[MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Last one I went to you go and plunk down your money and walk out with your purchase. I *think* they run a background check somehow but I don't recall. This aspect has the anti crowd all twisted up. --R On 10/29/14 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - SAM STORAGE FACILITY
SAM STORAGE FACILITY By Wilton Strickland My target the night of 27 Dec was a SAM storage facility near the SW edge of Hanoi. The air crewmen's demands for changes in tactics had taken effect, and tactics had changed drastically from those at the beginning of the campaign on the 18th. For example, four different cells of bombers (12 aircraft) released on this target from different directions and altitudes at the same time - the 4 cell leaders at the desired time on target and 15 seconds between each aircraft in each cell. True airspeed on the bomb run was 500 knots; 60 seconds before release, we descended 1000 feet and accelerated 10 knots; immediately after release, we descended another 1000 feet and accelerated another 10 knots. Withdrawal was to the east with about a 120-knot tail wind, producing a withdrawal ground speed of about 640 knots, twice that of previous withdrawals to the west. Several SAMs were fired at us, evidently in salvos (several at once) without guidance, but none was very effective. Luck was with us again, but all BUFFs were not so lucky - two in other target areas were lost this night. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
OMG. i hope it is just a bad photo. I have dark blue in my 124. On Oct 29, 2014 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Interesting. On the rental front at our local range, they say they have Beretta 3901s for their rental guns. Opinions? I'm looking for semi auto guns that might mimic a Remington 1100, for example.. Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Last one I went to you go and plunk down your money and walk out with your purchase. I *think* they run a background check somehow but I don't recall. This aspect has the anti crowd all twisted up. --R On 10/29/14 9:59 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: With the recent discussion raising my interest in possibly procuring said guns, I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. I would expect that buying a shotgun isn't an issue since the purchase requirements are limited. That being said, with what little I know about handgun purchases I was of the impression there is a waiting period involved. How would that work in an environment like a gun show? Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
Not I. Wilt - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 10:24 AM Subject: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really? Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - SAM STORAGE FACILITY
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:19:23 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: SAM STORAGE FACILITY By Wilton Strickland Thank you, Wilton, for your continued tales. Luck was with us again, but all BUFFs were not so lucky - two in other target areas were lost this night. Thank you to the men who gave their all. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - SAM STORAGE FACILITY
Thnks. Wilt - Original Message - From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - another non-political B-52 tale - SAM STORAGE FACILITY On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:19:23 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: SAM STORAGE FACILITY By Wilton Strickland Thank you, Wilton, for your continued tales. Luck was with us again, but all BUFFs were not so lucky - two in other target areas were lost this night. Thank you to the men who gave their all. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? I'm pretty sure that in FL you just have to pass the NICS check if buying from a dealer (and fill out all necessary paperwork) or hand over the cash if buying from an individual. As far as gunbroker is concerned, virtually everybody selling there is a dealer. If you could find a local private seller you could meet him face to face and do a paperless transaction. If he ships it to a FFL, the FFL has to log it into his bound book, and fill out the paperwork and run the NICS check to transfer it from his inventory to you, even though the FFL never owned it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Rednecks, all of ya:) Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:01 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 12:44 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
An attractive shade of blue but not for a car! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
The shade of blue reminds me: In early spring of '52, when I was 17, I was nearing high school graduation, and of course, wanted to attend the associated functions. The fashion for boys attending such functions at that time was a dark blue suit. I had not a proper suit since I was 10, and Mom and Dad could not afford to buy one for me. I had been working part-time in a grocery store for a couple of years, so I was making a little bit of money, but I didn't have enough to buy a suit. About this time a traveling salesman came along selling suits made-to-order. Such a suit would cost me $50 paid in five ten-dollar payments. I agreed to the plan, picked out the material and color from the salesman's swatches, and he took my measurements and had the suit tailored. I made the appropriate payments, and the suit arrived a day or two before the first graduation function. I got a quite surprise when I opened the package to find a suit in THAT shade of blue - a BRIGHT, royal blue! It was the material and color I had picked via the small swatches, and I was terribly disappointed, but I never said a word about it to anybody - just wore the embarrassing suit to the graduation functions and never wore it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really? An attractive shade of blue but not for a car! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
It depends on state law in the state the sale occurs. And if it involves interstate transactions, federal law applies. In California, ALL sales, including private party sales, have to be processed through an FFL licensed dealer and have a 10 day waiting period during which the receiving FFL dealer has to process the paperwork and background check. This applies to long guns as well as handguns. I could go into more detail but it's best to just say check with a local dealer to determine state law where you want to buy a gun before going into the deal. AT CL500 and Sig Sauer From: Jim Cathey jim.cathey...@gmail.com Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com That discussion will lead instantly to politics, so I would avoid it. At this date, private citizens may buy or sell freely, privately owned items. Prudence however would indicate you protect yourself by asking for some form of ID from the buyer, and a written bill of sale, which documents the sale showing you no longer possess the weapon and it's legal transfer of ownership on said date. Should the weapon be used for less than legal purpose in future you can show proof it was not in your possession at that time. This also protect the buyer, in that any claim the weapon was stolen can be put to rest with a legally executed document of sale. [at least prove YOU didn't steal it]. The term gun show loop hole is a handy 5 sec sound bite phrase used to inflame both sides of the issue. IMHO, the moral equal to yelling fire ! in a crowded theater when there is no fire. If it's legally owned, it can be legally sold. If you buy and sell as a commercial enterprise, you need a FFL and all the paperwork that comes with it under current law, which is all that really counts, all emotions aside. A wise man knows the laws before the prosecutor files the charge against him for inadvertently breaking one. Respectfully, Grant... From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com I certainly don't want to wander into the political side of this discussion for obvious reasons, I'm just curious as to the mechanics of such things never having experienced them. If I understand you correctly, sales like those that take place online, such as you would see at gunbroker.com, are considered private sales? I realize they require someone with an FFL to receive the gun, but there is nothing in the way of a background check or anything like that taking place with these transactions, correct? Thanks, Dan From: Mitch Haley mi...@mitchellhaley.com I'm pretty sure that in FL you just have to pass the NICS check if buying from a dealer (and fill out all necessary paperwork) or hand over the cash if buying from an individual. As far as gunbroker is concerned, virtually everybody selling there is a dealer. If you could find a local private seller you could meet him face to face and do a paperless transaction. If he ships it to a FFL, the FFL has to log it into his bound book, and fill out the paperwork and run the NICS check to transfer it from his inventory to you, even though the FFL never owned it. Mitch. From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols Date: October 29, 2014 11:01:28 AM PDT To: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com, Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Dan, I am not the end all of knowledge, so I defer to any and all greater and better informed to answer your question. My understanding for on line sales which involve interstate movement of the gun sold, or any non-personal contact requires the gun to be sent to a FFL licensed dealer, and the actual transfer then happens under the FFL dealers license, which DOES require a background check and all the BATFE required Federal Forms to be filled out and signed, etc etc etc.. Legally, under present law, I can not ship you a gun. I can however ship one to myself, subject to all the state and federal laws that may apply both in the state I am legally in when I ship, and the state I am legally in when I receive my own weapon. Complicated? yes. I suggest you become acquainted with a writer by name of Alan Korwin [friend of mine] [ http://www.gunlaws.com/ ] who specializes in writing books that address gun laws as they apply in different states and federal laws. If ignorance is bliss, prisons must be a blissful place. Be wise, be knowledgeable, be legal, be responsible, be a gun owner.. in that order.. is how I was taught. HTH, Grant... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
Great story. On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 3:01 PM, WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The shade of blue reminds me: In early spring of '52, when I was 17, I was nearing high school graduation, and of course, wanted to attend the associated functions. The fashion for boys attending such functions at that time was a dark blue suit. I had not a proper suit since I was 10, and Mom and Dad could not afford to buy one for me. I had been working part-time in a grocery store for a couple of years, so I was making a little bit of money, but I didn't have enough to buy a suit. About this time a traveling salesman came along selling suits made-to-order. Such a suit would cost me $50 paid in five ten-dollar payments. I agreed to the plan, picked out the material and color from the salesman's swatches, and he took my measurements and had the suit tailored. I made the appropriate payments, and the suit arrived a day or two before the first graduation function. I got a quite surprise when I opened the package to find a suit in THAT shade of blue - a BRIGHT, royal blue! It was the material and color I had picked via the small swatches, and I was terribly disappointed, but I never said a word about it to anybody - just wore the embarrassing suit to the graduation functions and never wore it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really? An attractive shade of blue but not for a car! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280- 300D-300TD-1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE-/321563391305?pt= Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeabf549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 14:31:33 -0400 dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: An attractive shade of blue but not for a car! The middle one looks fairly reasonable. I suspect the fellow used color filters or a graphics program to shift the colors. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell using WinXP . . . no flames please. Thanx. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Kim Komando says apple and gateway to the most reliable laptops. Gateway is not reliable as a desktop. I cant remember what she said for desktops, other than gateway was not reliable. You can look on komando.com, but I could not find the story from last Saturday. Dell is usually a safe choice unless you prefer to build your own. I prefer to build my own, then you don't end up with the advertisement screens and all the bloatware they install to try to get you to buy junk software. For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell using WinXP . . . no flames please. Thanx. G. M. Brown ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
On 29/10/2014 4:06 PM, G. M. Brown via Mercedes wrote: For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell using WinXP . . . no flames please. Thanx. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ Find a local IT guy and buy a used one. I deal with a small business that sells and services computers. I have bought a number of used computers over the years for $100 to $200 and have had very little trouble. One did not work and was replaced without any argument. They won't be state of the art and they may have some scratches on the case but that has not deterred me. Bigger companies often clear house and put in all new computers and these get sold by the pallet load to people like my guy who then flog them for a bit of profit. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Seriously, any Windows box should do the job. Look for a decent price and try to avoid any annoying things, like noisy fans or laptops that get too hot. You'll want Windows 7 (at least) or 8 and if you load the 64 bit version you can actually use all the RAM if you have over 3GB installed. Personally, I watch the deals at TigerDirect if I think I might need a new laptop in the next year and I check local stores (BestBuy, Walmart, Office Depot, etc.) when my desktop machine gets wonky. Desktop machines are essentially commodities these days; the main parameters are RAM size, hard disk size, CPU type/speed. DVD R-W, ports (USB, HDMI, Network, modem, etc.), display size and resolution, and Windows version. For your purposes, a really fast cutting edge machine would be a disadvantage because it would run hotter and the fan might be louder. Scott (not a computer professional) -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G. M. Brown via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 5:06 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell using WinXP . . . no flames please. Thanx. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Short answer: Sales at gun shows work exactly the same as they work anywhere else. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Scott I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really?
It's funny how color doesn't scale up. I've noticed this with paint and wallpaper too. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 3:01 PM To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really? The shade of blue reminds me: In early spring of '52, when I was 17, I was nearing high school graduation, and of course, wanted to attend the associated functions. The fashion for boys attending such functions at that time was a dark blue suit. I had not a proper suit since I was 10, and Mom and Dad could not afford to buy one for me. I had been working part-time in a grocery store for a couple of years, so I was making a little bit of money, but I didn't have enough to buy a suit. About this time a traveling salesman came along selling suits made-to-order. Such a suit would cost me $50 paid in five ten-dollar payments. I agreed to the plan, picked out the material and color from the salesman's swatches, and he took my measurements and had the suit tailored. I made the appropriate payments, and the suit arrived a day or two before the first graduation function. I got a quite surprise when I opened the package to find a suit in THAT shade of blue - a BRIGHT, royal blue! It was the material and color I had picked via the small swatches, and I was terribly disappointed, but I never said a word about it to anybody - just wore the embarrassing suit to the graduation functions and never wore it again. Wilton - Original Message - From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Blue W123 carpet set - really? An attractive shade of blue but not for a car! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Has anyone seen this shade of blue? http://www.ebay.com/itm/MERCEDES-W123-240-240D-280-300D-300TD- 1977-1985-CARPET-SET-BLUE- /321563391305?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorieshash=item4adeab f549vxp=mtr ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Because they have become more of a commodity than anything else, I would suggest a name brand laptop rather than a desktop machine. You didn't specify the form you wanted, but desktops are slowly dying out in favor of laptops, which have become so cheap that you can buy a very good one that will last some time for around $500. Stick with brands you know, like HP or Toshiba. Pick a price point like $500 and you will literally have more to choose from than you could ever imagine. From my last buying assistance trip with a good friend who is also my attorney, we identified what he wanted to do with the machine (word processing, email) and what attributes were important (storage space and display size.) Once we identified some parameters it was easy to go out and pick out 4-5 that met his requirements and narrow down a price range. I think he ended up buying an HP for around $600 from one of the office supply stores, Office Depot or Staples, as it was on sale at a good price. Buying a computer these days is like buying a DVD player. You go in to the store and you're faced with so many choices that do essentially the same thing it's difficult at best to pick one over the other. The funny thing about this whole exercise is that his daughter insisted that he talk to me, as I'm known to be a Mac person. She's an Apple devotee herself, and expected my recommendation to be a Mac. Wrong. While Apples are nice computers, there was absolutely no justification for him to drop +$1000 on a Mac when a good Windows machine less than half that price would serve all of his needs. Not to mention he was already familiar with Windows, too. I think she was a little unhappy with me over that. Might have been because she lost a bet with her Mom over what I would recommend. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Kim Komando says apple and gateway to the most reliable laptops. Gateway is not reliable as a desktop. I cant remember what she said for desktops, other than gateway was not reliable. You can look on komando.com, but I could not find the story from last Saturday. Dell is usually a safe choice unless you prefer to build your own. I prefer to build my own, then you don't end up with the advertisement screens and all the bloatware they install to try to get you to buy junk software. For the techies on the list, I'm considering a new computer . . . any suggestions? 90% of what I do is Email. I currently have an older Dell using WinXP . . . no flames please. Thanx. G. M. Brown ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
I've heard anecdotal tales about guns being bought and sold in the parking lot at gun shows, but they were just that - hearsay. I don't know anyone who has ever done it. Probably because the law has people wandering around offering to do just that to keep people safe/legal. Dan Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Short answer: Sales at gun shows work exactly the same as they work anywhere else. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Scott I was curious as to how purchases work at gun shows. Depends upon who's selling. If seller has a FFL he has to obey all the checks, waiting periods, etc. If a private citizen, nothing. That's the infamous loophole: private sales. Most of what you would see at a show is not privately held; none of what you would see at a store is. Private 'sales' covers a lot of ground in attempted legislation, things like family purchases, inheritance, gifts, loans, emergency situations, etc. The devil's usually in the details. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns
some kids got a lethal case of lead poison at one around here. Put the yutes to work on farms and they would be much healthier. I think I read about the Swiss moving kids to farms to get them healthy and beef up the economy. Program ran for hundreds of years and just tapered off in the late 1980's clay On Oct 28, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: You haven’t eaten in an elementary school recently, have you? Believe me, their lunches are unpalatable. Dan On Oct 28, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The obvious answer is to make school lunches unpalatable. And to make sure it works, ban parent packed lunches from school. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Shotguns/Pistols
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: I've heard anecdotal tales about guns being bought and sold in the parking lot at gun shows, but they were just that - hearsay. I don't know anyone who has ever done it. Probably because the law has people wandering around offering to do just that to keep people safe/legal. A favorite ATF stunt was to watch you buy a gun, and then walk up to you and offer you more than you paid for it so they could arrest you for 'dealing in firearms for profit without a license'. I hope they've cut that out by now, but there's plenty of other BS that I know they still engage in so who knows? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] any suggestions for a new computer
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Kim Komando says apple and gateway to the most reliable laptops. Gateway is not reliable as a desktop. I thought Gateway and Compaq were low end products from HP? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
