down behaviour. Some 123/124/201 models behave differently than others, and as you say the shift gate pattern is no particular indicator. Specifically, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 and 190D 2.2 are listed in the TDM, but it presumably boils down to a specific build date that may or may not coincide with the model year. IIRC there are also a couple of 124 models listed, but I don't have the TDM with me and so cannot look them up right now. Curt: what is the build date on your 190D, and is it a 2.2? Alex Chamberlain wrote: I find this hard to believe. Do you mean that you can't force the transmission into first even by moving the lever to position 2 at a stop? Why would D-B go to the trouble of making a special transmission without this feature? It wouldn't affect fuel economy ratings, since the transmission would behave the same if left in D. I assume this related to the shift gate being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L. FWIW, both of the 722.x cars I have, an '86 300E and '87 300D, have the same shift gate, yet the 300D starts in first and the 300E in second (but can be forced to start in first by putting the lever in position 2 when stopped). The shift gate is not a reliable indicator of transmission behavior. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Can someone please check the title on this car?
B Dike wrote: WAULT68E13A261320 None of us here own a car VIN search company. (so far as I know) I hear CarFax is good choice. http://www.carfax.com/ Also, I'm selling my 300CDs and moving to 240Ds...the 4 cyls are better for the kids...both need new motors...send me a note if you either of them or any parts. Thanks, Bruce ...if you either of them or any parts. What does that mean? Are you selling cars? Parts? Buying parts? Buying motors? Selling motors? Whether buying or selling, a few more clues would sure be helpful. Year, model, condition, price, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (no subject)
You realize Kleb does have another forum for this kind of banter. Banned is the forum where this type of chatter is acceptable. I have been banned from this austere group for use of words less than this. Be aware. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? You know for double the price you could have won this : http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-E-Class-E-class-e36-Mercedes-Benz-300-series-Renntech-ce36-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem27b9174bd4QQitemZ170609036244QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks Not a stick and the interior is a bit shocking but I bet it would be more fun. -Rolf On 03/07/2011 03:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, John Freermbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
WILTON wrote: Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? I could do without: Red steering wheel rim. Hideous red gauges with yellow needles. Subwoofers in the trunk, behind the fuel tank. Are they supposed to make the trunk lid buzz, or what's their function? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if the car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the W201... just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
Friend of mine told me he was getting rid of his maxima. It is rusty, and should be considered for parts Good engine, trans, powertrain. Has some control of transmission shift characteristics. His description: Maxima, 1993 (souped up version trans gentle, normal fast) 160k miles JN1EJ01F1PT416964 Best offer over $250 takes it. West 'burbs of Chicago. If interested, contact Brackett, Robert rob...@crandall-brackett.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
I should buy that engine/trans to put in the 72 Datsun and boost it up or something. Too bad I am not near Chitown. --R On 3/7/2011 5:42 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Friend of mine told me he was getting rid of his maxima. It is rusty, and should be considered for parts Good engine, trans, powertrain. Has some control of transmission shift characteristics. His description: Maxima, 1993 (souped up version trans gentle, normal fast) 160k miles JN1EJ01F1PT416964 Best offer over $250 takes it. West 'burbs of Chicago. If interested, contact Brackett, Robert rob...@crandall-brackett.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
A car Gordon can afford? If you pay scrap for it and it runs, it's free transportation until it dies. Mitch. Dieselhead wrote: Friend of mine told me he was getting rid of his maxima. It is rusty, and should be considered for parts Good engine, trans, powertrain. Has some control of transmission shift characteristics. His description: Maxima, 1993 (souped up version trans gentle, normal fast) 160k miles JN1EJ01F1PT416964 Best offer over $250 takes it. West 'burbs of Chicago. If interested, contact Brackett, Robert rob...@crandall-brackett.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Any well-known problems, self-destructing wiring, or the like? Allan Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if the car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the W201... just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I can do without all of it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? WILTON wrote: Wonder why the temp wheel is solid blue, and what is the red button, or red light, by the light switch? I could do without: Red steering wheel rim. Hideous red gauges with yellow needles. Subwoofers in the trunk, behind the fuel tank. Are they supposed to make the trunk lid buzz, or what's their function? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28
CARFAX gave conflicting answers. Need another source... Have a 82 300CD and an 85 300CD. Both run but not like new. The 82 could make road trips but it is a stubborn starter in cold weather. It has a football-sized ding in the side from a driveway incident...it was parked poorly and someone else was in a hurry... The 85 needs a new motor, but just had the tranny replaced. The body has a couple minor dings and scratches but cleans up nicely...very nicely. No significant chassis problems in either car. Ride and handling is great. Willing to sell either in pieces or whole. Bottom line for me is salvage value plus easy to sell items. Local salvage yards are paying $170 a ton! --- On Mon, 3/7/11, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:05:41 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can someone please check the title on this car? Message-ID: 20110307160541.8678d2a2.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 B Dike wrote: WAULT68E13A261320? None of us here own a car VIN search company. (so far as I know) I hear CarFax is good choice. http://www.carfax.com/ Also, I'm selling my 300CDs and moving to 240Ds...the 4 cyls are better for the kids...both need new motors...send me a note if you either of them or any parts. Thanks, Bruce ...if you either of them or any parts. What does that mean? Are you selling cars? Parts? Buying parts? Buying motors? Selling motors? Whether buying or selling, a few more clues would sure be helpful. Year, model, condition, price, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Just M103 weaknesses... head gaskets and valve guides. Nothing serious enough to avoid purchase of such a car. Overall, the engine is quite good. Oh yeah, and rust, especially around the jack points in the W201. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Any well-known problems, self-destructing wiring, or the like? Allan Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com writes: The 2.6 5 speed combo is a pretty desirable one in a W201 and you should definitely take a look if such a car fancies you... you'll find it quite different than a W116! The price is a bit high for a W201, but if the car is nice with low miles, its absolutely reasonable. For a little while I had a 190D 2.5t, but I'm not a big fan of the W201... just a bit too small for me. I sold the car off after a short time. Jaime On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? I don't have any experience with this particular model. Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. Plus it's not a diesel. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
Mitch wrote: A car Gordon can afford? eh... The money sounds right, but... I dunno - may need to contact the guy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Windshield
I just had a new windshield and gasket install in my '85 TD. Safety Inspection is a racket... Anyway. I looked at getting PPG glass. Decided the car did not deserve one _that_ good. Ended up getting Plinkington glass and Precision gasket. The shop did some looking to find what they thought was good. I'm pleased. With the parts and the service. There was no trouble with the gasket or glass fitting the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement
Thanks - that's about what I thought. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 3:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement I would not advise doing your own, If your head needs guides, I'd leave that to a auto machine shop. If it only needs seals, then yes, you can easily DIY. A good way to find a good machine shop is to talk to they guys in the back of your favorite stealership. Find out who they use. Go to that one. The price of valve and seat grinding equipment is too expensive for use once every 2-5 years, or even a couple of times a year. Pull the head, check it, and if it looks good, take it in to a good machine shop that works on MB Diesels.When I pulled the head on the escort Diesel at 100K, it looked so good that I put it back on without doing anything but the new head gasket. Tell me more about valve stem seals for an OM603. Would you (or the list) advice doing my own valve job on my OM603 head, if it is not cracked? Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Mon, March 7, 2011 2:07:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Ok, sorry The SDL is the only one I ever did in situ. It smoked on startup and had high oil consumption. After I did the new seals and chain, and switched it to M1, the oil consumption dropped to about the same as a new engine, and the smoking stopped. I used to lay a navy-type smoke screen with it before that. All other times, I put on seals as part of doing the head. I knew all that I was asking Glenn why on his car specifically... I've never had an MB I thought they'd get me anything on. My 190Ds don't give appreciable smoke or smell at idle, my 240Ds both did but were about the same and on par with other 240Ds I've seen. My '85 190D had 310,000 but had had some valve work at some point I think... -Curt Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:01:51 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] valve stem seals replacement Message-ID: a0624080ac999f9e41710@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Why? After 25-30 years, the rubber gets rotten After 20-30 years and 200-400K miles, they are worn out. When the turbo is running, , it may be true that the small pressure boost may help prevent oil loss, but how much time does your engine spend with the turbo not at full boost/low boost/no boost? It will cut smoking It will lower oil consumption On my high mile SDL, the only major things I did was a new timing chain and I replaced the valve seals at 315K M/L. So why are you doing it? Marshall claimed there was no need on diesels but there were folks on here (Dave M?) who claimed it was required... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28
Location? Andrew is about to have an extra '85 motor that will fit... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of B Dike Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28 CARFAX gave conflicting answers. Need another source... Have a 82 300CD and an 85 300CD. Both run but not like new. The 82 could make road trips but it is a stubborn starter in cold weather. It has a football-sized ding in the side from a driveway incident...it was parked poorly and someone else was in a hurry... The 85 needs a new motor, but just had the tranny replaced. The body has a couple minor dings and scratches but cleans up nicely...very nicely. No significant chassis problems in either car. Ride and handling is great. Willing to sell either in pieces or whole. Bottom line for me is salvage value plus easy to sell items. Local salvage yards are paying $170 a ton! --- On Mon, 3/7/11, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:05:41 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can someone please check the title on this car? Message-ID: 20110307160541.8678d2a2.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 B Dike wrote: WAULT68E13A261320? None of us here own a car VIN search company. (so far as I know) I hear CarFax is good choice. http://www.carfax.com/ Also, I'm selling my 300CDs and moving to 240Ds...the 4 cyls are better for the kids...both need new motors...send me a note if you either of them or any parts. Thanks, Bruce ...if you either of them or any parts. What does that mean? Are you selling cars? Parts? Buying parts? Buying motors? Selling motors? Whether buying or selling, a few more clues would sure be helpful. Year, model, condition, price, etc. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield
Every time I've had a factory windshield replaced I ended up with leaks within a year or two. Twice on a VW and once on a Dodge Caravan. I suspect this is because of cost-cutting on the part of the glass shop in choice of gasket. I'm going to be replacing the window gaskets (front and rear) on my W116. I'm tempted to order gaskets from Rusty and then have a shop do it so that if the glass breaks it's their liability not mine. Or is this an easy enough DIY job? One reason I'd like to do it myself is so that I can be sure that any rust under the gasket is addressed before reinstalling. Allan Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: I just had a new windshield and gasket install in my '85 TD. Safety Inspection is a racket... Anyway. I looked at getting PPG glass. Decided the car did not deserve one _that_ good. Ended up getting Plinkington glass and Precision gasket. The shop did some looking to find what they thought was good. I'm pleased. With the parts and the service. There was no trouble with the gasket or glass fitting the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
That doesn't sound good. Don't forget that you CAN drive it without a working clutch (as long as it fails in the engaged position) - so don't feel stranded, when you're not. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine works with the too new MC and rod, it just doesn't feel right and I can't help but wonder that something funny is going on inside. A funny noise persists which may or may not be related. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
My son's 5 speed 190D 2.2 is a lot of fun to drive - the 2.6 vergasser should be even more fun. I suspect that when it comes time to work on the head, you could swap the engine for a 3.0 instead? more fun yet! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do regret selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if the price was right and I could convince SWMBO. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
Fly in, take mao out for a sandwich, drive it home. I should buy that engine/trans to put in the 72 Datsun and boost it up or something. Too bad I am not near Chitown. --R On 3/7/2011 5:42 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Friend of mine told me he was getting rid of his maxima. It is rusty, and should be considered for parts Good engine, trans, powertrain. Has some control of transmission shift characteristics. His description: Maxima, 1993 (souped up version trans gentle, normal fast) 160k miles JN1EJ01F1PT416964 Best offer over $250 takes it. West 'burbs of Chicago. If interested, contact Brackett, Robert rob...@crandall-brackett.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 11:22:22 -0800 (PST) From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Message-ID: 284506.61036...@web180012.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I had an '84 190D 2.2, five speed, and it was an absolute blast. I do regret selling that car. I'd pick up a nice 190 five speed, gasser or diesel, if the price was right and I could convince SWMBO. My biggest beef against the 201's is that the interiors are very cheap. Another odd aspect was that the AC would get heat soaked in the summer following engine shut-down, so when you restarted the car, the AC would blow really hot for a minute or two and then cool off. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
Condition, condition, condition... Could be worth it, could be crap. I've probably got $4500 in my '84 190D right now (it was a $250 car remember) and its got a creaking ball joint (just started tonight) so $3k if its really in good shape is probably fair. -Curt Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:41:27 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed? Message-ID: 1299530487.19357.1427169...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Worth anything close to the asking price ($3K) ? Allan On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:13 -0800, John Freer mbfo...@gmail.com wrote: Looks to be a 2.6 I6very rare. John On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2232006384.html Anyone have anything similar? ?I don't have any experience with this particular model. ?Thought I might take a look at it, though I just bought that W116 so I really can't take on another car right now. ?Plus it's not a diesel. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Its an '84, presumably an early one, how do I find the build date? It is indeed a 2.2l. Interesting things about this car: Mono wiper with no in/out thingie Glow plug light on the left side of the steering wheel 14 wheels with their special bolts and other stuff I've surely forgotten.. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:02:47 -0800 From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD Message-ID: f06240802c99ae4d43512@[192.168.2.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The TDM lists specific models with this won't shift down behaviour. Some 123/124/201 models behave differently than others, and as you say the shift gate pattern is no particular indicator. Specifically, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 and 190D 2.2 are listed in the TDM, but it presumably boils down to a specific build date that may or may not coincide with the model year. IIRC there are also a couple of 124 models listed, but I don't have the TDM with me and so cannot look them up right now. Curt: what is the build date on your 190D, and is it a 2.2? Alex Chamberlain wrote: I find this hard to believe. Do you mean that you can't force the transmission into first even by moving the lever to position 2 at a stop? Why would D-B go to the trouble of making a special transmission without this feature? It wouldn't affect fuel economy ratings, since the transmission would behave the same if left in D. I assume this related to the shift gate being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L. FWIW, both of the 722.x cars I have, an '86 300E and '87 300D, have the same shift gate, yet the 300D starts in first and the 300E in second (but can be forced to start in first by putting the lever in position 2 when stopped). The shift gate is not a reliable indicator of transmission behavior. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield
When Safelite replaced the glass in my '85 190D they used Plinkington, the overall deal was decent. Unfortunately then the car took to crap and 2 years later I chucked a rock through the windshield of the car so we could fit more junk in it to take to the scrapper. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:10:31 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Windshield Message-ID: 20110307191031.c054bbfe.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I just had a new windshield and gasket install in my '85 TD. Safety Inspection is a racket... Anyway. I looked at getting PPG glass. Decided the car did not deserve one _that_ good. Ended up getting Plinkington glass and Precision gasket. The shop did some looking to find what they thought was good. I'm pleased. With the parts and the service. There was no trouble with the gasket or glass fitting the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
I'm actually more concerned that the noise is the clutch being not fully engaged as I drive and thus eating itself. Its a weird doo doo noise that matches road speed. Current theory is the sound is created by two rust holes (don't tell Dwight), one through the inner fender and one through the rocker. Both will be addressed soon. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:46:15 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: aanlktinrxfjqzvp2r_v7saeyfy63-kzzeut4pfc_2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That doesn't sound good. Don't forget that you CAN drive it without a working clutch (as long as it fails in the engaged position) - so don't feel stranded, when you're not. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine works with the too new MC and rod, it just doesn't feel right and I can't help but wonder that something funny is going on inside. A funny noise persists which may or may not be related. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod
Does the noise change if the clutch is engaged/disengaged? Throwout bearings can get noisy Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: I'm actually more concerned that the noise is the clutch being not fully engaged as I drive and thus eating itself. Its a weird doo doo noise that matches road speed. Current theory is the sound is created by two rust holes (don't tell Dwight), one through the inner fender and one through the rocker. Both will be addressed soon. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:46:15 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: aanlktinrxfjqzvp2r_v7saeyfy63-kzzeut4pfc_2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That doesn't sound good. Don't forget that you CAN drive it without a working clutch (as long as it fails in the engaged position) - so don't feel stranded, when you're not. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine works with the too new MC and rod, it just doesn't feel right and I can't help but wonder that something funny is going on inside. A funny noise persists which may or may not be related. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Windshield
Allan Streib wrote: Every time I've had a factory windshield replaced I ended up with leaks within a year or two. Twice on a VW and once on a Dodge Caravan. Practically all my 123 cars have leaked. With factory glass and gasket. I put a bead of RTV at the glass/gasket junction. That solved most leaks. I'm tempted to order gaskets from Rusty and then have a shop do it so that if the glass breaks it's their liability not mine. Or is this an easy enough DIY job? No, not really. I have done it myself before. If I had time, I would have done it myself this time too. I guess really it's not that it's hard - but it's necessary to be slow and careful. And buying new glass twice is _really_ expensive. One reason I'd like to do it myself is so that I can be sure that any rust under the gasket is addressed before reinstalling. The shop I hired spotted a bit of rust. He applied a metal etching primer. He said he has had to re-glaze a few cars he applied the primer and the it always stopped the rust. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Hey, Curt. Send me the chassis number, and the engines number, I may well have a spare head for you, new valves and all. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred On 3/7/2011 9:28 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Its an '84, presumably an early one, how do I find the build date? It is indeed a 2.2l. Interesting things about this car: Mono wiper with no in/out thingie Glow plug light on the left side of the steering wheel 14 wheels with their special bolts and other stuff I've surely forgotten.. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix
ohhh I see. On 3/7/2011 3:07 AM, Max Dillon wrote: It is a lifter, starved of oil due to failed head gasket. Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD 334k miles '95 E300 280k miles '73 Balboa 20 Charleston SC From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:53:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix I have had cars with that sound, so the fins are saying that a bad head gasket can cause that? I always just thought it was a lifter. On 3/4/2011 6:42 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Alex, have you watched the videos from the link that Rolf posted? The first has noise exactly like my car. https://picasaweb.google.com/olefejer/W124300TurboDieselUdskiftToppKning# -Max From: Alex Chamberlainapchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:15:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Valve Tick Diagnoses and Fix On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Max Dillonmeadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: My '87 300TD has a valve tick that I want to fix. Max, is there any way you can post an audio file to the list? My 603 car has occasionally made clicky noises that seem to be coming from the vicinity of the valve cover, and I always wonder if they qualify as valve tick (of course they never happen when my indy or anyone else is around to hear). It would be nice to hear someone else's engine for corroboration. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3481 - Release Date: 03/04/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320, 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3488 - Release Date: 03/07/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 29
Getting too many emails. You should check it out. Steve Williams -Original message- From: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tue, Mar 8, 2011 01:56:23 GMT+00:00 Subject: Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 29 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD
Build date (month and year) is usually stamped on the data plate on the driver's door latch post; for example 2/84, 12/83, or 6/84, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD Its an '84, presumably an early one, how do I find the build date? It is indeed a 2.2l. Interesting things about this car: Mono wiper with no in/out thingie Glow plug light on the left side of the steering wheel 14 wheels with their special bolts and other stuff I've surely forgotten.. -Curt Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:02:47 -0800 From: David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] California Version - 1985 300TD Message-ID: f06240802c99ae4d43512@[192.168.2.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The TDM lists specific models with this won't shift down behaviour. Some 123/124/201 models behave differently than others, and as you say the shift gate pattern is no particular indicator. Specifically, the 1984/85 190E 2.3 and 190D 2.2 are listed in the TDM, but it presumably boils down to a specific build date that may or may not coincide with the model year. IIRC there are also a couple of 124 models listed, but I don't have the TDM with me and so cannot look them up right now. Curt: what is the build date on your 190D, and is it a 2.2? Alex Chamberlain wrote: I find this hard to believe. Do you mean that you can't force the transmission into first even by moving the lever to position 2 at a stop? Why would D-B go to the trouble of making a special transmission without this feature? It wouldn't affect fuel economy ratings, since the transmission would behave the same if left in D. I assume this related to the shift gate being labelled D/3/2 instead of D/S/L. FWIW, both of the 722.x cars I have, an '86 300E and '87 300D, have the same shift gate, yet the 300D starts in first and the 300E in second (but can be forced to start in first by putting the lever in position 2 when stopped). The shift gate is not a reliable indicator of transmission behavior. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Thoughts on 190E 5-speed?
That's what the 5 speed is good for! On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 8:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm actually well pleased with my '84 190D auto, its quite drivable as the engine is always spun up. It REALLY needs an overdrive on the highway though, its over 3,000 rpm at 60mph. -Curt -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CARFAX and 300 CDs for sale/rent/salvage/rebuild
I'm in Seattle. A good motor for the 300CD would be most welcome. -- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:24:22 -0500 From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28 Message-ID: 007f01cbdd2f$8edadaa0$ac908fe0$@net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Location? Andrew is about to have an extra '85 motor that will fit... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of B Dike Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 6:42 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 64, Issue 28 CARFAX gave conflicting answers. ?Need another source... Have a 82 300CD and an 85 300CD. ?Both run but not like new. ?The 82 could make road trips but it is a stubborn starter in cold weather. ?It has a football-sized ding in the side from a driveway incident...it was parked poorly and someone else was in a hurry... The 85 needs a new motor, but just had the tranny replaced. ?The body has a couple minor dings and scratches but cleans up nicely...very nicely. No significant chassis problems in either car. ?Ride and handling is great. Willing to sell either in pieces or whole. ?Bottom line for me is salvage value plus easy to sell items. ?Local salvage yards are paying $170 a ton! --- On Mon, 3/7/11, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: -- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:05:41 -0600 From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Can someone please check the title on this car? Message-ID: 20110307160541.8678d2a2.fmi...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 B Dike wrote: WAULT68E13A261320? None of us here own a car VIN search company. (so far as I know)? I hear CarFax is good choice. http://www.carfax.com/ Also, I'm selling my 300CDs and moving to 240Ds...the 4 cyls are better for the kids...both need new motors...send me a note if you either of them or any parts. Thanks, Bruce ...if you either of them or any parts. What does that mean?? Are you selling cars?? Parts? Buying parts? Buying motors? Selling motors? Whether buying or selling, a few more clues would sure be helpful. Year, model, condition, price, etc. --? ? ? Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:27:10 -0500 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Windshield Message-ID: m11v2i766p@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Every time I've had a factory windshield replaced I ended up with leaks within a year or two. Twice on a VW and once on a Dodge Caravan. I suspect this is because of cost-cutting on the part of the glass shop in choice of gasket. I'm going to be replacing the window gaskets (front and rear) on my W116. I'm tempted to order gaskets from Rusty and then have a shop do it so that if the glass breaks it's their liability not mine. Or is this an easy enough DIY job? One reason I'd like to do it myself is so that I can be sure that any rust under the gasket is addressed before reinstalling. Allan Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes: I just had a new windshield and gasket install in my '85 TD. Safety Inspection is a racket... Anyway. I looked at getting PPG glass. Decided the car did not deserve one _that_ good. Ended up getting Plinkington glass and Precision gasket. The shop did some looking to find what they thought was good. I'm pleased. With the parts and the service. There was no trouble with the gasket or glass fitting the car. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D -- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:46:15 -0600 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] '78 240D clutch rod Message-ID: aanlktinrxfjqzvp2r_v7saeyfy63-kzzeut4pfc_2...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 That doesn't sound good. Don't forget that you CAN drive it without a working clutch (as long as it fails in the engaged position) - so don't feel stranded, when you're not. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine works with the too new MC
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
Rich said: I should buy that engine/trans to put in the 72 Datsun and boost it up or something. Too bad I am not near Chitown. That would be a trick, since your 510 is RWD and a '93 Maxima is FWD. Were you planning to turn the transaxle around and put the engine where the rear seats are? ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT cheap Maxima available
Mid-engine, rwd datsun. That could be fun! Would need custom linkages, fuel tank relocation, some frame work to add the ifs setup to the rear as an irs setup... And lots of time... Or, an adapter plate to mate the engine to the trans, and be done with it . :) Walt On Mar 8, 2011 1:18 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Rich said: I should buy that engine/trans to put in the 72 Datsun and boost it up or something. Too bad I am not near Chitown. That would be a trick, since your 510 is RWD and a '93 Maxima is FWD. Were you planning to turn the transaxle around and put the engine where the rear seats are? ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
