Re: [MBZ] ac compressor failure 300td 1982
On August 12, 2015 at 11:56 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: my perfect running 3 month old R4 compressor failed today. Are you sure it was mounted/clocked right-side up? The oil suck port (inside) needs to be DOWN. Isn't/wasn't there an X cast in to the body? I'm thinking oil starvation or wear from junk circulating in the lines takes longer and results in a rattling, wheezing death. The way he describes it, I wonder if the rebuilder didn't have it bolted together right. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Curly, Rick, Craig; Thanks! I'm going to see if I can figure out what the correct speedi-sleeve is and try that. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
OK, looks like the SKF seal is 17907 = inside diameter = 45.01mm, = speedi-sleeve part# is 99177 (standard) or 99830 (gold higher quality / longer lasting). The SKF website and the speedi-sleeve catalog both caution that the correct size is determined by measuring the shaft, I can't do that until I take the hub off. I called local auto parts warehouse, Parks, and they carry the Timken equivalent of the SKF speedi-sleev and have the same size and the next size up and down in stock, so the odds are good that when I take the hub off, I can buy the repair sleeve kit (about $40) the same day and get the car back on the road quickly. I called several local bearing supply places, including two that are SKF distributors, and they don't keep ANY repair sleeves in stock. We can get that for you in a couple days doesn't cut it. I do not want to take the car out of service to remove and measure the hub, order the sleeve, wait 2-3 days and then put it all back together. - Max Charleston SC Agreed, that is is bad to have the car down for a week waiting on parts. The sleeve I got was loose, but I installed it with loctite, and I expect no problems. too small to get it on the hub without damage is another deal. I'd suggest putting the sleeve on a block of wood, then set the vibration damper hub on top evenly and bump the hub with a rubber hammer. The damper is larger and more easily kept parallel to the wood surface. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Even better! Timken catalogs for their seal applications list both the replacement seal from the MB part number and the Redi-sleeve part number. In this case the Timken part number is KWK99177. I'm going to stop by Parks tonight on the way home and buy it if they have it. Their price is about twice what I would pay on Amazon if I wanted to wait ten days or longer, but I love to have a local parts place that not only has a huge selection and good stuff, but they stay open until midnight 7 days a week, so I'll pay the extra and maybe I can knock this repair out this weekend. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Agreed, that is is bad to have the car down for a week waiting on parts. The sleeve I got was loose, but I installed it with loctite, and I expect no problems. too small to get it on the hub without damage is another deal. I'd suggest putting the sleeve on a block of wood, then set the vibration damper hub on top evenly and bump the hub with a rubber hammer. The damper is larger and more easily kept parallel to the wood surface. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 300td compressor failure
this is the part number for the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fss-58228 and the one i bought had mercedes as the correct application i think the business about SPECIAL MERCEDES COMPRESSER is an old wive's tale unless someone can show me some good documentation remember it IS A CHEVY GM compressor, not something from the high heat of the black forest deserts so called four seasons is supposed to be a legitimate after everyone selling them is using the same photo and same part number as far as orientation, there is only one clock position for mounting that allows the line assembly to be connected what are the current best deals on coupons for auto zone advance o'reilly etc if i can get a $50 off they are competitive thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
OK, looks like the SKF seal is 17907 = inside diameter = 45.01mm, = speedi-sleeve part# is 99177 (standard) or 99830 (gold higher quality / longer lasting). The SKF website and the speedi-sleeve catalog both caution that the correct size is determined by measuring the shaft, I can't do that until I take the hub off. I called local auto parts warehouse, Parks, and they carry the Timken equivalent of the SKF speedi-sleev and have the same size and the next size up and down in stock, so the odds are good that when I take the hub off, I can buy the repair sleeve kit (about $40) the same day and get the car back on the road quickly. I called several local bearing supply places, including two that are SKF distributors, and they don't keep ANY repair sleeves in stock. We can get that for you in a couple days doesn't cut it. I do not want to take the car out of service to remove and measure the hub, order the sleeve, wait 2-3 days and then put it all back together. - Max Charleston SC On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Curly, Rick, Craig; Thanks! I'm going to see if I can figure out what the correct speedi-sleeve is and try that. - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td compressor failure
TRT30 and PS20 both work for Advanced Auto. Dan Sent from my iPad On Aug 13, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: this is the part number for the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fss-58228 and the one i bought had mercedes as the correct application i think the business about SPECIAL MERCEDES COMPRESSER is an old wive's tale unless someone can show me some good documentation remember it IS A CHEVY GM compressor, not something from the high heat of the black forest deserts so called four seasons is supposed to be a legitimate after everyone selling them is using the same photo and same part number as far as orientation, there is only one clock position for mounting that allows the line assembly to be connected what are the current best deals on coupons for auto zone advance o'reilly etc if i can get a $50 off they are competitive thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Supposed to be upper 90s here all next week and weekend, so I had to put off treating my bees for mites for a couple weeks. I want to kill the mites, not the bees! I'm ready for fall, but then after living in Canada for three years I'm ALWAYS ready for fall around here Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
Is the lowest price I've seen here, earlier this afternoon. Just filled my tank for an effective price of $1.84, 20% off $2.299 with a discount gas card from local grocery chain. North Charleston, Rivers near I526, if you're looking. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 $2.01 to 2.07 reported in the gulf coast Mobile-Gufpo't area. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Benzin is up 15¢/gal here. Presumably due to the political circus at the state fair and the universities about to crank up mean a fair number of people moving around. $2.68 again. An obvious ripoff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
GMANN sez: World wide, crude oil prices continue to fall.. last price I saw was was $44.++ per barrel... over two weeks ago. Dollar value [the world exchange currency for oil purchase] has risen as oil price has fallen.. The price of fuel tax remains the same or has risen Demand is down, car owners are driving less due to bad economy and high fuel prices.. Someone do the math on all that... Ja, and here, they could not pass the 10¢ raise in gas/dissel tax, so the speaker (socialist=R) canned 2 people of the committee who rightly opposed the tax, put himself on the committee along with a yes man, passed the dead bill out of committee, rammed it through the (socialist) house, got a quick rubber stamp in the (marxist) senate, and the (socialist) goobernator's autograph all before anyone knew the legislature was open fer biz. And not a normal bill, implemented the following July 1, but an emergency bill that went into effect within a week. That's called a democratic process (in the USSR) Any wunder folks is likin' donal? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
The local monopoly gas station chain jumped the prices of reg from 2.12 2 days ago to 2.45 today. Diesel still remains 2.08 to 2.18 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lowest price I've seen here, earlier this afternoon. Just filled my tank for an effective price of $1.84, 20% off $2.299 with a discount gas card from local grocery chain. North Charleston, Rivers near I526, if you're looking. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Welcome to the South! Around here it’s been in the mid to low 80s due to al the rain we’ve had, but the heat index has been around 100F for the last month or two. Just hydrate heavily and take breaks. I spent about eight hours in it on Saturday parting out the S500. Dan On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Supposed to be upper 90s here all next week and weekend, so I had to put off treating my bees for mites for a couple weeks. I want to kill the mites, not the bees! I'm ready for fall, but then after living in Canada for three years I'm ALWAYS ready for fall around here Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
World wide, crude oil prices continue to fall.. last price I saw was was $44.++ per barrel... over two weeks ago. Dollar value [the world exchange currency for oil purchase] has risen as oil price has fallen.. The price of fuel tax remains the same or has risen Demand is down, car owners are driving less due to bad economy and high fuel prices.. Someone do the math on all that... On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 4:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Is the lowest price I've seen here, earlier this afternoon. Just filled my tank for an effective price of $1.84, 20% off $2.299 with a discount gas card from local grocery chain. North Charleston, Rivers near I526, if you're looking. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 $2.01 to 2.07 reported in the gulf coast Mobile-Gufpo't area. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Benzin is up 15¢/gal here. Presumably due to the political circus at the state fair and the universities about to crank up mean a fair number of people moving around. $2.68 again. An obvious ripoff. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td compressor failure
Alex, I'll take the Roll Guy kit for $500 -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 13, 2015 6:59:58 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Rick Sez: this is the part number for the one i bought http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fss-58228 so called four seasons is supposed to be a legitimate after Four Seasons used to have a bad reputation. IIRC, Dr. Fats was recommending a compressor that was manufactured in Texas. Seems to me this is the best solution, but not cheap. http://www.klimakit.com/product/w123-sanden-sd-ac-compressor-upgrade-kit/ http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w123-e-ce-d-cd-td/2349089-sanden-style-c-compressor-mounting-kit.html http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-W123-AC-Compressor-Mounting-Conversion-Kit-Sanden-240D-300D-TD-CD-/111742113022?hash=item1a045954fevxp=mtr Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td compressor failure
Here's the one fats recommended. Behr https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-a-c-compressor-0002304711 Here it is cheaper. http://www.eeuroparts.com/Parts/54627/A-C-Compressor-490F100/ Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
I was out yesterday and chainsawed and split at least a cord of wood (with a gas-driven log splitter). It was high 80s, maybe 90. There's nothing I like more for doing that kind of work than a cool-to-cold Fall day where you have to keep moving to keep warm. Gets the job done faster, no sweat, no bugs, no problems. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] $2.239
Is the lowest price I've seen here, earlier this afternoon. Just filled my tank for an effective price of $1.84, 20% off $2.299 with a discount gas card from local grocery chain. North Charleston, Rivers near I526, if you're looking. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Where's here, Peter? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 13, 2015 6:55:22 PM EDT, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Supposed to be upper 90s here all next week and weekend, so I had to put off treating my bees for mites for a couple weeks. I want to kill the mites, not the bees! I'm ready for fall, but then after living in Canada for three years I'm ALWAYS ready for fall around here Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
G Mann sez: World wide, crude oil prices continue to fall.. last price I saw was was $44.++ per barrel... over two weeks ago. Dollar value [the world exchange currency for oil purchase] has risen as oil price has fallen.. The price of fuel tax remains the same or has risen Demand is down, car owners are driving less due to bad economy and high fuel prices.. Someone do the math on all that... BP did the math. And here's their answer. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2015/08/13/BPs-Whiting-refinery-handicapped-for-several-weeks/4731439461249/ Better article http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-11/one-indiana-refinery-breakdown-ripples-through-u-s-oil-market Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Being short an employee I have been driving to Arkansas 3 days a week and spending 8-10 hours a day all day out on dealers lots. Very very hot work Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Welcome to the South! Around here it’s been in the mid to low 80s due to al the rain we’ve had, but the heat index has been around 100F for the last month or two. Just hydrate heavily and take breaks. I spent about eight hours in it on Saturday parting out the S500. Dan On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Supposed to be upper 90s here all next week and weekend, so I had to put off treating my bees for mites for a couple weeks. I want to kill the mites, not the bees! I'm ready for fall, but then after living in Canada for three years I'm ALWAYS ready for fall around here Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is bad
Meade wrote: Someday when I've got some time to play (maybe today, depending on weather) I will try making a perfect box with string around the perimeter of the car, then measure / adjust the toe-in. Another way would be to make two parallel lines with string, then drive the car between and measure/adjust. Would be so nice to have a pit or a lift for this work. On my 123s and my domestics I use a laser level against the front rim pointing to a cardboard target attached to the back rim. It has worked well for my cars for years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
There you go. Problem solved. To much cheap oil, just shut down a refinery for a few months... EPA has not allowed a new refinery to be built in over 25 years anywhere in the USA. Existing refinery capacity is limited by antiquated equipment which has been patched together repeatedly while trying to meet ever more stringent EPA regulations. A new refinery, built from scratch would use more efficient component parts, built to latest EPA standards, however, EPA will not permit new construction, along with various environmental groups protesting. Thus... we are refinery limited, which drives up the cost per gallon. Better living through government regulation, yet again. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: G Mann sez: World wide, crude oil prices continue to fall.. last price I saw was was $44.++ per barrel... over two weeks ago. Dollar value [the world exchange currency for oil purchase] has risen as oil price has fallen.. The price of fuel tax remains the same or has risen Demand is down, car owners are driving less due to bad economy and high fuel prices.. Someone do the math on all that... BP did the math. And here's their answer. http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2015/08/13/BPs-Whiting-refinery-handicapped-for-several-weeks/4731439461249/ Better article http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-11/one-indiana-refinery-breakdown-ripples-through-u-s-oil-market Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Have the Timken sleeve in hand, probably going to install this weekend. Oil leak requires a quart every 500 miles now. Back of the car is coated, nasty. I may wash the engine tonight to ensure the leak is REALLY at the crank seal, no reason why it couldn't be something else, but that crank seal is the prime suspect for now. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Have the Timken sleeve in hand, probably going to install this weekend. Oil leak requires a quart every 500 miles now. Back of the car is coated, nasty. Whaddya mean, nasty? Back of the car is _rustproofed_. Charge extra for that... I may wash the engine tonight to ensure the leak is REALLY at the crank seal, no reason why it couldn't be something else, but that crank seal is the prime suspect for now. Dude! Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches! The chain tensioner is a heavy leaker, at times. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
For my '75 Dodge van rear evaporator in '75, I ran regular, rubber AC hose from engine compartment under the vehicle (secured by tie wraps/zip ties) and up a rear, inside corner (covered on inside by a factory panel) to the evap mounted on ceiling immediately inside the rear doors. Still working great when I sold the van 17 years later. Wilton - Original Message - From: ned kleinhenz via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: ned kleinhenz ned.kleinh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c Thanks to everybody for the advice and enlightenment. For the most part, you have all reinforced what I was thinking. Just wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything. Actually, the evaporator itself is probably not leaking. The service adviser described the leaks as being in the o-ring joints that connect the several lengths of aluminum tubing connecting the front condenser to the rear evaporator setup. Those joints were all too corroded to separate. Presumably the tubing connections at the rear evaporator were similarly corroded. Of course the dealer's solution is to rip it all out and replace it. And from a dealer's -spare no cost to the customer- perspective this makes some sense. When I googled the problem, I saw some photos that showed the couplings are aluminum, tapped and held together with steel bolts. As you would expect, a little road salt would make the dis-similar metals fuse into an inseparable mass. It would take mucho time, skill and tools to replace just those joints. My wife says she doesn't care about the rear air conditioning, now that the kids left the nest. So I'll probably plug or bypass, as appropriate, the lines to the rear. To keep the records accurate, I can't speak extensively about Toyota, but this Sienna has been remarkably trouble free for the last 175,000 miles. The four Mercedes diesels I've driven over the past 30 years have never had an air conditioner failure. The only significant air conditioner failure we have ever experienced was in a Dodge Caravan my wife previously drove. Thanks again for the advice and help, Ned Kleinhenz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] heat
Don't know how you folks down south survive. It is about 92 here today and although I claim to like it warm, this is about warm enough for me. Supposed to drop back off to more reasonable tempertures by about Sunday. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
I was out yesterday and chainsawed and split at least a cord of wood (with a gas-driven log splitter). It was high 80s, maybe 90. Just have to keep consuming mass quantities of water, take breaks every little while. I actually like it warm, after spending my first 45 years in cold winters. --R On 8/13/15 5:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Don't know how you folks down south survive. It is about 92 here today and although I claim to like it warm, this is about warm enough for me. Supposed to drop back off to more reasonable tempertures by about Sunday. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
I've got a buddy with a firewood processor, logs go in, split pieces come out. Its much more effective to help him with that and get the friend price than to do any wood myself. I went over last night and we hauled two pickup loads (more than a cord) back to my place. It was in the high '70s and I rapidly realized I should have brought shorts with me... My trip to the Philippines in June actually helped me acclimate to the temps here. It was never cooler than the mid '90s the 10 days I was there. In November I'll spend a freezing week at deer camp which will help acclimate me to winter. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] heat I was out yesterday and chainsawed and split at least a cord of wood (with a gas-driven log splitter). It was high 80s, maybe 90. Just have to keep consuming mass quantities of water, take breaks every little while. I actually like it warm, after spending my first 45 years in cold winters. --R On 8/13/15 5:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: Don't know how you folks down south survive. It is about 92 here today and although I claim to like it warm, this is about warm enough for me. Supposed to drop back off to more reasonable tempertures by about Sunday. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td compressor failure
i think the business about SPECIAL MERCEDES COMPRESSER is an old wive's tale unless someone can show me some good documentation I found this quote: I called Delphi customer service today and talked with a 30+ year verteran. He pulled their documentation on the r4 unit and they recommend installing it with the X in the up position but on the same hand he said it does not matter. The oil is splashing around in there so much that the front bearing is going to get some lube on it no matter where the X is. He stated that in working there for 30 years that this was the first time anyone has ever asked this question and that they have a MB trained tech on staff and he reiterated the same thing - that it should not make any difference in the life of the compressor. I will be replacing a one year old new locked up compressor this coming weekend and hopefully will be able to take the old compressor apart to determine its failure mode. And on the other hand this: Any one you get that does NOT come from Mercedes will have the front bearing cover installed UPSIDE DOWN. Look at the cover on the front behind the clutch. It will have 4 bolts. Between 2 of the bolts will be an embossed X. This is the position of the oil hole to lube the front bearing. The R4 compressor was originally designed for GM cars with the compressor mounted on top of the engine. The X and the inlet/outlet port is UP. Mercedes used the compressor but rotated it 180 degrees and mounted it under the engine. This put the ports DOWN. Then they rotated the front cover so the X is UP. Oil does NOT flow uphill. If you use an aftermarket compressor with the X down, you will starve the front bearing of oil. It may last a week, amonth, 6 months depends on the quality of the bearing they put in. I have received feedback on that information confirming that it is basically correct. That DOES NOT Mean that if you mount an R-4 upside down, it will fail prematurely - only that it is much more likely to fail prematurely if you mount it upside down. I have had many people dispute this and tell me that, I mounted my compressor without an X on it and it's still working 10-15 years later. No argument, but there really is a reason why Mercedes marked their compressors and most of the guys I've spoken with that do this for a living (and don't want comebacks) insure that they use compressors configured to work on a Mercedes. Marshall--Marshall Booth Ph.D.Ass't Prof. (ret.)Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
AC, or get on the water. We're having a cool spell, highs in the 80's for the past week or so. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BLUETEC question
It's all the same. I get mine at el Mercado de Wal for 8 or 9 bux for 3 1/2 gal., which will take me around 5,000 miles or so. Some say the stuff at the pumps may have contamination problems, and I have no interest in hanging around at the pump to fill up under the hood. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Giles via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 6:25 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Dwight Giles Subject: [MBZ] BLUETEC question The local fuel station where i fuel my 300D 300CD has a box on top of the diesel pump labeled diesel exhaust fluid. Is that the generic kitty p..s for bluetecs? Kids that run pumps have no clue. Not that I want one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BLUETEC question
Well it is for cars that require def. not all MB bluetec need it, but after about 09 they all do. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 8:25 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: The local fuel station where i fuel my 300D 300CD has a box on top of the diesel pump labeled diesel exhaust fluid. Is that the generic kitty p..s for bluetecs? Kids that run pumps have no clue. Not that I want one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT streetlights in the country
I have lived out in the country for many years, but now live even further out on a ranch/farm. Why do all farms/ranches have a street light on their power poll? When we turned on the power they asked us if we wanted it turned on and it's like $5 a month I believe. Problem is when you go outside at night it's lite up like, well, a street light. It comes on at dark and turns off at light. I'm thinking about calling them and telling them to turn it off. The stars would be brilliant without it and it is annoying when trying to watch the meteor shower. So anybody know of any major reason that all farms seem to have these? I think I would put up motion flood lights that I can turn off. I don't mind the light but would like to be able to turn it off. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Meh. As my Dad would have said, “It builds character”. BS. Dan On Aug 13, 2015, at 8:26 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Being short an employee I have been driving to Arkansas 3 days a week and spending 8-10 hours a day all day out on dealers lots. Very very hot work Sent from my iPhone On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:01 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Welcome to the South! Around here it’s been in the mid to low 80s due to al the rain we’ve had, but the heat index has been around 100F for the last month or two. Just hydrate heavily and take breaks. I spent about eight hours in it on Saturday parting out the S500. Dan On Aug 13, 2015, at 6:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Supposed to be upper 90s here all next week and weekend, so I had to put off treating my bees for mites for a couple weeks. I want to kill the mites, not the bees! I'm ready for fall, but then after living in Canada for three years I'm ALWAYS ready for fall around here Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Already replaced the seal for the chain tensioner, immediately after the head was installed and the first seal leaked because I wasn't careful and let the seal get cock-eyed while tightening. The other possible leakers I can think of are the vacuum pump/gasket and the timing case cracking at the serpentine belt tensioner mount. I may put some newspaper or cardboard under it in the driveway and spray a couple cans of brake cleaner to wash off the front of the engine, that may be enough to locate the leak. -- Max Dillon If it is leaking that much, the oil will have washed a clean pathway below whatever is leaking. If it is the front mail seal, there will be a clean oily path below with dirt stuck in the oil around the river where it is washed clean. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Curly, The Dodge was an '88 Grand Caravan. It's A/C compressor failed IIRC. Ned I suspected it was pre-MB. The 97 and later vans are pretty good. By 99 they were pretty dependable. the little square boxyones like your 88 had problems. I've had 99, 2000 and 09 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: EPA
Curly wrote: But WHO hired the contractor? I'm guessing the EPA (expensive pollution agency) wrote the specs and hired the contractor. That means the expensive pollution agency is responsible. If they'd have left it alone, nothing would have happened. This is a whole lotta stuff in the river in one slug but every wastewater plant in the country discharges the same amount over time. The solution to pollution is dilution. Animas River is a good enough dilution source. The pollution will not be noticed over time. i.e. look at dead zones in the Mississippi River delta. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wheels for Wilton
Or maybe a new ride for boy Penoff? They don't have potholes in Tampa, do they? http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5171059572.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
A week ago, gas was about 2.33 here (87 octane gasahol). Now it's 2.99, and 93 octane is 3.39-3.59. It might as well be 2012 again. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Here in D.C. we had 12 straight days above 90 but now it's settled into the 80s with clear skies, low humidity. Nightime in the 50s and low 60s. Perfect. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Being short an employee I have been driving to Arkansas 3 days a week and spending 8-10 hours a day all day out on dealers lots. Very very hot work Sent from my iPhone and humid ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT streetlights in the country
It's so the criminals that come from the city to rob you can see at night I would vote for motion lights with on/off manual switch instead. On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 9:14 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I have lived out in the country for many years, but now live even further out on a ranch/farm. Why do all farms/ranches have a street light on their power poll? When we turned on the power they asked us if we wanted it turned on and it's like $5 a month I believe. Problem is when you go outside at night it's lite up like, well, a street light. It comes on at dark and turns off at light. I'm thinking about calling them and telling them to turn it off. The stars would be brilliant without it and it is annoying when trying to watch the meteor shower. So anybody know of any major reason that all farms seem to have these? I think I would put up motion flood lights that I can turn off. I don't mind the light but would like to be able to turn it off. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WTB: crankshaft hub
Already replaced the seal for the chain tensioner, immediately after the head was installed and the first seal leaked because I wasn't careful and let the seal get cock-eyed while tightening. The other possible leakers I can think of are the vacuum pump/gasket and the timing case cracking at the serpentine belt tensioner mount. I may put some newspaper or cardboard under it in the driveway and spray a couple cans of brake cleaner to wash off the front of the engine, that may be enough to locate the leak. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 13, 2015 7:55:33 PM EDT, Jim Cathey via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dude! Way better to be sure _before_ you get out the wrenches! The chain tensioner is a heavy leaker, at times. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is bad
How do you measure toe-in that way? In other words, how do you calibrate the laser pointer? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 13, 2015 8:31:56 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On my 123s and my domestics I use a laser level against the front rim pointing to a cardboard target attached to the back rim. It has worked well for my cars for years now. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is bad
How do you measure toe-in that way? In other words, how do you calibrate the laser pointer? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Trigonometry. Length of the long leg of a tringle, Length of the short leg, angle between the long leg and the hypotenuse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheels for Wilton
What kind of accent is that? Bulgarian? On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 10:53 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Or maybe a new ride for boy Penoff? They don't have potholes in Tampa, do they? http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5171059572.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT streetlights in the country
It's security lighting. It's convenient to just have the power company install/activate one, assuming it's in a good location. Cost is about the same. But you won't be able to turn it off. I installed my own photo-eye lights (sodium and mercury vapor) on my barn with switches so I can control them. That also let me place them where I wanted them vs the existing poles. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 12:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] OT streetlights in the country I have lived out in the country for many years, but now live even further out on a ranch/farm. Why do all farms/ranches have a street light on their power poll? When we turned on the power they asked us if we wanted it turned on and it's like $5 a month I believe. Problem is when you go outside at night it's lite up like, well, a street light. It comes on at dark and turns off at light. I'm thinking about calling them and telling them to turn it off. The stars would be brilliant without it and it is annoying when trying to watch the meteor shower. So anybody know of any major reason that all farms seem to have these? I think I would put up motion flood lights that I can turn off. I don't mind the light but would like to be able to turn it off. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] $2.239
G Mann writes: EPA has not allowed a new refinery to be built in over 25 years anywhere in the USA. Existing refinery capacity is limited by antiquated equipment which has been patched together repeatedly while trying to meet ever more stringent EPA regulations. BP in Whiting, IN dumped a butt ton of money into their refinery a few years ago. I suspect this outage is because someone hit the wrong switch or something. Wink, Wink, nudge,nudge. http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/press/press-releases/bp-starts-up-new-crude-unit-at-whiting-refinery.html http://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/bp-completes-construction-on-refinery-project/article_c8c57491-35ed-51c5-a6ac-a7139d84fac7.html And yeah, the EPA does get in the way a bit. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-10-17/news/chi-bp-pollution-archive-20131017_1_whiting-refinery-u-s-refinery-massive-refinery Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is bad
Yabut how do you know the laser beam is parallel to the rim of the front wheel? If the laser is not parallel, all that work means nothing. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On August 13, 2015 10:14:22 PM EDT, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: How do you measure toe-in that way? In other words, how do you calibrate the laser pointer? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 Trigonometry. Length of the long leg of a tringle, Length of the short leg, angle between the long leg and the hypotenuse. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] This is bad
On August 13, 2015 at 10:35 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yabut how do you know the laser beam is parallel to the rim of the front wheel? If the laser is not parallel, all that work means nothing. Reminds me of a wheel alignment article I saw in a motorcycle magazine in the 1970s. Tie a string around the front of the wheel, attach the other end to something you can move around, like a jug of oil. When the string is just barely touching the back edge of the tire, it's parallel to the tire. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Mini-van dual zone a/c
Curly, The Dodge was an '88 Grand Caravan. It's A/C compressor failed IIRC. Ned ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BLUETEC question
The local fuel station where i fuel my 300D 300CD has a box on top of the diesel pump labeled diesel exhaust fluid. Is that the generic kitty p..s for bluetecs? Kids that run pumps have no clue. Not that I want one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heat
Being short an employee I have been driving to Arkansas 3 days a week and spending 8-10 hours a day all day out on dealers lots. Very very hot work Sent from my iPhone and humid ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
