Re: [MBZ] Amazon recommends "URO Parts 0004661880 Power..." and more

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I seem to recall Jabba telling me that URO motor mounts were OK but most of 
their other stuff was garbage.


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> I guess Amazon is pimping Uro parts now that the bozos bots see I buy Benz 
> parts
>
> That part is a power steering pump gasket which reminds me I should 
> probably get one that isn’t Uro
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 250 Coupe 2D,$8,000

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Yes and who would trust a car owned by a “pimp”?

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 6:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks so much cooler with the original hubcaps.
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>Seller's Description
>> 
>> Facebook won't let me post the correct model type. This is a 1972
>> Mercedes 250C W114. It has the 2.5L(M114) with a twin Weber carb. I also
>> have the OEM Zenith carb in the trunk if wanted to make factory spec.
>> This is a rare car. Only 67.048 coupés were made from 1969 to 1976
>> against 1,852,008 saloons. Of these 24,669 were "280CE" and 42,379
>> "250CE" worldwide. This car comes equipped with an automatic
>> transmission with the hard to find column shifter rather than the center
>> shifter. It is a four speed automatic. When I got the car it didn't even
>> run or drive. The engine wasn't working and the transmission was dead.
>> It has been garaged kept since owning it and now it is running and
>> driving; but unfortunately haven't had time to restore the body. All
>> electrics work fine, all four windows are powered and work. The car has
>> some body rust in the lower panels and will need restoring. Comes with a
>> clean title, W114 manuals, 2 sets of rims(rare chrome monoblocks rims
>> and the OEM caps and tires like the last example picture shown)
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/443899267418138
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The Jewel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

True enough, there were 2 blues in the 201 that I know of, I like them both.

-Curt

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 08:54:55 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel 
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The value is in the color. If it were boring beige the price would be 50% off.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 8:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes  
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> Automatic, meh.
> 
> I got to drive one with a 5spd, felt much more fun than the 2.2l I had which 
> was more fun than a 240D.
> 
> 201 is a cost reduced car compared to a 123 but that 4 link suspension 
> handles so good...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 
>  On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 07:56:57 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/918660195468841/
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon recommends "URO Parts 0004661880 Power..." and more

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Haha yeah I looked to get one a few months back and they were like $2 but 
shipping was $7 or something ridiculous. I should pop by the stealer and get 
one I guess. 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 8:06 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-02-15 19:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I guess Amazon is pimping Uro parts now that the bozos bots see I buy Benz 
>> parts
>> That part is a power steering pump gasket which reminds me I should
>> probably get one that isn’t Uro
> 
> My dealer will sell me 3 that hopefully aren't sourced from ÜRO Parts for 
> that kind of money. Don't need a part number, the counterman knows what you 
> want.
> 
> But didn't I hear 5-10 years ago that ÜRO Parts was a MBZ OEM?
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Re: [MBZ] The Jewel

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The value is in the color. If it were boring beige the price would be 50%
off.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 8:35 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Automatic, meh.
>
> I got to drive one with a 5spd, felt much more fun than the 2.2l I had
> which was more fun than a 240D.
>
> 201 is a cost reduced car compared to a 123 but that 4 link suspension
> handles so good...
>
> -Curt
>
>
>  On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 07:56:57 PM EST, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes <
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> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/918660195468841/
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Re: [MBZ] The Jewel

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Automatic, meh.

I got to drive one with a 5spd, felt much more fun than the 2.2l I had which 
was more fun than a 240D.

201 is a cost reduced car compared to a 123 but that 4 link suspension handles 
so good...

-Curt


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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/918660195468841/

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Re: [MBZ] The Jewel

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

To answer your question, if mama likes it then it is worth buying at whatever 
price it’s offered at. It does look quite nice though. That’s a million mile 
car!  60mpg on free vegetable oil!

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> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/918660195468841/
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Re: [MBZ] Amazon recommends "URO Parts 0004661880 Power..." and more

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-02-15 19:55, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
I guess Amazon is pimping Uro parts now that the bozos bots see I buy 
Benz parts


That part is a power steering pump gasket which reminds me I should
probably get one that isn’t Uro



My dealer will sell me 3 that hopefully aren't sourced from ÜRO Parts 
for that kind of money. Don't need a part number, the counterman knows 
what you want.


But didn't I hear 5-10 years ago that ÜRO Parts was a MBZ OEM?

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[MBZ] The Jewel

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/918660195468841/

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[MBZ] Amazon recommends "URO Parts 0004661880 Power..." and more

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I guess Amazon is pimping Uro parts now that the bozos bots see I buy Benz parts

That part is a power steering pump gasket which reminds me I should probably 
get one that isn’t Uro

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Re: [MBZ] What’s a Fair Price For This Jewel?

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All right…hang on

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:53 PM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> First I'll have to consult Carnac on the meaning of the word "this"...
> 
> 
>> On 2022-02-15 19:47, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is “cute” SWMBO said.
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Re: [MBZ] What’s a Fair Price For This Jewel?

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First I'll have to consult Carnac on the meaning of the word "this"...


On 2022-02-15 19:47, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

This is “cute” SWMBO said.
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Re: [MBZ] What’s a Fair Price For This Jewel?

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Link?

--FT
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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 7:48 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> This is “cute” SWMBO said. 
> 
> AZBob
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[MBZ] What’s a Fair Price For This Jewel?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

This is “cute” SWMBO said. 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Shop Manual

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have the manual on CD. Not as good as paper but I can send you a link to a 
copy for only $100. A bargain at half the price!

--FT
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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:32 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I found
> one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
> Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
> Thanks,
> Dwight
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Off-road adventure 2007 Hummer H3 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 234

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Should be easy to get the transmission, IF it is still upside down.


On 15/02/2022 5:38 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Has lots of good parts still.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:40 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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oops

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271852881595864

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Re: [MBZ] Off-road adventure 2007 Hummer H3 Sport Utility 4D, $1, 234

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Has lots of good parts still.

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> oops
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271852881595864
>
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Re: [MBZ] Code Readers

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

For basic check engine light stuff, but that’s it 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> 
> Can one use any old code reader on a 2000 ML? 
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 250 Coupe 2D,$8,000

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Looks so much cooler with the original hubcaps.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:32 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Seller's Description
>
> Facebook won't let me post the correct model type. This is a 1972
> Mercedes 250C W114. It has the 2.5L(M114) with a twin Weber carb. I also
> have the OEM Zenith carb in the trunk if wanted to make factory spec.
> This is a rare car. Only 67.048 coupés were made from 1969 to 1976
> against 1,852,008 saloons. Of these 24,669 were "280CE" and 42,379
> "250CE" worldwide. This car comes equipped with an automatic
> transmission with the hard to find column shifter rather than the center
> shifter. It is a four speed automatic. When I got the car it didn't even
> run or drive. The engine wasn't working and the transmission was dead.
> It has been garaged kept since owning it and now it is running and
> driving; but unfortunately haven't had time to restore the body. All
> electrics work fine, all four windows are powered and work. The car has
> some body rust in the lower panels and will need restoring. Comes with a
> clean title, W114 manuals, 2 sets of rims(rare chrome monoblocks rims
> and the OEM caps and tires like the last example picture shown)
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/443899267418138
>
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Re: [MBZ] Needs transmission and battery, everything else is fine 2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class CLK 350 Coupe 2D, $2, 500

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

It literally has no transmission.

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> hmmm how about that engine?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Code Readers

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You can for generic OBDII codes but that'll only give you the most generic 
information. For real troubleshooting you want at least a high end code reader 
like Snap on, or the real MB.

That said I've got a really cheap OBDII reader that connects to my phone and 
it's paid for itself many times over...

-Curt


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Can one use any old code reader on a 2000 ML? 

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[MBZ] Code Readers

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Can one use any old code reader on a 2000 ML? 

AZBob

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Re: [MBZ] Shop Manual

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

As a matter of fact, if you drill down into the M117 engine link they have it’s 
really the whole engine and chassis manual:

https://www.tonk.ca/Index/117.5index.html

-D

On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

This site looks promising:

https://www.tonk.ca/Main.html

-D

On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:38 PM, Dwight Giles 
mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I will try again. Books4Cars has the 200.00 one
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
I think they may be online. Have you Googled?

-D

On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I found
one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
Thanks,
Dwight


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Re: [MBZ] Shop Manual

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This site looks promising:

https://www.tonk.ca/Main.html

-D

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mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I will try again. Books4Cars has the 200.00 one
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
I think they may be online. Have you Googled?

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I found
> one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
> Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
> Thanks,
> Dwight
>
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Re: [MBZ] Shop Manual

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I will try again. Books4Cars has the 200.00 one
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 5:35 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think they may be online. Have you Googled?
>
> -D
>
> > On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I
> found
> > one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
> > Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
> > Thanks,
> > Dwight
> >
> >
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] Shop Manual

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I think they may be online. Have you Googled?

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 5:31 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I found
> one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
> Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
> Thanks,
> Dwight
> 
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[MBZ] Shop Manual

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ideas where I can find a R107 1989 560SL shop manual for my nephew? I found
one on flea bay for $200. Is that the going rate?
Put Sept 10 in your calendar. ChowdahQ XV
Thanks,
Dwight


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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Most 4 post lifts have some sort of additional lifting magic to pick up on the 
frame to allow other work.I'm a fan of the Wildfire lifts, they have a sliding 
air jack that can travel the length of the lift and pick stuff up. I really 
like that the whole lift can be picked up and repositioned easily. My someday 
plans include one for the big barn up north.
Curt

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  On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 3:38 PM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes wrote:   My brother in law has a neighbor who 
is a big Ford fanatic. He’s got a couple of Mustangs that he parks on the four 
post parking lifts in his garage. It’s a pretty nice setup although using one 
for servicing a vehicle precludes the ability to do anything with the wheels or 
suspension, since they’re a “drive on” lift. I’m not sure it’s that big of a 
deal, but I can see where it would be a compromise.

Having the additional parking/storage space would be nice, however.

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different extension 
> heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  They have an 
> extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can get a tall vehicle 
> up higher but obviously you would need a higher rafter height too. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/
> 
> The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.
> 
> Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted from 
> 3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits
> 
> They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting height.  
> You can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another car under 
> them), and they have a jack tray so you can lift the car up and take off 
> wheels too so that would be handy but would not be as flexible as a 2-post. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/  I guess that is a standard option 
> for these 4-posts.
> 
> Clearly one would need both kinds!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but 
>> could be higher if you use the provided extensions.
>> 
>> https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for 
>>> me to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it 
>>> off the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the 
>>> lift heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or the 
>>> top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle is.  
>>> There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall 
>>> vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift 
>>> height which would mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban 
>>> sits at least 6ft high (and a few more inches) but that is sitting on the 
>>> tires.
>>> 
>>> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
>>> aspect.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 
 12 plus feet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] Loads of new and some used parts Mercedes Benz Parts Lot Wholesale, $1, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that is what I was thinking too.  Other than the air shock it's 
nothing too exciting.  Maybe there are some ponies in there but it would 
likely be for some random car.


--FT

On 2/15/22 4:45 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I saw that this morning. It’s about 45 minutes away from me, but the pictures 
suck and don’t really give you any idea of what’s there other than an Arnott 
air shock and a bunch of filters.

I don’t think there’s $1500 worth of stuff there.

-D


On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

He's got a lot of random stuff

Loads of new and some used parts from our recently closed Mercedes Benz repair 
facility. Unorganized, I don’t have an inventory, don’t ask. If you look at the 
photos you can see I’m asking for Pennie’s on the dollar. The only catch, I 
want it gone THIS WEEK. If you want it all and have the capability to get it 
message me for address. Located in Lakeland FL. FCFS. Thanks

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603

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Re: [MBZ] Loads of new and some used parts Mercedes Benz Parts Lot Wholesale, $1, 500

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I saw that this morning. It’s about 45 minutes away from me, but the pictures 
suck and don’t really give you any idea of what’s there other than an Arnott 
air shock and a bunch of filters.

I don’t think there’s $1500 worth of stuff there.

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 4:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> He's got a lot of random stuff
> 
> Loads of new and some used parts from our recently closed Mercedes Benz 
> repair facility. Unorganized, I don’t have an inventory, don’t ask. If you 
> look at the photos you can see I’m asking for Pennie’s on the dollar. The 
> only catch, I want it gone THIS WEEK. If you want it all and have the 
> capability to get it message me for address. Located in Lakeland FL. FCFS. 
> Thanks
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603
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[MBZ] Loads of new and some used parts Mercedes Benz Parts Lot Wholesale, $1, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

He's got a lot of random stuff

Loads of new and some used parts from our recently closed Mercedes Benz 
repair facility. Unorganized, I don’t have an inventory, don’t ask. If 
you look at the photos you can see I’m asking for Pennie’s on the 
dollar. The only catch, I want it gone THIS WEEK. If you want it all and 
have the capability to get it message me for address. Located in 
Lakeland FL. FCFS. Thanks


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/106181149412603

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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

My $500 99E300 had a completely buggered up intake manifold and jammed 
EGR, ran like sh*t.  An afternoon of cleaning got it running great.  Was 
a fairly easy job on that car though.


--FT

On 2/15/22 2:46 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

More an effect of emissions controls. In particular EGR. EGR reduces NOX emissions in 
diesels, but it makes a mess of the intake manifold. In manifolds with movable flaps, 
things get "interesting".


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

Is the soot the result of not driving it hard enough? Short trips, in
town etc.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

These 4-posts have an optional tray that sits either end on the ramps 
and slides along forward and back, you can put a jack on a crossmember 
or diff then jack up the car and drop it onto jackstands and remove 
wheels. They have a scissor lift made for it but a bottle jack or 
smaller floor jack would work too (if you could get the pump handle in 
there).  Makes them quite versatile for storage and servicing (not ideal 
but pretty good and fairly safe as the car isn't going to drop on you).  
And since you can move it up and down you could do a trans/engine drop 
from below too.  The ramps are still in the way to some extent but for a 
lot of jobs would not be an issue.  And you can put casters on them too 
to move the whole thing around (sans car) so that gives some additional 
space utilization flexibility as they are not fixed in place like a 2-post.


https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/

--FT

On 2/15/22 3:37 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

My brother in law has a neighbor who is a big Ford fanatic. He’s got a couple 
of Mustangs that he parks on the four post parking lifts in his garage. It’s a 
pretty nice setup although using one for servicing a vehicle precludes the 
ability to do anything with the wheels or suspension, since they’re a “drive 
on” lift. I’m not sure it’s that big of a deal, but I can see where it would be 
a compromise.

Having the additional parking/storage space would be nice, however.

-D


On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different extension 
heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  They have an 
extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can get a tall vehicle 
up higher but obviously you would need a higher rafter height 
too.https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/

The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.

Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted from 
3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits

They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting height.  You 
can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another car under them), and they have a 
jack tray so you can lift the car up and take off wheels too so that would be handy but would 
not be as flexible as a 2-post.https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/   I guess that is a 
standard option for these 4-posts.

Clearly one would need both kinds!

--FT

On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but could 
be higher if you use the provided extensions.

https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
 wrote:

Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for me to walk without 
banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it off the ground (the underside anyway) 
at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the lift heights specs but not sure if that is the 
bottom of the arms or the top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the 
vehicle is.  There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall 
vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift height which would mean 
the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban sits at least 6ft high (and a few more 
inches) but that is sitting on the tires.

I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that aspect.

--FT


On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
plus feet.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Some 4 posts have the option to remove wheel and jack up from the ramp but you 
still have the ramp in the way. 4 post also takes up more real estate in the 
garage so it wasn’t an option for me but I can see the appeal.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:38 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My brother in law has a neighbor who is a big Ford fanatic. He’s got a 
> couple of Mustangs that he parks on the four post parking lifts in his 
> garage. It’s a pretty nice setup although using one for servicing a vehicle 
> precludes the ability to do anything with the wheels or suspension, since 
> they’re a “drive on” lift. I’m not sure it’s that big of a deal, but I can 
> see where it would be a compromise.
> 
> Having the additional parking/storage space would be nice, however.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different extension 
>> heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  They have an 
>> extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can get a tall 
>> vehicle up higher but obviously you would need a higher rafter height too. 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/
>> 
>> The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.
>> 
>> Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted 
>> from 3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits
>> 
>> They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting height.  
>> You can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another car under 
>> them), and they have a jack tray so you can lift the car up and take off 
>> wheels too so that would be handy but would not be as flexible as a 2-post. 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/  I guess that is a standard option 
>> for these 4-posts.
>> 
>> Clearly one would need both kinds!
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but 
>>> could be higher if you use the provided extensions.
>>> 
>>> https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for 
 me to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting 
 it off the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see 
 the lift heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or 
 the top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle 
 is.  There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a 
 tall vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that 
 lift height which would mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My 
 suburban sits at least 6ft high (and a few more inches) but that is 
 sitting on the tires.
 
 I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
 aspect.
 
 --FT
 
> On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
> Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 
> 12 plus feet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I had two former mechanics retire who were donating lifts. Just had to 
uninstall them and transport and reinstall in my garage. I looked into it and 
it wasn’t worth it for me mostly because I didn’t have the equipment and 
knowledge to remove, move and re-install. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
>> aspect.
> 
> 
> Perhaps a morbid observation, but with retiring mechanics, and independent 
> auto shops closing, you may want to check estate auctions near you for lifts. 
> I have seen several sold recently, fairly cheap. I currently don't have room 
> for one.
> Next year.
> 
> 
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[MBZ] Off-road adventure 2007 Hummer H3 Sport Utility 4D,$1,234

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

oops

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/271852881595864

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

My brother in law has a neighbor who is a big Ford fanatic. He’s got a couple 
of Mustangs that he parks on the four post parking lifts in his garage. It’s a 
pretty nice setup although using one for servicing a vehicle precludes the 
ability to do anything with the wheels or suspension, since they’re a “drive 
on” lift. I’m not sure it’s that big of a deal, but I can see where it would be 
a compromise.

Having the additional parking/storage space would be nice, however.

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 3:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different extension 
> heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  They have an 
> extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can get a tall vehicle 
> up higher but obviously you would need a higher rafter height too. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/
> 
> The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.
> 
> Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted from 
> 3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits
> 
> They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting height.  
> You can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another car under 
> them), and they have a jack tray so you can lift the car up and take off 
> wheels too so that would be handy but would not be as flexible as a 2-post. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/  I guess that is a standard option 
> for these 4-posts.
> 
> Clearly one would need both kinds!
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but 
>> could be higher if you use the provided extensions.
>> 
>> https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for 
>>> me to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it 
>>> off the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the 
>>> lift heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or the 
>>> top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle is.  
>>> There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall 
>>> vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift 
>>> height which would mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban 
>>> sits at least 6ft high (and a few more inches) but that is sitting on the 
>>> tires.
>>> 
>>> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
>>> aspect.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 
 12 plus feet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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[MBZ] 1972 Mercedes-Benz C-Class C 250 Coupe 2D,$8,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Seller's Description

Facebook won't let me post the correct model type. This is a 1972 
Mercedes 250C W114. It has the 2.5L(M114) with a twin Weber carb. I also 
have the OEM Zenith carb in the trunk if wanted to make factory spec. 
This is a rare car. Only 67.048 coupés were made from 1969 to 1976 
against 1,852,008 saloons. Of these 24,669 were "280CE" and 42,379 
"250CE" worldwide. This car comes equipped with an automatic 
transmission with the hard to find column shifter rather than the center 
shifter. It is a four speed automatic. When I got the car it didn't even 
run or drive. The engine wasn't working and the transmission was dead. 
It has been garaged kept since owning it and now it is running and 
driving; but unfortunately haven't had time to restore the body. All 
electrics work fine, all four windows are powered and work. The car has 
some body rust in the lower panels and will need restoring. Comes with a 
clean title, W114 manuals, 2 sets of rims(rare chrome monoblocks rims 
and the OEM caps and tires like the last example picture shown)


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[MBZ] Needs transmission and battery, everything else is fine 2006 Mercedes-Benz CLK-Class CLK 350 Coupe 2D, $2, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

hmmm how about that engine?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/473627727753129

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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Strong work!


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

Well all I am in the process of trying to change the seals on my Ml 350 BT. I 
am getting a good feel for why this is such and expensive repair job with 
limited access and the number of parts that need to be removed. In the process 
I have had to remove the air control assembly that delivers the intercooled air 
to the intake manifold. There is a larger amount of soot buildup the second 
photo came from the inlet of the intake manifold that I could reach and haven’t 
touched the assembly that is shown in photo 1. I did see some oil in the inlet 
to the turbo intake side as well as the transferee tube to the intercooler. May 
just replace crankcase ventilation valve while I have things apart. The 
exterior of this valve is quite oily. Car has about 87K miles on it. I have 
three more screws to remove before I can remove the turbo, one of which I can 
not see.

Will try and give an update in a day or two.

Bob Massmann
2012 ML350 BT 87K
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that aspect.


Perhaps a morbid observation, but with retiring mechanics, and independent auto 
shops closing, you may want to check estate auctions near you for lifts. I have 
seen several sold recently, fairly cheap. I currently don't have room for one.
Next year.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I was looking at those also but couldn’t get one when I wanted, none were 
available. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different extension 
> heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  They have an 
> extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can get a tall vehicle 
> up higher but obviously you would need a higher rafter height too. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/
> 
> The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.
> 
> Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted from 
> 3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits
> 
> They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting height.  
> You can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another car under 
> them), and they have a jack tray so you can lift the car up and take off 
> wheels too so that would be handy but would not be as flexible as a 2-post. 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/  I guess that is a standard option 
> for these 4-posts.
> 
> Clearly one would need both kinds!
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but 
>> could be higher if you use the provided extensions.
>> 
>> https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for 
>>> me to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it 
>>> off the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the 
>>> lift heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or the 
>>> top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle is.  
>>> There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall 
>>> vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift 
>>> height which would mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban 
>>> sits at least 6ft high (and a few more inches) but that is sitting on the 
>>> tires.
>>> 
>>> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
>>> aspect.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
 Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 
 12 plus feet.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah I was looking at those AMGO 2-posts and they have 3 different 
extension heights for the lift pads that will give up to another 5in.  
They have an extension for the bar that connects the top too so you can 
get a tall vehicle up higher but obviously you would need a higher 
rafter height too. https://www.amgohyd.com/product/oh-9-two-post-lift/


The stackable rubber pads package with 1.5″, 2.5″, 5″ extension adapters.

Optional Height Extension Kits With this kits,the height can be adjusted 
from 3821mm(150 1/2″)to 4431mm(174 1/2″) Kits


They have 4-post "parking" lifts too that have up to 85.5" lifting 
height.  You can work on stuff under the car on those (and park another 
car under them), and they have a jack tray so you can lift the car up 
and take off wheels too so that would be handy but would not be as 
flexible as a 2-post. https://www.amgohyd.com/product/408-hp/  I guess 
that is a standard option for these 4-posts.


Clearly one would need both kinds!

--FT

On 2/15/22 2:54 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but could 
be higher if you use the provided extensions.

https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for me to walk without 
banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it off the ground (the underside anyway) 
at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the lift heights specs but not sure if that is the 
bottom of the arms or the top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the 
vehicle is.  There are some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall 
vehicle like a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift height which would mean 
the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban sits at least 6ft high (and a few more 
inches) but that is sitting on the tires.

I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that aspect.

--FT


On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
plus feet.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m 6’1 and can easily walk under my lift with plenty of room to spare. My 
problem is my neck is so stiff I’m having problems looking straight up and 
whatever I need to see. I may have to lower the car and sit in a chair I can 
lower back in. 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for me 
> to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it off 
> the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the lift 
> heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or the top of 
> the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle is.  There are 
> some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall vehicle like 
> a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift height which would 
> mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban sits at least 6ft 
> high (and a few more inches) but that is sitting on the tires.
> 
> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that aspect.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
>> plus feet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Bottom of lift arm is 72” from floor. Top of lift pad minimum is 75.5 but could 
be higher if you use the provided extensions. 

https://mohawklifts.com/library/spec_docs/System-1A_spec.doc

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:40 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car for me 
> to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means getting it off 
> the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 76").  I see the lift 
> heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom of the arms or the top of 
> the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the bottom of the vehicle is.  There are 
> some that will go to 80" or more, which means if you have a tall vehicle like 
> a truck you would need another 6' or more above that lift height which would 
> mean the bottom of your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban sits at least 6ft 
> high (and a few more inches) but that is sitting on the tires.
> 
> I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that aspect.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:
>> Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
>> plus feet.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

More an effect of emissions controls. In particular EGR. EGR reduces NOX 
emissions in diesels, but it makes a mess of the intake manifold. In manifolds 
with movable flaps, things get "interesting".


Rick

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

Is the soot the result of not driving it hard enough? Short trips, in
town etc.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Since I am tall I would like a lift that gets enough room under a car 
for me to walk without banging my head or stooping over, which means 
getting it off the ground (the underside anyway) at least 78" (I am 
76").  I see the lift heights specs but not sure if that is the bottom 
of the arms or the top of the pads on the arms, i.e., how high the 
bottom of the vehicle is.  There are some that will go to 80" or more, 
which means if you have a tall vehicle like a truck you would need 
another 6' or more above that lift height which would mean the bottom of 
your rafters like 13ft.  My suburban sits at least 6ft high (and a few 
more inches) but that is sitting on the tires.


I guess when I get ready to acquire one I will have to check into that 
aspect.


--FT

On 2/15/22 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes wrote:

Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
plus feet.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yeah I’m still pretty nervous using it. 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:54 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It’s all about procedures, man. Doing the same thing, over and over and 
> over, without change. When you’re done with your work, you go through the 
> checklist line by line.
> 
> Just like flying. No shortcuts or you get hurt or die.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I really don’t know how you could forget that but I suppose anything is 
>> possible. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Be careful with the stands. I hear that people have forgotten to remove 
>>> them and lowered car with stands in place. The results were disastrous to 
>>> say the least. One guy had one stand in place and didn’t engage locks. He 
>>> accidentally nudged the release lever and the car fell off lift.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Mine will move a little bit but feels solid and not like it’s going to 
 fall off. After I get it in the air I always put a tall safety stand at 
 the front and back just to be sure. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel 
> balanced. Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact 
> science. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you 
>> push the front or rear up or down? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull 
>>> car in more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you 
>>> lift car a short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy 
>>> before you continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in 
>>> a truck etc can affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an 
>>> engine or rear axle. Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align 
>>> column up to around the a pillar ( this allows more room to open door) 
>>> with symmetrical you pull in closer to b pillar but somewhere between a 
>>> and b pillar. This leaves less room to open door. Mohawk now only makes 
>>> symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able to get one of their last asymmetrical 
>>> lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and so I got the symmetrical) but their 
>>> columns are spaced out further away from each other than other lifts 
>>> leaving more room to open doors.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important 
 that the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is 
 balanced front to back. The two steel posts can easily support the 
 weight straight down, but if the car isn't balanced there will be a 
 torque on the posts as the car wants to fall forwards or backwards, 
 and you are relying on the floor bolts and the concrete to support 
 that.
 
 I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating 
 that the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
 
 
 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty 
> big.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. 
> All 
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. 
> Nussbaum 
> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their 
>> prices are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for 
>> cheaper if you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below 
>> gives opportunity to pick up at the factory
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>> 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>> 
>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems

Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That’s true 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:25 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not just let her drive it for a bit? Then it won’t matter when she 
> wrecks it.
> 
> 
> 
> -D
> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> 
> The wife’s R320 has been sitting for 2 years waiting on me to work up the 
> nerve to do this job.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Well all I am in the process of trying to change the seals on my Ml 350 BT. 
>> I am getting a good feel for why this is such and expensive repair job with 
>> limited access and the number of parts that need to be removed. In the 
>> process I have had to remove the air control assembly that delivers the 
>> intercooled air to the intake manifold. There is a larger amount of soot 
>> buildup the second photo came from the inlet of the intake manifold that I 
>> could reach and haven’t touched the assembly that is shown in photo 1. I did 
>> see some oil in the inlet to the turbo intake side as well as the transferee 
>> tube to the intercooler. May just replace crankcase ventilation valve while 
>> I have things apart. The exterior of this valve is quite oily. Car has about 
>> 87K miles on it. I have three more screws to remove before I can remove the 
>> turbo, one of which I can not see.
>> 
>> Will try and give an update in a day or two.
>> 
>> Bob Massmann
>> 2012 ML350 BT 87K
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It’s all about procedures, man. Doing the same thing, over and over and over, 
without change. When you’re done with your work, you go through the checklist 
line by line.

Just like flying. No shortcuts or you get hurt or die.

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:26 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I really don’t know how you could forget that but I suppose anything is 
> possible. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Be careful with the stands. I hear that people have forgotten to remove 
>> them and lowered car with stands in place. The results were disastrous to 
>> say the least. One guy had one stand in place and didn’t engage locks. He 
>> accidentally nudged the release lever and the car fell off lift.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mine will move a little bit but feels solid and not like it’s going to 
>>> fall off. After I get it in the air I always put a tall safety stand at the 
>>> front and back just to be sure. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel 
 balanced. Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact 
 science. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you 
> push the front or rear up or down? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull 
>> car in more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift 
>> car a short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy 
>> before you continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in a 
>> truck etc can affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an 
>> engine or rear axle. Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align column 
>> up to around the a pillar ( this allows more room to open door) with 
>> symmetrical you pull in closer to b pillar but somewhere between a and b 
>> pillar. This leaves less room to open door. Mohawk now only makes 
>> symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able to get one of their last asymmetrical 
>> lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and so I got the symmetrical) but their 
>> columns are spaced out further away from each other than other lifts 
>> leaving more room to open doors.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important 
>>> that the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced 
>>> front to back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight 
>>> straight down, but if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on 
>>> the posts as the car wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are 
>>> relying on the floor bolts and the concrete to support that.
>>> 
>>> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating 
>>> that the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty 
 big.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
 Mercedes  wrote: 
 
 
 The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. 
 All 
 three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
 and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices 
> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper 
> if you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives 
> opportunity to pick up at the factory
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> 
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> 
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I really don’t know how you could forget that but I suppose anything is 
possible. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Be careful with the stands. I hear that people have forgotten to remove them 
> and lowered car with stands in place. The results were disastrous to say the 
> least. One guy had one stand in place and didn’t engage locks. He 
> accidentally nudged the release lever and the car fell off lift.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mine will move a little bit but feels solid and not like it’s going to fall 
>> off. After I get it in the air I always put a tall safety stand at the front 
>> and back just to be sure. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel 
>>> balanced. Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact 
>>> science. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you 
 push the front or rear up or down? 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car 
> in more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car 
> a short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you 
> continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc 
> can affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear 
> axle. Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align column up to around 
> the a pillar ( this allows more room to open door) with symmetrical you 
> pull in closer to b pillar but somewhere between a and b pillar. This 
> leaves less room to open door. Mohawk now only makes symmetrical lifts 
> (Jaime was able to get one of their last asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t 
> make the cutoff and so I got the symmetrical) but their columns are 
> spaced out further away from each other than other lifts leaving more 
> room to open doors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that 
>> the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front 
>> to back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight 
>> down, but if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts 
>> as the car wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on 
>> the floor bolts and the concrete to support that.
>> 
>> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating 
>> that the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty 
>>> big.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
>>> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices 
 are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper 
 if you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives 
 opportunity to pick up at the factory
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
 
 https://www.amgohyd.com/
 
 Prices are not unreasonable it seems
 
 https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Why not just let her drive it for a bit? Then it won’t matter when she wrecks 
it.



-D

On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

The wife’s R320 has been sitting for 2 years waiting on me to work up the nerve 
to do this job.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Well all I am in the process of trying to change the seals on my Ml 350 BT. 
> I am getting a good feel for why this is such and expensive repair job with 
> limited access and the number of parts that need to be removed. In the 
> process I have had to remove the air control assembly that delivers the 
> intercooled air to the intake manifold. There is a larger amount of soot 
> buildup the second photo came from the inlet of the intake manifold that I 
> could reach and haven’t touched the assembly that is shown in photo 1. I did 
> see some oil in the inlet to the turbo intake side as well as the transferee 
> tube to the intercooler. May just replace crankcase ventilation valve while I 
> have things apart. The exterior of this valve is quite oily. Car has about 
> 87K miles on it. I have three more screws to remove before I can remove the 
> turbo, one of which I can not see.
>
> Will try and give an update in a day or two.
>
> Bob Massmann
> 2012 ML350 BT 87K


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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Be careful with the stands. I hear that people have forgotten to remove them 
and lowered car with stands in place. The results were disastrous to say the 
least. One guy had one stand in place and didn’t engage locks. He accidentally 
nudged the release lever and the car fell off lift.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine will move a little bit but feels solid and not like it’s going to fall 
> off. After I get it in the air I always put a tall safety stand at the front 
> and back just to be sure. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel 
>> balanced. Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact science. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you 
>>> push the front or rear up or down? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car 
 in more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car a 
 short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you 
 continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc 
 can affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear 
 axle. Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align column up to around the 
 a pillar ( this allows more room to open door) with symmetrical you pull 
 in closer to b pillar but somewhere between a and b pillar. This leaves 
 less room to open door. Mohawk now only makes symmetrical lifts (Jaime was 
 able to get one of their last asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff 
 and so I got the symmetrical) but their columns are spaced out further 
 away from each other than other lifts leaving more room to open doors.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that 
> the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front 
> to back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, 
> but if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the 
> car wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor 
> bolts and the concrete to support that.
> 
> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating 
> that the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty 
>> big.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
>> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices 
>>> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if 
>>> you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives 
>>> opportunity to pick up at the factory
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>>> 
>>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>>> 
>>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>>> 
>>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Mine will move a little bit but feels solid and not like it’s going to fall 
off. After I get it in the air I always put a tall safety stand at the front 
and back just to be sure. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel 
> balanced. Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact science. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you push 
>> the front or rear up or down? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car 
>>> in more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car a 
>>> short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you 
>>> continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc can 
>>> affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear axle. 
>>> Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align column up to around the a 
>>> pillar ( this allows more room to open door) with symmetrical you pull in 
>>> closer to b pillar but somewhere between a and b pillar. This leaves less 
>>> room to open door. Mohawk now only makes symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able 
>>> to get one of their last asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and 
>>> so I got the symmetrical) but their columns are spaced out further away 
>>> from each other than other lifts leaving more room to open doors.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that 
 the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front 
 to back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, 
 but if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the 
 car wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor 
 bolts and the concrete to support that.
 
 I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating 
 that the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
 
 
 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
> 
> 
> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices 
>> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if 
>> you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives 
>> opportunity to pick up at the factory
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>> 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>> 
>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>> 
>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I don’t know. I have only done this a couple of times. It should feel balanced. 
Not be more tippy one end vs the other. It’s not an exact science. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 1:04 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you push 
> the front or rear up or down? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car in 
>> more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car a 
>> short distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you 
>> continue to raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc can 
>> affect the center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear axle. 
>> Asymmetrical design and you pull in to align column up to around the a 
>> pillar ( this allows more room to open door) with symmetrical you pull in 
>> closer to b pillar but somewhere between a and b pillar. This leaves less 
>> room to open door. Mohawk now only makes symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able 
>> to get one of their last asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and so 
>> I got the symmetrical) but their columns are spaced out further away from 
>> each other than other lifts leaving more room to open doors.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that 
>>> the lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front to 
>>> back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, but 
>>> if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the car 
>>> wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor bolts 
>>> and the concrete to support that.
>>> 
>>> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating that 
>>> the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
 Mercedes  wrote: 
 
 
 The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
 three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
 and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you 
> go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to 
> pick up at the factory
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> 
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> 
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

With a car properly center on your lift how much does it move when you push the 
front or rear up or down? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:45 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car in 
> more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car a short 
> distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you continue to 
> raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc can affect the 
> center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear axle. Asymmetrical 
> design and you pull in to align column up to around the a pillar ( this 
> allows more room to open door) with symmetrical you pull in closer to b 
> pillar but somewhere between a and b pillar. This leaves less room to open 
> door. Mohawk now only makes symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able to get one of 
> their last asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and so I got the 
> symmetrical) but their columns are spaced out further away from each other 
> than other lifts leaving more room to open doors.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that the 
>> lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front to 
>> back. The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, but 
>> if the car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the car 
>> wants to fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor bolts 
>> and the concrete to support that.
>> 
>> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating that 
>> the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
>>> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
 pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
 pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to 
 pick up at the factory
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
 
 https://www.amgohyd.com/
 
 Prices are not unreasonable it seems
 
 https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I think about everybody around me has Rotary. Seems like for parts and service 
you'd kind of want what everybody else has.

The average home gamer isn't going to ever wear one out I don't think...

-Curt

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 12:26:26 PM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote: 





Interesting and the bendpak does seem more stout but bendpak perhaps not 
comparing apples to apples. They are definitely being dishonest with regard to 
arm extension as rotary also has 3 stage arm option. Dealers in Maine told me 
that bendpak gets more repair calls than rotary and I don’t believe bendpak is 
made in the USA but I could be wrong. If you want stout the Mohawk is leaps and 
bounds stronger than the others. Carriages slide on fork lift mass not bent 
sheetmetal and ride on steel wheels not plastic slides. US military uses 
Mohawk. 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:08 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
> BendPak:
> 
> https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
>> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
>> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
>> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
>> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
>> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
>> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
>> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
>> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
>> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
>> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
>> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
>> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
>> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
>> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>> 
>> 
>> And:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
>> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
>> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
>> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
>> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
>> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
>> concern.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

My Chinese a plus lift works just fine and I see no concerns with quality 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor and 
> the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself since you 
> can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
>> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>>> up at the factory
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>>> 
>>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>>> 
>>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>>> 
>>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Depending upon whether lift is symmetrical or asymmetrical, you pull car in 
more forward or not. Either way, the requirement is that you lift car a short 
distance and rock both ends to determine if it’s tippy before you continue to 
raise to full height. Things such as payload in a truck etc can affect the 
center of gravity as does the removal of an engine or rear axle. Asymmetrical 
design and you pull in to align column up to around the a pillar ( this allows 
more room to open door) with symmetrical you pull in closer to b pillar but 
somewhere between a and b pillar. This leaves less room to open door. Mohawk 
now only makes symmetrical lifts (Jaime was able to get one of their last 
asymmetrical lifts, I didn’t make the cutoff and so I got the symmetrical) but 
their columns are spaced out further away from each other than other lifts 
leaving more room to open doors.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:18 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that the 
> lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front to back. 
> The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, but if the 
> car isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the car wants to 
> fall forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor bolts and the 
> concrete to support that.
> 
> I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating that 
> the load is too far out of balance. Or do they?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> Mercedes  wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
>> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>>> up at the factory
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>>> 
>>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>>> 
>>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>>> 
>>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Look at Mohawk columns compared to bendpak or rotary. This was during install 
of my lift.



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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:08 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
> BendPak:
> 
> https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
>> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
>> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
>> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
>> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
>> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
>> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
>> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
>> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
>> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
>> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
>> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
>> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
>> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
>> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>> 
>> 
>> And:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
>> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
>> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
>> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
>> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
>> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
>> concern.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Interesting and the bendpak does seem more stout but bendpak perhaps not 
comparing apples to apples. They are definitely being dishonest with regard to 
arm extension as rotary also has 3 stage arm option. Dealers in Maine told me 
that bendpak gets more repair calls than rotary and I don’t believe bendpak is 
made in the USA but I could be wrong. If you want stout the Mohawk is leaps and 
bounds stronger than the others. Carriages slide on fork lift mass not bent 
sheetmetal and ride on steel wheels not plastic slides. US military uses 
Mohawk. 

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:08 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
> BendPak:
> 
> https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
>> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
>> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
>> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
>> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
>> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
>> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
>> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
>> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
>> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
>> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
>> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
>> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
>> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
>> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>> 
>> 
>> And:
>> 
>> 
>> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
>> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
>> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
>> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
>> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
>> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
>> concern.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Heh. I can’t look now, I’ve been spending money there to excess. Gotta throttle 
back a bit, but in the near future I might consider it. I’ll be out there next 
week so I’ll check the rafter height.

Thanks!

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:12 PM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
> plus feet.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:06 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I wish the joists/rafters in my Flagstaff garage were a little higher. I 
>> could get a lift in there if they were. The day might come when I consider 
>> raising the roof, literally. No way I could do it at the Florida house.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift 
>>> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift 
>>> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the 
>>> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor 
 and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself 
 since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
 
 Randy
 
 
> On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices 
>> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if 
>> you go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives 
>> opportunity to pick up at the factory
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>> 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>> 
>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>> 
>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

It seems to me that with a 2-post lift it is going to be important that the 
lift arms are placed so that the weight of the car is balanced front to back. 
The two steel posts can easily support the weight straight down, but if the car 
isn't balanced there will be a torque on the posts as the car wants to fall 
forwards or backwards, and you are relying on the floor bolts and the concrete 
to support that.

I am surprised that the better lifts don't have some way of indicating that the 
load is too far out of balance. Or do they?



On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>
> -Curt
>
> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
> Mercedes  wrote: 
>
>
> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum 
> and Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>> up at the factory
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>> 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>> 
>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>> 
>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Did you see the Mohawk requirements? I think it’s under 10 ft. Others are 12 
plus feet.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 12:06 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I wish the joists/rafters in my Flagstaff garage were a little higher. I 
> could get a lift in there if they were. The day might come when I consider 
> raising the roof, literally. No way I could do it at the Florida house.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift 
>> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift 
>> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the 
>> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor 
>>> and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself 
>>> since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
 On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
 I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
 
 -Curt
 
 On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
 Mercedes  wrote:
 
 
 The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
 three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
 Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> 
> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you 
> go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to 
> pick up at the factory
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> 
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> 
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Interesting comparison, although not exactly impartial, between Rotary and
BendPak:

 https://www.bendpak.com/a-study-in-lift-design/two-post-lift-comparison/

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, Dimitri wrote:

>
> Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe.
> There is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them.
> They have the most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in
> the Otto series. Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost
> did as well but I couldn?t find an installer in Maine familiar with
> Nussbaum so I opted for a Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift
> but costs a small fortune. My brother went in on it with me to help with
> the cost. Rotary is the mainstream lift that most dealers use, has the
> widest dealer network but is not as interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn?t
> have the same degree of arm articulation. Personally, I think a Mohawk with
> the least amount of arm extension options is just fine. It?s built like a
> tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 as maintenance. Yes
> factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and forget about it.
> No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to replace as with
> rotary, Nussbaum and all others.
>
>
> And:
>
>
> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift
> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift
> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the
> other currently available 2 post lifts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete
> floor and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist
> itself since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause
> concern.
> >
> > Randy
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I wish the joists/rafters in my Flagstaff garage were a little higher. I could 
get a lift in there if they were. The day might come when I consider raising 
the roof, literally. No way I could do it at the Florida house.

-D

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift 
> columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift 
> manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the 
> other currently available 2 post lifts.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor 
>> and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself 
>> since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>>> 
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>>> Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
>>> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 
 I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
 pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
 pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to 
 pick up at the factory
 
 https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
 
 https://www.amgohyd.com/
 
 Prices are not unreasonable it seems
 
 https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Yes concrete needs to be at least 4 inches thick with no cracks and lift 
columns must be 4-8 inches away from control joints depending on lift 
manufacturer specs. Mohawk btw requires lowest ceiling clearance of all the 
other currently available 2 post lifts.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor and 
> the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself since you 
> can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
>> On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via 
>> Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
>> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>>> up at the factory
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>>> 
>>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>>> 
>>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>>> 
>>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Nussbaum is a German company but their US line is made in NC I believe. There 
is a contact, Peter Engel who is an MB enthusiast who sells them. They have the 
most flexibility with articulated rear arms as an option in the Otto series. 
Pierre Hedary bought his Nussbaum from Peter and I almost did as well but I 
couldn’t find an installer in Maine familiar with Nussbaum so I opted for a 
Mohawk. Mohawk is the most robust forever lift but costs a small fortune. My 
brother went in on it with me to help with the cost. Rotary is the mainstream 
lift that most dealers use, has the widest dealer network but is not as 
interesting as a Nussbaum and doesn’t have the same degree of arm articulation. 
Personally, I think a Mohawk with the least amount of arm extension options is 
just fine. It’s built like a tank and only needs periodic spray down with wd40 
as maintenance. Yes factory manual specifically says wd40!  You install it and 
forget about it. No cables to adjust or plastic carriage slider blocks to 
replace as with rotary, Nussbaum and all others. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ll check those out too
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
>> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
>> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>>> up at the factory
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>>> 
>>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>>> 
>>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>>> 
>>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] What happened to my trailer?

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

What does the other side look like? Are there actually rivets or is it 
just glued on? One would think both sides should be the same.
Assuming they are rivets, are they pop rivets? Are they aluminum? Did 
they corrode underneath?


Randy

On 14/02/2022 5:35 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

A couple of weeks ago I went up to Nebraska to pickup that diesel ML from 
copart. Stopped overnight in Topeka KS. Came out the next morning to discover 
the passenger side side step diamond plate piece was completely missing. This 
is riveted in place. I sure don’t recall it being loose causing it to maybe 
blow off, and didn’t notice it blowing off while driving. I know for sure it 
was on the trailer when I left Copart. I need to take a closer look but 
wondering if somebody pried it off while it was parked at the hotel. I would 
think if that was the case they would have left marks. If that did happen why 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

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Is the soot the result of not driving it hard enough? Short trips, in 
town etc.


Randy

On 15/02/2022 10:14 AM, Robert Massmann via Mercedes wrote:

Well all I am in the process of trying to change the seals on my Ml 350 BT. I 
am getting a good feel for why this is such and expensive repair job with 
limited access and the number of parts that need to be removed. In the process 
I have had to remove the air control assembly that delivers the intercooled air 
to the intake manifold. There is a larger amount of soot buildup the second 
photo came from the inlet of the intake manifold that I could reach and haven’t 
touched the assembly that is shown in photo 1. I did see some oil in the inlet 
to the turbo intake side as well as the transferee tube to the intercooler. May 
just replace crankcase ventilation valve while I have things apart. The 
exterior of this valve is quite oily. Car has about 87K miles on it. I have 
three more screws to remove before I can remove the turbo, one of which I can 
not see.

Will try and give an update in a day or two.

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Good point.  Weakest link in the chain.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:29 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor
> and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself
> since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> > I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty
> big.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via
> Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and
> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices
> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you
> go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to
> pick up at the factory
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> >>
> >> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> >>
> >> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> >>
> >> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I think I might be more concerned with the quality of the concrete floor 
and the installation of the hoist than I would be with the hoist itself 
since you can at least see it and any issues that might cause concern.


Randy


On 15/02/2022 10:13 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.

-Curt

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote:


The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All three 
made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and Rotary are 
about half price of Mohawk.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go pick up 
whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick up at the factory

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422

https://www.amgohyd.com/

Prices are not unreasonable it seems

https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics

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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I’ll check those out too

--FT
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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 11:05 AM, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All 
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and 
> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
>> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
>> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
>> up at the factory
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>> 
>> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>> 
>> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>> 
>> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Oil Cooler Leak Repair ( 2012 ML350 Bluetec )

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Robert, is this a German or US made Bluetec SUV?

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:15 AM Robert Massmann via Mercedes <
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> Well all I am in the process of trying to change the seals on my Ml 350
> BT. I am getting a good feel for why this is such and expensive repair job
> with limited access and the number of parts that need to be removed. In the
> process I have had to remove the air control assembly that delivers the
> intercooled air to the intake manifold. There is a larger amount of soot
> buildup the second photo came from the inlet of the intake manifold that I
> could reach and haven’t touched the assembly that is shown in photo 1. I
> did see some oil in the inlet to the turbo intake side as well as the
> transferee tube to the intercooler. May just replace crankcase ventilation
> valve while I have things apart. The exterior of this valve is quite oily.
> Car has about 87K miles on it. I have three more screws to remove before I
> can remove the turbo, one of which I can not see.
>
> Will try and give an update in a day or two.
>
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Re: [MBZ] What happened to my trailer?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

I see rivet holes and adhesive. Both were used in my opinion. How it came off 
is a mystery. 

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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 7:50 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Remove the other side and use it as a template. Find a metal supply that
> can match whatever it is, have them shear it to size, THEN, rivet them both
> on, or use self tapping screws.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 5:33 PM OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup - I don't see rivet holes. Rivet the other side one while you still
>> have it.
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:30 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> No rivets, adhesive. It came lose and you loosed it
>>> 
>>> --FT
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 On Feb 14, 2022, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Appears to have been glued in place, so probably was jarred loose
>> during
 travel.
 
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 6:38 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> 
> A couple of weeks ago I went up to Nebraska to pickup that diesel ML
>>> from
> copart. Stopped overnight in Topeka KS. Came out the next morning to
> discover the passenger side side step diamond plate piece was
>> completely
> missing. This is riveted in place. I sure don’t recall it being loose
> causing it to maybe blow off, and didn’t notice it blowing off while
> driving. I know for sure it was on the trailer when I left Copart. I
>>> need
> to take a closer look but wondering if somebody pried it off while it
>>> was
> parked at the hotel. I would think if that was the case they would
>> have
> left marks. If that did happen why would they steal this and not both
> sides? Strange for sure.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was thinking the same thing, the forces on a 2 post lift are pretty big.

-Curt

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:04:58 AM EST, Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes 
 wrote: 


The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All three 
made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and Rotary are 
about half price of Mohawk.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
> up at the factory
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> 
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> 
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

So what do these cost by comparison?

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 11:05 AM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All
> three made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and
> Rotary are about half price of Mohawk.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices
> are pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you
> go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to
> pick up at the factory
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> >
> > https://www.amgohyd.com/
> >
> > Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> >
> > https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

The only 3 two post lifts I’d touch are Mohawk, Rotary or Nussbaum. All three 
made in USA. Jaime turned me on to Mohawk and Nussbaum. Nussbaum and Rotary are 
about half price of Mohawk.

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> On Feb 15, 2022, at 10:59 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you go 
> pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity to pick 
> up at the factory
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
> 
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
> 
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
> 
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Lifts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

These cost the same or more 4 years ago.

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:59 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are
> pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you
> go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity
> to pick up at the factory
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422
>
> https://www.amgohyd.com/
>
> Prices are not unreasonable it seems
>
> https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics
>
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[MBZ] Lifts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I see this company is "local" (local chinee stuff?) and their prices are 
pretty good.  I wonder if they sell from the factory for cheaper if you 
go pick up whatever you want.  The vendor link below gives opportunity 
to pick up at the factory


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/375098640650422

https://www.amgohyd.com/

Prices are not unreasonable it seems

https://www.mechanicsuperstore.com/brands/amgo-hydraulics

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[MBZ] Over heated send me your offers 1999 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class SLK 230 Roadster 2D, $1, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

   Seller's Description

Over heated send me your offers no water in oil just won’t fire turns over

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2128538243978248

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[MBZ] If this car could talk... 2009 MERCEDES BENZ E350 NO TITLE - $3, 450 (Jefferson)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Lowish miles, looks fairly decent other than the dent, price not 
unreasonable.  i wonder what the story is.


No title you can get a bonded title runs and drives has a little dent on 
top door runs and drives perfect only 100k come get it today


https://athensga.craigslist.org/cto/d/jefferson-2009-mercedes-benz-e350-no/7446006447.html

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[MBZ] Fwd: New e-van to be made in North Charleston tests its cool factor

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

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> 
> 
> New e-van to be made in North Charleston tests its cool factor
> By John McDermott jmcderm...@postandcourier.com
> Published Mon Feb 14, 2022 4:15 PM EST
> Mercedes-Benz is going to extremes to test an all-electric automobile it will 
> make at its North Charleston plant.
> 
> 
> The German automaker last week posted a photograph of its next-generation 
> eSprinter van in northern Sweden near the Arctic Circle. The purpose of the 
> trip was to put the vehicle through the paces to gauge the effects of extreme 
> cold on the engine and power train.
> 
> “Customers place the same demands on battery-electric vans as they do on 
> equivalent vehicles with combustion engines. At the top of the list is 
> complete reliability even in the most difficult weather conditions, because 
> commercial customers depend on their vans not letting them down — even in ice 
> and snow,” the company said.
> 
> “This is why Mercedes-Benz ... tests all of its electric vans in extreme 
> climatic conditions such as snowy and icy roadways, in cutting winds and at 
> temperatures up to negative 30 degrees," it added. "These conditions create 
> real endurance tests both for the vehicle and the team of developers.”
> 
> The company declared the bone-chilling trek to the frigid Arjeplog proving 
> ground, where the high was about 16 degrees Monday, a success.
> 
> “After completing half of the several weeks of planned tests it became clear 
> that the next generation eSprinter defies both ice and snow, extreme 
> temperatures and can handle the most difficult test cycles,” it said.
> 
> Mercedes announced it will build the electrified version of the Sprinter at 
> its North Charleston factory in March. Production for U.S. and Canadian 
> dealers is expected to begin in the second half of 2023. Two factories in 
> Germany will build the vehicle for other markets.
> 
> Parent company Daimler plans to invest $50 million in each site as part of 
> the EV shift. All told, its spending $350 million on the eSprinter program.
> 
> The Sprinter is marking its 27th year of production in 2022. It's one of the 
> most popular commercial vans on the market
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

There is very little speed advantage except at the very high (and very short 
range) frequencies, which also do not penetrate glass or wood or brick/concrete.

I don’t see any real improvement in service any time soon, especially for rural 
areas.  1x was great for actual telephone service, as long as you were at least 
as close as a couple miles you got a strong signal.  I can see the Verizon 
tower from my house and never have more than three bars of signal strength….

5G is mostly marketing, and in an era when we should be reducing electrical 
consumption to reduce greenhouse gases, uses a lot more electricity to run.

Gotta love the toy business, eh?

Peter
> On Feb 15, 2022, at 2:08 AM, fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Curt wrote:
> 
>> T-Mobile also makes a huge thing out of their 5G coverage but is
>> only good for like 1000-1500 ft compared to 4G's 10 MILES.
> 
> As I understand, here are (at least) two parts to 5G.  The mm wave
> that is very short range - but also 600 MHz.  T-mobile got a big
> chunk of the formerly TV spectrum from 614-698 MHz.  And they have
> been investing and building in rural areas with these
> frequencies.  So T-Mobile coverage from 2 years could be quite
> different than now.
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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Anybody want to buy an unlocked SE, XR, or 11 for 80% of what I was 
going to list them for on SWAPPA?


On 2022-02-14 12:04, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:
Yes, my iPhone 4S was what I was using at the time.  The new 
frequencies

require a newer phone, but IIRC there wasn't such a tower on the coast
in question
anyway.  Currently I have an iPhone 8.


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Re: [MBZ] Cell phones

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> Curt wrote:

> T-Mobile also makes a huge thing out of their 5G coverage but is
> only good for like 1000-1500 ft compared to 4G's 10 MILES.

As I understand, here are (at least) two parts to 5G.  The mm wave
that is very short range - but also 600 MHz.  T-mobile got a big
chunk of the formerly TV spectrum from 614-698 MHz.  And they have
been investing and building in rural areas with these
frequencies.  So T-Mobile coverage from 2 years could be quite
different than now.

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