Re: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?
Normally, I would agree, but in this instance, the line appears to have one end over the rear wheels at the brake hose and runs to the front of the car, near the master cylinder. To further complicate matters, there are several bends with an inside radius of approximately 1/4 and the various bends might allow the line to be manipulated out if the car were on a lift. Finally, the lines have an external coating and do not look to have any rust; I can clearly see where two lines have rubbed against each other and/or the rest of the car, right in the middle of one of those sharp bends. I'll check the EPC for an idea of how long the lines really are, but I suspect that replacing the whole line is a non-starter, if only due to the overall length, especially where the passenger side is concerned. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Sep 17, 2014, at 23:39, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to suggest you consider buying pre-made length of hard line which already has double flare with the compression nuts. It is available in a good selection of length at NAPA I'm sure of, other FLAPS should have it as well in metric. Remove the line and use a flexible tape measure [see wifes sewing box for example] to get the total length needed, then select the closest available [slightly longer if shorter is next option] Then use the old line as a pattern to make the bends on the new one. If the new line is a bit longer, fudge on the bends a little so the accumulated bends take up the extra length. This way, you have a line with no patches to fail and you only have to make two connections and the retention clips for a good fix.. if the old line has started to fail from rust.. it will fail more later.. logic.. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back on a 99 w210. I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are known to work loose. Thanks in advance -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?
I would second this approach having used it myself on a couple of occasions. I don't know what what kind of connection you would use or make to repair a brake line, but I can't imagine anything other than a double flare compression fitting having any sort of integrity. I also can't imagine a brake line with patches or repairs in it, either. Remember, this is your braking system. Not something you want to have leaving you in a pinch. Dan Sent from my iPad On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:39 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I would like to suggest you consider buying pre-made length of hard line which already has double flare with the compression nuts. It is available in a good selection of length at NAPA I'm sure of, other FLAPS should have it as well in metric. Remove the line and use a flexible tape measure [see wifes sewing box for example] to get the total length needed, then select the closest available [slightly longer if shorter is next option] Then use the old line as a pattern to make the bends on the new one. If the new line is a bit longer, fudge on the bends a little so the accumulated bends take up the extra length. This way, you have a line with no patches to fail and you only have to make two connections and the retention clips for a good fix.. if the old line has started to fail from rust.. it will fail more later.. logic.. On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, John Reames via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back on a 99 w210. I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are known to work loose. Thanks in advance -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations?
Original Message From: John Reames via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: John Reames Subject: [MBZ] Double flaring tool recommendations? Have a couple of hard brake lines that rotted/chafed (unsure of which; there are two in close proximity) right near where they make a hard 90. They are the ones that go along the driver side of chassis from front to back ~on a 99 w210. I'm sure the dealer is very proud of them, so my plan is to cut out the bad sections, then fabricate new bends and splice them in. I have no intention of using compression fittings or single flares; both are known to work loose. For splicing metric brake lines, a bubble flare is used, as opposed to a double flare used on domestic autos. It is basically an incomplete double flare. Any quality tool manufacturer will be fine. Lisle, OTC, Craftsman has one too, I believe. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A cars air con
Well if I had pressure gauges... Well, then using a schematic you can chase the compressor signal to see where it stops. It might indeed still be the Klima. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Nice. Now what about the Chicken Wagon? :) -Curt From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:25 PM Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car! Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Nice. Now what about the Chicken Wagon? :) Still needs a B2 piston. (Probably.) It might end up being my winter beater, which means that I'd need to get it running again! My indy's window for engine swaps (Frankenheap) is in the January timeframe. Not useful for this year... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
B2 piston - whazzat for? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nice. Now what about the Chicken Wagon? :) Still needs a B2 piston. (Probably.) It might end up being my winter beater, which means that I'd need to get it running again! My indy's window for engine swaps (Frankenheap) is in the January timeframe. Not useful for this year... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
On 17/09/2014 8:38 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Orginal Message From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:25 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Reply To: Jim Cathey Subject: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car! Today I picked up the 560 SEL from the shop. $1500 got it a used replacement transmission and the rear wheel bearing tightened. It drives like it ought to again. Oh the humanity! You_didn't_do_it_yourself? It wasn't fixed_with_Shoegoo? What next? The end of the world as we know it? Rick You must have missed a few posts along the way. Jim could not do it as he would have had to check his website in order to get the instructions on how to do it (like the rest of us) and his website is down. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
Jim, what kind of things are you putting on this site? Just words and pictures, right? Not like massive downloadable files or anything, right? EdB On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 10:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Well, _that_ was a waste of time. Our ISP decided, unilaterally, without notice or discussion, to cut off even the ability to host our own website, unless we pay them an additional $10/month. Color me not interested in extortion. I have to start the whole process over I guess, including revisiting now who our ISP is. (There is more than one choice, here.) Too bad I flushed everything out of my computer and my brain after I got it all working in June. I'm pretty sure I can get what I want elsewhere for much less than $120/year, at the very least. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. -- Das beste oder nichts. - *Gottlieb Daimler* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
Original Message From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:50 AM You must have missed a few posts along the way. Jim could not do it as he would have had to check his website in order to get the instructions on how to do it (like the rest of us) and his website is down. Piffle. He wrote the book. He has forgotten more about MB than most will ever know (that actually applies to quite a few here). The Jim Cathey I know does more before breakfast on a Saturday than I get done in a year. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
On 18/09/2014 11:32 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote: Original Message From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:50 AM You must have missed a few posts along the way. Jim could not do it as he would have had to check his website in order to get the instructions on how to do it (like the rest of us) and his website is down. Piffle. He wrote the book. He has forgotten more about MB than most will ever know (that actually applies to quite a few here). The Jim Cathey I know does more before breakfast on a Saturday than I get done in a year. Rick I may have deleted the post so I cannot quote but I am certain that Jim openly acknowledged that he had purged the whole works from his computer and his head. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
IIRC the B2 piston is a component in a W123 auto trans that enables a shift. It may be a part of other trans as well. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:36 AM To: Jim Cathey; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car! B2 piston - whazzat for? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Nice. Now what about the Chicken Wagon? :) Still needs a B2 piston. (Probably.) It might end up being my winter beater, which means that I'd need to get it running again! My indy's window for engine swaps (Frankenheap) is in the January timeframe. Not useful for this year... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
henifay wrote: Pitting the pawns against one another to keep the King safe. NICE!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
Chairman Mao: What was the context of that clever remark? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: henifay wrote: Pitting the pawns against one another to keep the King safe. NICE!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace... Our fine borders have not been tested. Not even close. Some suggest some buildings in NYC was a test, others challenge that suggestion. Given a challenge, I suggest that our neighborhoods will stand when push and shove begin. Talk about fat lazy people, I suggest the boroughs in Europe were fat lazy when storm-troopers marched there. Here? - the fundamental only means is as WILTON quoted from General Diem or whomever - media has turned away from a free expression in to pure indoctrination that demands and indoctrinates us to be unwilling to do what is needed with and for each other. Rather, we are willing to let the top down government do everything. Somehow, I suggest that while most neighborhoods are currently dysfunctional, most neighborhoods would defend and deny storm troopers regardless of ethnicity. Additionally, most neighborhoods desire diversity of ideas rather than be like we are told about ISIS. I am skeptical of the stories of ISIS. And... I don't think anyone here has bad thoughts about the WILTON tome - thanks WILTON!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Where do you reside? My top down government won't take my trash out. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace... Our fine borders have not been tested. Not even close. Some suggest some buildings in NYC was a test, others challenge that suggestion. Given a challenge, I suggest that our neighborhoods will stand when push and shove begin. Talk about fat lazy people, I suggest the boroughs in Europe were fat lazy when storm-troopers marched there. Here? - the fundamental only means is as WILTON quoted from General Diem or whomever - media has turned away from a free expression in to pure indoctrination that demands and indoctrinates us to be unwilling to do what is needed with and for each other. Rather, we are willing to let the top down government do everything. Somehow, I suggest that while most neighborhoods are currently dysfunctional, most neighborhoods would defend and deny storm troopers regardless of ethnicity. Additionally, most neighborhoods desire diversity of ideas rather than be like we are told about ISIS. I am skeptical of the stories of ISIS. And... I don't think anyone here has bad thoughts about the WILTON tome - thanks WILTON!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Carbine Digest, Vol 106, Issue 71
I just got the high mileage award in the mail for Frosch. Nice big box with a small grille jewel and a folder. Pretty heavy medal, but not the cloisonné of the older examples. No need to be a club member, just own the marque. clay On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. Dwight Giles 90 300D,82 300 CD. (In the old days we always put our cars in the signature) On Sep 16, 2014 6:42 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not trying to stifle discussion but this topic has been gone over many a times. And I don't think there is anything new to throw in the mix. Whether an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or carbine is neither here nor there, I suppose they come in both full length and shortened versions? Sure the pro-gun mob prefer the term carbine and anti-gun crowd prefer assault rifle. Regarding our laws in Oz, I have said it many a times, if it gets that bad that I feel I need a weapon to defend myself against the crazies, I will move somewhere better. And just to remind you all, it's not illegal to own a firearm in Oz but you need to have a good reason to own one and home defence is not a suitable reason. As I have said before, I feel good that there are stringent controls in place, so not just any numpty can buy a weapon to shove in his missus face and make him feel like a big man. Or pull the trigger in a moment of depression. http://www.news.com.au/national/lockhart-shooting- wagga-wagga-community-reeling-after-hunt-family-tragedy/ story-fncynjr2-1227053811861 Hendrik who is going for an job interview this morning On 17/09/14 03:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is like one of those cliques you see at parties where three guys are engaged in animated conversation to the exclusion of everyone else, on a nerdy topic of no interest to the rest of the gathering. I feel like telling them to take it outside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance- county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
[MBZ] Brother K'leb
http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ptd/4661253817.html Maybe the new okie acres will have a shed for the better parts clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
Thanks for the kind words. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace... Our fine borders have not been tested. Not even close. Some suggest some buildings in NYC was a test, others challenge that suggestion. Given a challenge, I suggest that our neighborhoods will stand when push and shove begin. Talk about fat lazy people, I suggest the boroughs in Europe were fat lazy when storm-troopers marched there. Here? - the fundamental only means is as WILTON quoted from General Diem or whomever - media has turned away from a free expression in to pure indoctrination that demands and indoctrinates us to be unwilling to do what is needed with and for each other. Rather, we are willing to let the top down government do everything. Somehow, I suggest that while most neighborhoods are currently dysfunctional, most neighborhoods would defend and deny storm troopers regardless of ethnicity. Additionally, most neighborhoods desire diversity of ideas rather than be like we are told about ISIS. I am skeptical of the stories of ISIS. And... I don't think anyone here has bad thoughts about the WILTON tome - thanks WILTON!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought
A wise man once said: Governments and diapers should both be changed often, for the same reason My Mercedes are working well.. don't need any parts.. have no issues at present.. Thanks for the civil conversation to everyone.. Grant... On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Where do you reside? My top down government won't take my trash out. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace... Our fine borders have not been tested. Not even close. Some suggest some buildings in NYC was a test, others challenge that suggestion. Given a challenge, I suggest that our neighborhoods will stand when push and shove begin. Talk about fat lazy people, I suggest the boroughs in Europe were fat lazy when storm-troopers marched there. Here? - the fundamental only means is as WILTON quoted from General Diem or whomever - media has turned away from a free expression in to pure indoctrination that demands and indoctrinates us to be unwilling to do what is needed with and for each other. Rather, we are willing to let the top down government do everything. Somehow, I suggest that while most neighborhoods are currently dysfunctional, most neighborhoods would defend and deny storm troopers regardless of ethnicity. Additionally, most neighborhoods desire diversity of ideas rather than be like we are told about ISIS. I am skeptical of the stories of ISIS. And... I don't think anyone here has bad thoughts about the WILTON tome - thanks WILTON!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
Similar to: scared old men sending brave young men to die In the good old days the boss would go out with the troops and fight but nowadays those that decide the time has come to fight do not go out and participate. Would the head honchos be so keen to start something if they had to go out and stick their necks out? Anyway on a related note, it's all go over here with all sorts of crazies running amok http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-19/afp-to-take-over-parliament-house-security/5754718 not sure if there is anything to it or just a bit of a beat up to justify sending troops to Iraq? My question is, what do these terrorists hope to achieve by doing these sort of bad things? Do they all expect us to roll over and surrender and convert to Islam? Far as I can see all they are doing is creating a bigger divide between Muslims and non Muslims and that ain't a good thing. I like to think that I am reasonably intelligent and do think that it is a small minority of Muslims who are hardline nut jobs and the vast majority just want to get along in life, however with every senseless terror attack, that belief becomes a little eroded. Plus there are plenty of not so bright people out there that think every Muslim is out to create mayhem. Nazi Germany is a good example of how people can be brainwashed into believing that a particular group of people are bad and need to be gotten rid of. Hendrik who lives in a crazy world full of crazy people and has his bags packed, in case some aliens come along to take me to a better planet On 19/09/14 05:02, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Chairman Mao: What was the context of that clever remark? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: henifay wrote: Pitting the pawns against one another to keep the King safe. NICE!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Politics
Hendrik who lives in a crazy world full of crazy people and has his bags packed, in case some aliens come along to take me to a better planet Hendrik, did you ever notice that alien space ships only fly at night, and only after bars all close... and only pick people up for rectal exams? Why is that? Inquiring minds want to know... ;)) I can't think of a single case of alien abduction that involved a Mercedes driver.. thus .. Mercedes protects against aliens.. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Similar to: scared old men sending brave young men to die In the good old days the boss would go out with the troops and fight but nowadays those that decide the time has come to fight do not go out and participate. Would the head honchos be so keen to start something if they had to go out and stick their necks out? Anyway on a related note, it's all go over here with all sorts of crazies running amok http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-19/afp-to-take-over- parliament-house-security/5754718 not sure if there is anything to it or just a bit of a beat up to justify sending troops to Iraq? My question is, what do these terrorists hope to achieve by doing these sort of bad things? Do they all expect us to roll over and surrender and convert to Islam? Far as I can see all they are doing is creating a bigger divide between Muslims and non Muslims and that ain't a good thing. I like to think that I am reasonably intelligent and do think that it is a small minority of Muslims who are hardline nut jobs and the vast majority just want to get along in life, however with every senseless terror attack, that belief becomes a little eroded. Plus there are plenty of not so bright people out there that think every Muslim is out to create mayhem. Nazi Germany is a good example of how people can be brainwashed into believing that a particular group of people are bad and need to be gotten rid of. Hendrik who lives in a crazy world full of crazy people and has his bags packed, in case some aliens come along to take me to a better planet On 19/09/14 05:02, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: Chairman Mao: What was the context of that clever remark? On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: henifay wrote: Pitting the pawns against one another to keep the King safe. NICE!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Alien Politics
Actually speaking of which, I swear I saw something in the sky while I was driving in Arizona. Driving along in a rental SUV (not a merc) in the middle of nowhere I looked to my 9 oclock and saw a shiny ball way off in the distance, looked at the road and looked back and it was gone. Anyway I don't particularly like those TV shows where people claim to have seem this or that, just more crap to fill the airwaves with. Given the proliferation of camera equipped phones, we should be seeing some footage of space ships any time soon but then with alien tech they can make themselves invisible to cameras. Hendrik who has his phone charged and ready to take pics On 19/09/14 10:38, G Mann wrote: Hendrik who lives in a crazy world full of crazy people and has his bags packed, in case some aliens come along to take me to a better planet Hendrik, did you ever notice that alien space ships only fly at night, and only after bars all close... and only pick people up for rectal exams? Why is that? Inquiring minds want to know... ;)) I can't think of a single case of alien abduction that involved a Mercedes driver.. thus .. Mercedes protects against aliens.. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: GRILLE badges
-- Forwarded message -- From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Date: Sep 18, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: GRILLE badges To: clay redgh...@comcast.net Cc: Yes I have 250k kms ones on each of my two. Paint faded on one I had them send a new one. I am going for 500k badge for my 90 300D. On Sep 18, 2014 4:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I just got the high mileage award in the mail for Frosch. Nice big box with a small grille jewel and a folder. Pretty heavy medal, but not the cloisonné of the older examples. No need to be a club member, just own the marque. clay On Sep 16, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: I AM trying to stifle discussion that is not MB or car related and is just political rants of any persuasion. I joined this list in 2002 for Mercedes content. Rant off. Dwight Giles 90 300D,82 300 CD. (In the old days we always put our cars in the signature) On Sep 16, 2014 6:42 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I'm not trying to stifle discussion but this topic has been gone over many a times. And I don't think there is anything new to throw in the mix. Whether an AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle or carbine is neither here nor there, I suppose they come in both full length and shortened versions? Sure the pro-gun mob prefer the term carbine and anti-gun crowd prefer assault rifle. Regarding our laws in Oz, I have said it many a times, if it gets that bad that I feel I need a weapon to defend myself against the crazies, I will move somewhere better. And just to remind you all, it's not illegal to own a firearm in Oz but you need to have a good reason to own one and home defence is not a suitable reason. As I have said before, I feel good that there are stringent controls in place, so not just any numpty can buy a weapon to shove in his missus face and make him feel like a big man. Or pull the trigger in a moment of depression. http://www.news.com.au/national/lockhart-shooting- wagga-wagga-community-reeling-after-hunt-family-tragedy/ story-fncynjr2-1227053811861 Hendrik who is going for an job interview this morning On 17/09/14 03:05, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: This is like one of those cliques you see at parties where three guys are engaged in animated conversation to the exclusion of everyone else, on a nerdy topic of no interest to the rest of the gathering. I feel like telling them to take it outside. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 12:56 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I echo what Hendrik wrote. Where's the Mercedes content? On Sep 16, 2014 11:54 AM, Addison Thompson via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Just to clarify, an AR-15 is often defined as a carbine, a short-barreled rifle. AT On Sep 16, 2014, at 5:00 AM, mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.com wrote: From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com Subject: [MBZ] OT Re: Subject: Re: N assault Date: September 15, 2014 8:53:55 PM PDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com And why are you stirring up emotions about this? This list has argued the point many times about weapon classification and usually it ends up in a somewhat heated debate. The article http://www.wral.com/homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-vance- county-break-in/13638825/ states a AR-15 rifle was used, which would suggest a full size weapon. It may well have been a carbine version but we don't know that for sure. Hendrik who owns no weapons be they for assault or defence, hmmnh perhaps in this case they could have called it a defence rifle, perhaps retreat rifle On 16/09/14 10:48, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Carbine? No no no, he used an ASSAULT RIFLE!!! If your local media had correctly identified the AR-15 as an ASSAULT RIFLE, Al Sharpton and CNN and all the rest could have breathlessly reported and agitated and stirred up the righteous we know better than you crowd, and distracted us all from the ballooning federal debt and the miserable economy and the creeping inflation of our fiat currency... Just think of the blue-state fund-raising opportunities that were missed! Max Dillon, ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: GRILLE badges
How dare you actually have an on topic message, here we are happily talking about aliens taking all our leaders off to some distant planet ruled by apes and you have to start blabbering about MB high mileage awards. Anyway it won't count until we see a pic of it on the grille. Plus those things are not available up here, not sure about Euroland but I do know of a Aussie fella who got a mate in the US to organize some awards for his Oz Mercs, not sure how he got away with it as the VIN is generally different to the US style VIN? Hendrik who has no bling on the grille but is due his 250k one and the 500k should be a couple of years away On 19/09/14 10:56, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Date: Sep 18, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: GRILLE badges To: clay redgh...@comcast.net Cc: Yes I have 250k kms ones on each of my two. Paint faded on one I had them send a new one. I am going for 500k badge for my 90 300D. On Sep 18, 2014 4:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I just got the high mileage award in the mail for Frosch. Nice big box with a small grille jewel and a folder. Pretty heavy medal, but not the cloisonné of the older examples. No need to be a club member, just own the marque. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: GRILLE badges
Sorry Hendrick. Back to aliens. I do have photos of both my badged grilles but not sure listmom will allow.. On Sep 18, 2014 9:49 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How dare you actually have an on topic message, here we are happily talking about aliens taking all our leaders off to some distant planet ruled by apes and you have to start blabbering about MB high mileage awards. Anyway it won't count until we see a pic of it on the grille. Plus those things are not available up here, not sure about Euroland but I do know of a Aussie fella who got a mate in the US to organize some awards for his Oz Mercs, not sure how he got away with it as the VIN is generally different to the US style VIN? Hendrik who has no bling on the grille but is due his 250k one and the 500k should be a couple of years away On 19/09/14 10:56, Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com Date: Sep 18, 2014 4:54 PM Subject: GRILLE badges To: clay redgh...@comcast.net Cc: Yes I have 250k kms ones on each of my two. Paint faded on one I had them send a new one. I am going for 500k badge for my 90 300D. On Sep 18, 2014 4:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I just got the high mileage award in the mail for Frosch. Nice big box with a small grille jewel and a folder. Pretty heavy medal, but not the cloisonné of the older examples. No need to be a club member, just own the marque. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Alien Politics
I was out practicing night operations tonight in the Cessna. I wonder is any of the locals reported me - flying low with all those flashing lights, in a semi-rural area at night??? We saw one UFO - but it seemed to be heading to Will Rogers airport - - - just because I couldn't identify it, doesn't mean it was piloted by aliens. I was too pre-occupied keeping the runway lights turned on on our 2500 ft. grass strip to take a picture of the UFO :-) On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 8:24 PM, Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Actually speaking of which, I swear I saw something in the sky while I was driving in Arizona. Driving along in a rental SUV (not a merc) in the middle of nowhere I looked to my 9 oclock and saw a shiny ball way off in the distance, looked at the road and looked back and it was gone. Anyway I don't particularly like those TV shows where people claim to have seem this or that, just more crap to fill the airwaves with. Given the proliferation of camera equipped phones, we should be seeing some footage of space ships any time soon but then with alien tech they can make themselves invisible to cameras. Hendrik who has his phone charged and ready to take pics -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: My website
Jim could not do it as he would have had to check his website in order to get the instructions on how to do it (like the rest of us) and his website is down. The site is alive and well in the basement. You just can't see it anywhere outside the house! Jim, what kind of things are you putting on this site? Just words and pictures, right? Not like massive downloadable files or anything, right? Words and pix, yep. To the tune of somewhat under 400MB now, most of that pictures in my wife's section. No, the _site_ wasn't purged, my memory (and notes) of alternate ways to set up the web site elsewhere than where it is right now is what got purged. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] We interrupt your politics to talk about: A car!
B2 piston - whazzat for? Shifts gears in the tranny. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Brother K'leb
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:28:51 -0700 clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/ptd/4661253817.html Maybe the new okie acres will have a shed for the better parts This posting has expired. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: GRILLE badges
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 22:02:40 -0400 Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Sorry Hendrick. Back to aliens. I do have photos of both my badged grilles but not sure listmom will allow.. Just attach them to an email and Dan will approve the email when he notices it. He's been pretty good about that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] [ADMIN] - Alien Politics
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:48:53 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was too pre-occupied keeping the runway lights turned on on our 2500 ft. grass strip to take a picture of the UFO :-) Runway lights? Bah, humbug! Who needs those?! :-) Don't you just double-click your mike and they come on? How long is their timeout set to? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
